Do Not Disturb Gone! (BLT)

[HopperFan]

Ugly is a Southern Mama slang word for .... unpleasant. Not from South but live in South, and I use when trying to keep it light. Guess that didn't work.

To those who expect Disney cops to be called ..... Disney doesn't want folks reporting these incidents to social media, news outlets and elsewhere, so I'd like to think they will try to resolve a situation on the spot without making it worse. Am sure 99% of these situations will be innocent guest trying to sleep or shower is harassed by Disney CM who's job is to spy on them - and that is the version to make it out for PR. NOW if a man is trying to get in to my room uninvited we may be talking about Orange County being there since I wouldn't hesitate to dial 911 if they are being forceful. They are on property and would arrive quite quickly.

Disney needs to figure something out to give these people more credibility than a easy to buy name tag. They might need to create a hard to tamper ID (that our check in material will have photos of for our reference) or a system where the front desk will verify on the phone that the person trying to enter your room is who they say.

It shocks me that so many people are so willing to just open a hotel room door and let men enter and wander around. And they feel they have zero rights. There are guidelines and I believe the reason the WL CM stated they were there to do housekeeping is because there are only a few reasons acceptable for entry ........... I don't think spying is included.

 

[BK2014]

It shocks me that so many people are so willing to just open a hotel room door and let men enter and wander around. And they feel they have zero rights. There are guidelines and I believe the reason the WL CM stated they were there to do housekeeping is because there are only a few reasons acceptable for entry ........... I don't think spying is included.

I think people believe they have more rights than they actually do in this situation. Even the American Hotel and Lodging Association has acknowledged that Disney owns their hotel rooms and has the right to enter for security, maintenance, safety or sanitation purposes. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/travel/disney-hotels-do-not-disturb.html Those are all very broad categories, under which likely include preemptive actions.

 

[mjr0483]

It shocks me that so many people are so willing to just open a hotel room door and let men enter and wander around. And they feel they have zero rights. There are guidelines and I believe the reason the WL CM stated they were there to do housekeeping is because there are only a few reasons acceptable for entry ........... I don't think spying is included.

I have been wondering the same thing. Housekeeping has a key to the room and enters while you are gone.
Let's face it a stranger with a white name tag, knocking on the door and asking to come into your room. There is too much room for abuse. One of Disney's concerns is also human trafficking so they are letting men enter a room with a single woman. This is a paradox. Disney is doing a bang-up job of keeping people off the grounds and sticking fake pizza flyers in your door. And these are the people we are trusting to do a security check?

Oh and Disney Management if you are reading these threads. Yes you are doing a crappy job. The public does not want strange people bothering us while we are in our room.

 

[GTApex]

What I’m picturing based on some of these reports and discussions.

(Probably only funny if you’ve seen The Fifth Element)

 

[BK2014]

I have been wondering the same thing. Housekeeping has a key to the room and enters while you are gone.
Let's face it a stranger with a white name tag, knocking on the door and asking to come into your room. There is too much room for abuse.

I may have missed it, but have there been any reports that the security checks have to take place when the guest is actually in the room? Or that housekeeping always comes when the room is unoccupied? Or is it largely left up to chance? Having worked both at WDW and at a luxury hotel (I did not work at WDW resorts), I can tell you that almost any hotel employee can gain access to your room. The room for abuse is tremendous, and has always existed. That is not to say that some of the concerns mentioned are not valid, I just do not see how this new policy significantly increases those risks.

 

[mjr0483]

There has to be a way for Disney to do this more intelligently. They have the skills and technology to be able to do this correctly but at what costs? They don't want to spend money to do it efficiently.

There are high-risk behaviors and low risk. They don't need to treat us all like criminals and have some minimum wage person go around knocking on doors every day. Every room every day is just stupid and intrusive. They can't convince me that this is going to make anyone any safer.

 

[mjr0483]

I may have missed it, but have there been any reports that the security checks have to take place when the guest is actually in the room? Or that housekeeping always comes when the room is unoccupied? Or is it largely left up to chance? Having worked both at WDW and at a luxury hotel (I did not work at WDW resorts), I can tell you that almost any hotel employee can gain access to your room. The room for abuse is tremendous, and has always existed. That is not to say that some of the concerns mentioned are not valid, I just do not see how this new policy significantly increases those risks.

You don't have to be in the room. The point is the hotel would honor the "Do Not Disturb" sign and leave you alone. "Room Occupied" just tells Disney staff that if your number is up when they come knocking that someone is in the room. It will NOT stop them from knocking or requesting to enter. If you don't answer because you are in the shower they are coming in your room.

 

[MolonLabe]

I could quote 30 more like these but I'll only do 2.

The problem with this is that if they really want to try to sell this as a security check, they can't announce when they will do it.

They already do, between 9am and 6pm if you have a room occupied sign up.

It is like pulling every 5th person for the extra TSA check. Or choosing every 6th person for the metal detector at Magic Kingdom.

All of that should be random. If it is a real security check. Of course since it isn't, they certainly should be able to schedule them.

