Do you hold high standards for yourself?

[CrazyChik]

Over here they DO care about what uni you go to, if you get the same degree as someone from Cambridge and theirs is from say Bath, things are looking good for you.

 

[chisnpeke]

When you go to get a job, they won't care what school you went to. They care about getting good people who have experience, because no school can teach what it's really like to work in the real world. I suggest doing some good internships and network to get your foot in the door.

I think the only instance that this would apply to is if you get a law degree from maybe an online school and you have someone who got theirs from Harvard law, one of the best in the world. I think most places will look at what you as a person are bringing to their company and not what university you got your degree from.

I have a friend going to a private college for nursing. She is saying "my brain will be worth over $100,000 once I'm done with school." And "because I went to this college I'll be in high demand because of the name the college carries." Uh no, you paid a ridiculous amount of money for a job that is in high need. I think you're pretty stupid myself. You're going to be hired regardless of where you got your degree from.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

Over here they DO care about what uni you go to, if you get the same degree as someone from Cambridge and theirs is from say Bath, things are looking good for you.

I agree

If you take two students, both with the exact same resume and grades, but one went to Harvard and one went to a community college, the kid from Harvard is going to get the job. But if you take a kid that did horrible at Harvard and a kid that did excellent at community college, Im sure the community college kid would win

 

[CrazyChik]

I agree

If you take two students, both with the exact same resume and grades, but one went to Harvard and one went to a community college, the kid from Harvard is going to get the job. But if you take a kid that did horrible at Harvard and a kid that did excellent at community college, Im sure the community college kid would win

Oh and for the record I say this because I know it, not because I think it.
I have plenty of cousins and my parent's have plenty of friend's children going through the uni to job phase.

Also if you do extra-curriculars like sports or debate teams you are more likely to be accepted.

 

[imabrat]

I agree

If you take two students, both with the exact same resume and grades, but one went to Harvard and one went to a community college, the kid from Harvard is going to get the job. But if you take a kid that did horrible at Harvard and a kid that did excellent at community college, Im sure the community college kid would win

Hazzi is from Wales, not the US.

Second, comparing Harvard to community college is like comparing apples and oranges. You don't go to community college to become a lawyer, you do for Harvard. However, there is no difference between the education you get at Harvard and a state law school. None. You use the same text books, you use the same tests, etc. You're paying for a name.

And ya know, if an employer is hireing off a name on a graduation certificate, you probably don't want to be working for them anyway. Jobs in the real world isn't all about book knowledge, it's also street knowledge.
Would you rather hire someone with plenty real-world experience and a Penn State graduation certificate, or someone with 0 real-world experience and a University of Pennsylvania graduation certificate?

 

[MickeyisBeast]

i never studied until my senior year in high school and i still had a 3.89 up until then. certain people just don't have to study in the lower level classes. i definitely suggest studying though, even if you make good grades without it, its helpful to get in the habit of it.

I'm only in Middle School... But, I'm in the advanced-classes. And, like i said, i realize when i get into HS I'm probably gonna have to study to understand everything- but not right now :] It is a good habit though!

 

[BabyPiglet]

Also if you do extra-curriculars like sports or debate teams you are more likely to be accepted.

Well, it's not the same here in the US. I'm in college, and I've applied at plenty to know what they're looking for.

Some of my applications didn't even have a spot for me to share my volunteer experience. They really don't care -- they mostly just care about GPA.

I agree

If you take two students, both with the exact same resume and grades, but one went to Harvard and one went to a community college, the kid from Harvard is going to get the job. But if you take a kid that did horrible at Harvard and a kid that did excellent at community college, Im sure the community college kid would win

And you know this...how? They will want the person who has more experience, and seems like a better person (good social and communication skills, etc).

Besides, a person who goes to community college gets an associates degree or technical certificate. A person goes to Harvard to get a masters and up. They wouldn't be applying for the same job.

And ya know, if an employer is hireing off a name on a graduation certificate, you probably don't want to be working for them anyway. Jobs in the real world isn't all about book knowledge, it's also street knowledge.
Would you rather hire someone with plenty real-world experience and a Penn State graduation certificate, or someone with 0 real-world experience and a University of Pennsylvania graduation certificate?

Yep, experience is what it's all about these days. You can hardly even get a job without any experience.

I'm only in Middle School... But, I'm in the advanced-classes. And, like i said, i realize when i get into HS I'm probably gonna have to study to understand everything- but not right now :] It is a good habit though!

Oh, you'll need to study once you get to college. College professors mostly just lecture, there is no homework or assignments for you to gain better knowledge of the material. It's basically a person standing and talking about a subject for an hour, and then the tests come. You need to study to gain full knowledge of the subject.

 

[MickeyisBeast]

Oh, you'll need to study once you get to college. College professors mostly just lecture, there is no homework or assignments for you to gain better knowledge of the material. It's basically a person standing and talking about a subject for an hour, and then the tests come. You need to study to gain full knowledge of the subject.

Definatly, HS and College are main "studying points"

 

[saratogadreamin09]

Hazzi is from Wales, not the US.

Second, comparing Harvard to community college is like comparing apples and oranges. You don't go to community college to become a lawyer, you do for Harvard. However, there is no difference between the education you get at Harvard and a state law school. None. You use the same text books, you use the same tests, etc. You're paying for a name.

And ya know, if an employer is hireing off a name on a graduation certificate, you probably don't want to be working for them anyway. Jobs in the real world isn't all about book knowledge, it's also street knowledge.
Would you rather hire someone with plenty real-world experience and a Penn State graduation certificate, or someone with 0 real-world experience and a University of Pennsylvania graduation certificate?

