Do People really believe this?

[Alaska DogCat]

Get real?

I'm a lesbian. People sit in church every week and listen to their religious leaders say all kinds of nasty things about me and people like me. Millions listened to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson when they blamed homosexuals and witches for 9/11, and still continued to support them and hateful religious leaders like them.

Am I concerned that Obama sat in Church and heard Reverend Wright talking about black anger, white resentment, and saying God damn America for its racism?

About as concerned as I am with ANY religious politician who controls my country and sits in church every single week and listens to hate spilling from the pulpit.

Amen.

 

[BuckNaked]

I think this is a very intolerant view. What the poster was trying to get at (I think) is that not all people who go to church feel that the election should be preached from the pulpit.

How is it intolerant to say that I'm not bound by the teachings of a church to which I don't belong? And his comment was not about the election being preached from the pulpit, it was about a previous post of mine relating to my daily prayer.

But I have concerns about anyone who chooses to disregard another's feelings/beliefs as valid.

Then you should have no concerns with me, as I'm not saying anyone's feelings/beliefs are invalid. I'm simply saying that their church's teachings don't apply to ME. Surely you can see the difference.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

Figures someone in Iowa would have to make an *** of themselves. I swear, some of these religious leaders are enjoying themselves in the spotlight trying while making their candidate of choice look bad.

Politics and religion need to stay separated.

 

[yeartolate]

Get real?

I'm a lesbian. People sit in church every week and listen to their religious leaders say all kinds of nasty things about me and people like me. Millions listened to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson when they blamed homosexuals and witches for 9/11, and still continued to support them and hateful religious leaders like them.

Am I concerned that Obama sat in Church and heard Reverend Wright talking about black anger, white resentment, and saying God damn America for its racism?

About as concerned as I am with ANY religious politician who controls my country and sits in church every single week and listens to hate spilling from the pulpit.

Well there is a slice of perspective for ya'

 

[creativeamanda]

How is it intolerant to say that I'm not bound by the teachings of a church to which I don't belong? And his comment was not about the election being preached from the pulpit, it was about a previous post of mine relating to my daily prayer.



Then you should have no concerns with me, as I'm not saying anyone's feelings/beliefs are invalid. I'm simply saying that their church's teachings don't apply to ME. Surely you can see the difference.

I can see that. However, my personal prayer is not that Sen Obama loses, but for God's will to be done in the election. Some churches preach that you prayer is okay. My church doesn't preach that political prayers are wrong, but instead stays out of politics an encourages us to make our own prayerful decisions.

Figures someone in Iowa would have to make an *** of themselves. I swear, some of these religious leaders are enjoying themselves in the spotlight trying while making their candidate of choice look bad.

Politics and religion need to stay separated.

Unfortunately, as most laws started as religious laws, I don't see politics and religion ever being completely separate ever.

 

[basas]

Get real?

I'm a lesbian. People sit in church every week and listen to their religious leaders say all kinds of nasty things about me and people like me. Millions listened to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson when they blamed homosexuals and witches for 9/11, and still continued to support them and hateful religious leaders like them.

Am I concerned that Obama sat in Church and heard Reverend Wright talking about black anger, white resentment, and saying God damn America for its racism?

About as concerned as I am with ANY religious politician who controls my country and sits in church every single week and listens to hate spilling from the pulpit.

Is hating white people a religious teaching? FTR, the churches I've been to don't teach to hate homosexuals, just that homosexual acts are wrong. There is a difference.

 

[BuckNaked]

Is hating white people a religious teaching?

Apparently it is in at least one church in Chicago, and I doubt it's the only one.

FTR, the churches I've been to don't teach to hate homosexuals, just that homosexual acts are wrong. There is a difference.

Same here.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think the minister was crossing the line. That was just a strange prayer and I am glad to see McCain was not alligning himself with the man.

I pray for God's Will to be done--I just had this conversation last night with my mom (while standing in line at SOARIN' for 75 mins!) about praying for wins in ballgames, matches, (or elections, in this case).I do not teach my child that and I do want someone telling her that either.

To me, we do not know the Will of God. God's Will may be for McCain to be the man to carry out the next steps or maybe Obama. One or the other though, will be a vessel in wrking toward God's plan for the world--not the USA (IMHO) but the World. Clearly to me, reading the Bible shows us in what direction we are going. We've been going there for quite some time. Every POTUS has led us in the direction predicted (IMHO) and the next one will also.
The US is not really a player that can be pinpointed in the Bible that I know of, I think there are other major players beside us.

To say that Obama is who the other countries want is quite possible, I guess. Maybe they think he'll be less likely to take military action than McCain. Who knows? I just think whoever wins will be tested for a reaction just like GWB was. So, we'll see.
I think there is a major Plan being worked out throughout time and we are all players in it to some degree. I beleieve it it is still much the same as it was in the days we read about in the Bible w/ God using people to accomplish things that will fulfill His Plan.

And I agree...I do not believe God, Jesus, or the Bible teaches people to hate homosexuals. the bible teaches it is a sin against God but there is no hate there. There is a difference. However, there are many things that are sins, and we should not dwell on pointing one out that we are not guilty of. Again, JMHO.

 

[KatheeME]

What a moron, surely any rational Americans won't swallow this bull.

Kathee

 

[creativeamanda]

I think the minister was crossing the line. That was just a strange prayer and I am glad to see McCain was not alligning himself with the man.