I was going to say the same thing. You can’t announce when you’re going to do a security sweep...totally defeats the purpose.

I don’t love this new policy, but I understand why they aren’t allowing people to “schedule” a time.

Random? First understand that these checks are already coming during a pre determined time. Basically they are "scheduled" between 9am and 6pm. Being able to narrow that window down isn't going to have any affect on actually catching anyone. All a potential bad guy has to do now is keep the illicit items in his/her suit until after the check and then pull them out until about 9am the next morning put them back in the luggage until after the "sweep".

While that's completely different if the sign wasn't up.

I still feel like these "security" checks are a joke.

That's because they are, they are completely useless in preventing any sort of attack.

Under the current scenario: Any and all illicit items are kept in luggage until after the room is serviced / checked. Also any items could be left in a vehicle in the parking lot until after the days "check". Which is what the Vegas murderer did BTW, kept it all in luggage until that day.

Under a future scenario where a room AND the luggage are all inspected: potential bag guy leaves all illicit items in vehicle in parking lot or simply launches an attack on the day of check in.

Under a future fix for aforementioned future fix: Disney Disney inspects all room contents AND luggage AND all vehicles entering Disney property: Disney security finds guns and ammo in a guests car and says "are you leaving those in the car or checking them at the front desk?" Guest replies either "Leaving them in the car" or "checking in at the front desk" and either way the CM says "Ok thanks, have a magical day!"

*Disney and 99.999% of other companies and businesses in Florida are prohibited by law from preventing a lawful gun owner from having firearms in their vehicle. There are similar laws in most other states also.

So, specifically, how does this new intrusive policy of harassing guests who have shown no actual signs of nefarious actions occurring in their rooms do anything to improve security or prevent any sort of actual attack?

 

[HopperFan]

I have been wondering the same thing. Housekeeping has a key to the room and enters while you are gone.
Let's face it a stranger with a white name tag, knocking on the door and asking to come into your room. There is too much room for abuse. One of Disney's concerns is also human trafficking so they are letting men enter a room with a single woman. This is a paradox. Disney is doing a bang-up job of keeping people off the grounds and sticking fake pizza flyers in your door. And these are the people we are trusting to do a security check?

Oh and Disney Management if you are reading these threads. Yes you are doing a crappy job. The public does not want strange people bothering us while we are in our room.

Once at POP Century two men (in daylight) were going door-to-door, knocking, jiggling handle and pushing to get in. I had no phone but followed them. Not a CM in site the whole length of building. At we approached each other towards end I took their picture. They saw me and ran for the car. By time I got to front desk they were long gone.

I've also been there with other guests banging on my door late at night. Strange men coming in my room with me is not happening. And honestly even if I walk outside while they look, if they aren't employees .... I just let them in ....

I think people believe they have more rights than they actually do in this situation. Even the American Hotel and Lodging Association has acknowledged that Disney owns their hotel rooms and has the right to enter for security, maintenance, safety or sanitation purposes. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/travel/disney-hotels-do-not-disturb.html Those are all very broad categories, under which likely include preemptive actions.

Well link goes to spam ... thanks.

And I have read numerous - at more "hotel/legal" sources than a newspaper. If I have paid for my room and not disturbed others - they are much slimmer than that. I do have some expectation of privacy. I'm not saying they can't do their completely pointless eye sweep while they clean my room, I'm not saying if you have the sign up for more than a day that they shouldn't be concerned .......... but that is not what is happening. What they are doing is 100% CYA at the expense of the guests who are already paying above and beyond for those rooms. If I am in the room, I shouldn't have to deal with this.

 

[marikujawa]

You don't have to be in the room. The point is the hotel would honor the "Do Not Disturb" sign and leave you alone. "Room Occupied" just tells Disney staff that if your number is up when they come knocking that someone is in the room. It will NOT stop them from knocking or requesting to enter. If you don't answer because you are in the shower they are coming in your room.

How do you know any of this? They are knocking despite the sign and coming in your room when your number is up? No doubts - no exceptions?

 

[mjr0483]

How do you know any of this? They are knocking despite the sign and coming in your room when your number is upNo doubts - no exceptions?

This is what has been reported in several news stories and first-hand experiences. Not sure about a blanket no exceptions.

 

[BK2014]

Well link goes to spam ... thanks.

I apologize if the link does not work for you. I tried the link that was in my quote that you quoted, and it still went to the NY Times article I was referencing.

And I have read numerous - at more "hotel/legal" sources than a newspaper. If I have paid for my room and not disturbed others - they are much slimmer than that. I do have some expectation of privacy.

Where exactly out of your numerous sources have you found that Disney's new policy is infringing on your expectation of privacy in a hotel room? You don't think they consulted with their lawyers before implementing this plan.

I don't like this policy any more than anyone else, but people's belief that it is somehow violating their "rights", where that term means their actual legal rights, is mistaken.

 

[mjr0483]

Where exactly out of your numerous sources have you found that Disney's new policy is infringing on your expectation of privacy in a hotel room? You don't think they consulted with their lawyers before implementing this plan.