Ok, funny you should mention UPenn. Im going to the grduation at Upenn in 2 weeks for my cousin. My point was if you have two people with the EXACT same credentionals, then you might pick the person with the better education.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

I agree

If you take two students, both with the exact same resume and grades, but one went to Harvard and one went to a community college, the kid from Harvard is going to get the job. But if you take a kid that did horrible at Harvard and a kid that did excellent at community college, Im sure the community college kid would win

just want to point out that I said this

 

[BabyPiglet]

Ok, funny you should mention UPenn. Im going to the grduation at Upenn in 2 weeks for my cousin. My point was if you have two people with the EXACT same credentionals, then you might pick the person with the better education.

That's the thing, Harvard doesn't offer a better education. They use the same textbooks and talk about the same things as all the other schools. Once again, you'd just be paying for the name.

I just looked it up and Harvard College (undergrad) costs $33,000 per semester, not including housing. You can get the same education for much MUCH less money. On the other hand, UMASS is $11,000 for tuition.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

That's the thing, Harvard doesn't offer a better education. They use the same textbooks and talk about the same things as all the other schools. Once again, you'd just be paying for the name.

I just looked it up and Harvard College (undergrad) costs $54,000 per semester. You can get the same education for much MUCH less money.

Its the professors.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Its the professors.

Teachers do not make somebody learn something any better. Teachers all do the same things, they teach.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

Teachers do not make somebody learn something any better. Teachers all do the same things, they teach.

I strongly disagree with this. I have had teachers that have taught me a lot, and teachers that have taught me nothing.

For example, my math teacher this year is excellent, he goes over everything so well and tries to help and address everyone's problems. But, my bio teacher never really talks to us and just lets us copy notes. Ive learned a lot more this year in math then in bio.

 

[BabyPiglet]

I strongly disagree with this. I have had teachers that have taught me a lot, and teachers that have taught me nothing.

For example, my math teacher this year is excellent, he goes over everything so well and tries to help and address everyone's problems. But, my bio teacher never really talks to us and just lets us copy notes. Ive learned a lot more this year in math then in bio.

That's not what I meant. I mean, that those teachers were selected for being 'best' because they have connections and big names. The teachers at my school, are just as good as the teachers there.

Harvard is not the only school that has great teachers, and it's a perspective type of thing. A teacher that I think is helpful, may not be to you. Each person's learning style is different.

Like I've said before, you can get a comparable education at a state school, for much less money.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

That's not what I meant. I mean, that those teachers were selected for being 'best' because they have connections and big names. The teachers at my school, are just as good as the teachers there.

Harvard is not the only school that has great teachers, and it's a perspective type of thing. A teacher that I think is helpful, may not be to you. Each person's learning style is different.

Like I've said before, you can get a comparable education at a state school, for much less money.

Forget it I like ivy league schools and you dont, I tried to explain why I like them andyou disagree

just leave it there

 

[BabyPiglet]

Forget it I like ivy league schools and you dont, I tried to explain why I like them andyou disagree

just leave it there

I like ivy leagues just fine, I just don't see paying a ridiculous tuition to go there. I was just trying to show you that you should have a backup plan at a state school that costs less.

 

[imabrat]

Ok, funny you should mention UPenn. Im going to the grduation at Upenn in 2 weeks for my cousin. My point was if you have two people with the EXACT same credentionals, then you might pick the person with the better education.

UPenn saved my life.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm going to IL, I'm going to UofPenn. Why do you think I'm trying so hard in school? I want to apply to UPenn. But realistically, it's not going to happen.

Harvard doesn't give you a better education. You use the SAME EXACT materials at Harvard Law School and a state school like the Law Program at Penn State. Wanna know why - they all take the BARs! Yeah, some teachers are more knowledgeable than others, but you get that anywhere. Education is not everything. Can you honestly tell me that in the real-world you're going to need to know if a rock is sedimentary more than how to change a tire? No.

 

[saratogadreamin09]

I like ivy leagues just fine, I just don't see paying a ridiculous tuition to go there. I was just trying to show you that you should have a backup plan at a state school that costs less.

I

I actually have a few backup plans. But, New York state schools are actually more then doubling their tution next year Without room and board the cheapest school will have about $14,000 tuition compared to the $6,000 this year

UPenn saved my life.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm going to IL, I'm going to UofPenn. Why do you think I'm trying so hard in school? I want to apply to UPenn. But realistically, it's not going to happen.

Harvard doesn't give you a better education. You use the SAME EXACT materials at Harvard Law School and a state school like the Law Program at Penn State. Wanna know why - they all take the BARs! Yeah, some teachers are more knowledgeable than others, but you get that anywhere. Education is not everything. Can you honestly tell me that in the real-world you're going to need to know if a rock is sedimentary more than how to change a tire? No.

Real world experince is everything, but SOMETIMES, jobs dont look at experience they look at education. My uncle has owned his two different businessed and he is now a manager for UPS. He has applied for numerous promotions (a few he got) but most times he gets beat out by people because he didnt go to college.

BTW, I dont think Penn State is a good comparing school to use because its looked at really highly and I consider it an awesome school, much better then most of New York's state schools

 

[chisnpeke]

Ok, funny you should mention UPenn. Im going to the grduation at Upenn in 2 weeks for my cousin. My point was if you have two people with the EXACT same credentionals, then you might pick the person with the better education.

What if one does not interview as well as the other? Are they automatically going to pick the one who went to Harvard?

To prove my point is George W. Bush went to Yale for his undergrad studies, he said he was "average" yet he got into Harvard for his masters. Please do not tell me his family and the legacy that went with it somehow played a part of him getting into Harvard and Yale. I'm not saying he's not smart enough to but "average" students don't just somehow get into those schools.