I pray for God's Will to be done--I just had this conversation last night with my mom (while standing in line at SOARIN' for 75 mins!) about praying for wins in ballgames, matches, (or elections, in this case).I do not teach my child that and I do want someone telling her that either.

To me, we do not know the Will of God. God's Will may be for McCain to be the man to carry out the next steps or maybe Obama. One or the other though, will be a vessel in wrking toward God's plan for the world--not the USA (IMHO) but the World. Clearly to me, reading the Bible shows us in what direction we are going. We've been going there for quite some time. Every POTUS has led us in the direction predicted (IMHO) and the next one will also.
The US is not really a player that can be pinpointed in the Bible that I know of, I think there are other major players beside us.

To say that Obama is who the other countries want is quite possible, I guess. Maybe they think he'll be less likely to take military action than McCain. Who knows? I just think whoever wins will be tested for a reaction just like GWB was. So, we'll see.
I think there is a major Plan being worked out throughout time and we are all players in it to some degree. I beleieve it it is still much the same as it was in the days we read about in the Bible w/ God using people to accomplish things that will fulfill His Plan.

And I agree...I do not believe God, Jesus, or the Bible teaches people to hate homosexuals. the bible teaches it is a sin against God but there is no hate there. There is a difference. However, there are many things that are sins, and we should not dwell on pointing one out that we are not guilty of. Again, JMHO.

Your comments about God's will are exactly my opinions. When I pray, I pray that God's will be done. (Remember the Lord's Prayer--it is a model for how prayers should be. If any Christian has a problem praying in the manner Jesus gave us, then perhaps they should reread the New Testament). Regardless of who wins, I believe God is in control of the details. Knowing that, I can give the respect to the office of the President regardless of who sits in that office. Remember "render unto Caesar"? What God has planned will come into fruition regardless of who is chosen as President.

 

[BuckNaked]

. If any Christian has a problem praying in the manner Jesus gave us, then perhaps they should reread the New Testament)

Now who's being dismissive of other people's beliefs?

 

[KatheeME]

Actually, both statements are true, aren't they?

The church's official doctrine states life begins at conceptions, I think everyoe knows that.

But the individual church members, which also are "the church", are conflicted, especially in the US.

Is the church the people, the doctrine, the Pope or the building? And how do we know to which Pelosi was referring?

Certainly one definition of "church" is the "body of its membership."

Chuck, good luck with helping DawnCT see reason, lol!
Kathee

 

[KatheeME]

Is hating white people a religious teaching? FTR, the churches I've been to don't teach to hate homosexuals, just that homosexual acts are wrong. There is a difference.

You fall for that rationale?
Kathee

 

[creativeamanda]

Now who's being dismissive of other people's beliefs?

I don't have a problem who other's beliefs or how they pray in private. I do have a problem with a minister praying in that manner in public. It makes it look like that is how all Christians feel, and unfortunately that is not the case.

 

[BuckNaked]

I don't have a problem who other's beliefs or how they pray in private. I do have a problem with a minister praying in that manner in public. It makes it look like that is how all Christians feel, and unfortunately that is not the case.

That's not what you said.

Remember the Lord's Prayer--it is a model for how prayers should be. If any Christian has a problem praying in the manner Jesus gave us, then perhaps they should reread the New Testament).

You seem to be saying that any Christian that doesn't pray the way YOU think they should, i.e., only on the model of the Lord's Prayer, needs to go back and re-learn.

That seems pretty intolerant to me.

 

[BuckNaked]

You fall for that rationale?
Kathee

Do you not believe there is a difference?

 

[abbingtonmatt]

Do you not believe there is a difference?

I believe...

 

[creativeamanda]

That's not what you said.



You seem to be saying that any Christian that doesn't pray the way YOU think they should, i.e., only on the model of the Lord's Prayer, needs to go back and re-learn.

That seems pretty intolerant to me.

The Lord's Prayer, in case you have forgotten, "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Clearly, God is in control of the little details here on earth. Regardless of what this minister prays, his wishes are not going to control God's will, and therefore Christians should look to the Bible for guidance. My direction in what you quoted was that that minister did a poor job in his praying. You chose, IMO, to make it a personal attack on your praying methods. I apologize as that was not what it was meant as. It was meant as a reminder that prayer is a conversation with God. He knows your heart's desire before you ask for it. I choose to make my prayer time as a time for conversation with God and time to come to terms with His will when it is not what I wish for. And trust me, more often than not, what God gives me is not what I would have chosen for myself.

When you sit in a hospital room and pray for God's will in your Mom's life knowing His will is that she die and never see her granddaughter, rather than pray for healing that is not going to happen, then tell me my personal form of praying has no baring on how you pray. After all, if you are a Christian, then you, I take it, realize you have no control over God's will.

 

[BuckNaked]

The Lord's Prayer, in case you have forgotten, "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

No, I haven't forgotten, buy your snarkiness is showing.

After all, if you are a Christian, then you, I take it, realize you have no control over God's will.

You really should consider how you demean and question the religious beliefs of others before you put forth accusations of intolerance against them.

 

[sanfran22]

I hate to correct the minister, but in the case of those praying to Allah, they are praying to the same God. The three main monotheistic religions (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) all stem from the same family tree and from the God of Abraham. Abraham brought the idea of the one true God to Israel with the mantra-"Hear oh Israel, the Lord Your God is One." All three religions claim to worship the God introduced by this man.

The Christian God and Allah are the same God.

You are WAY off....