That's the thing. There really is no privacy. It is their property and their rules. If you don't like it don't stay there. Police still need a warrant to search but they don't and can enter for any cause they see fit.

 

[mjr0483]

Here is a snip from DVC Home Resort Rules & Regulations.
Basically, for whatever reason, they say.
Or any other purpose. Because they say so!

 

[Summer2018]

I have been wondering the same thing. Housekeeping has a key to the room and enters while you are gone.
Let's face it a stranger with a white name tag, knocking on the door and asking to come into your room. There is too much room for abuse. One of Disney's concerns is also human trafficking so they are letting men enter a room with a single woman. This is a paradox. Disney is doing a bang-up job of keeping people off the grounds and sticking fake pizza flyers in your door. And these are the people we are trusting to do a security check?

Oh and Disney Management if you are reading these threads. Yes you are doing a crappy job. The public does not want strange people bothering us while we are in our room.

Well said.

 

[HopperFan]

Where exactly out of your numerous sources have you found that Disney's new policy is infringing on your expectation of privacy in a hotel room? You don't think they consulted with their lawyers before implementing this plan.

I don't like this policy any more than anyone else, but people's belief that it is somehow violating their "rights", where that term means their actual legal rights, is mistaken.

I do think they consulted which is why I think these "men" who are knocked on doors without any equipment or others with them expecting to be let in are saying they are "housekeeping". And obviously housekeeping is not even a must do each day because many don't get it and Disney even pays them to not get it.

I had this convo already and there are others including the above that just want to argue the point that no one has any rights to expect anything at anytime for their $200-1500 a night they paid. I disagree and find it sad folks are willing to roll over for it. For every little snippet someone finds there will be another found to the contrary. It's life, everyone trying to CYA, everyone coming up with their own disclaimers in hopes the persons involved won't argue or contact legal counsel. Disney has gone beyond what I've seen any other hotel do ... and Disney always thinks they do no wrong so ....... for many, this is unacceptable and will move to other lodging.

Again, sadly have no issues with them entering to spy on me while I am gone. (I hide all my bad stuff ) Have a big issue with them wanting to come in and spy on me while I am showering, sleeping or resting. Sending men in a woman's room for no other reason than to look at me and my stuff.

All in the name of fake security.

 

[marikujawa]

I do think they consulted which is why I think these "men" who are knocked on doors without any equipment or others with them expecting to be let in are saying they are "housekeeping". And obviously housekeeping is not even a must do each day because many don't get it and Disney even pays them to not get it.

I had this convo already and there are others including the above that just want to argue the point that no one has any rights to expect anything at anytime for their $200-1500 a night they paid. I disagree and find it sad folks are willing to roll over for it. For every little snippet someone finds there will be another found to the contrary. It's life, everyone trying to CYA, everyone coming up with their own disclaimers in hopes the persons involved won't argue or contact legal counsel. Disney has gone beyond what I've seen any other hotel do ... and Disney always thinks they do no wrong so ....... for many, this is unacceptable and will move to other lodging.

Again, sadly have no issues with them entering to spy on me while I am gone. (I hide all my bad stuff ) Have a big issue with them wanting to come in and spy on me while I am showering, sleeping or resting. Sending men in a woman's room for no other reason than to look at me and my stuff.

All in the name of fake security.

No, please contact legal counsel. It would put a quick end to so much of this. If you really believe Disney wants to spy on you when you're showering, why on earth would you ever consider setting foot in one of their resorts?

 

[mjr0483]

No, please contact legal counsel. It would put a quick end to so much of this. If you really believe Disney wants to spy on you when you're showering, why on earth would you ever consider setting foot in one of their resorts?

They don’t intend to do it. It is a sad symptom of a bad policy. And because it is for “security” we are just supposed to swallow it. No thanks.

 

[saskdw]

How would the story have ended? Posts like this make me wonder what you (and others who have posted similar sentiments) think will happen if you were to refuse to comply with Disney's policies? It is not likely to end with you changing their mind and being given an apology and some fastpasses for your troubles. Depending on how ugly it gets, it likely ends with someone being escorted off property by the county Sheriff's department.



If a guest really had an ugly reaction to this policy, I don't know that the the press would necessarily be sympathetic to the guest. Rather, it may well be something along the lines of "Disney daily security check helps to identify unstable guest". It is a well publicized change in policy. I have seen stories on the NBC nightly news and CNN.com. What basis would anyone have to sue because Disney carried out their poorly thought out but well publicized policy? A guest was upset by a policy they knew about, but didn't like and went anyhow and is now surprised that they were upset during their trip because of said policy, so they sue?

Actually all press reports I've read so far regarding this policy have been negative towards Disney.

 

[marikujawa]

They don’t intend to do it. It is a sad symptom of a bad policy. And because it is for “security” we are just supposed to swallow it. No thanks.

Please reread the post I was replying to. Being upset about a policy is understandable, but it doesn't justify making disgusting, unfounded accusations against Disney and its employees. There is no evidence of Disney wanting to spy on people showering or sending men into women's rooms to look at them.