Disney's Price Increases are obscene....

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Anti capitalism...not at all. But, decline in quality, less service (and pride), and higher prices... DEFINITELY! Unfortunately, that's what gives capitalism a bad name.

Alas, fee schedules insure, that everyone charges the same price, regardless of the quality of service...not a good thing either.

There should be a balance. Disney gets away with it and they do. Too bad..IMHO

Gives capitalism a bad name? lololol, ok, that's funny, if not hypocrisy at it's finest.

That's what capitalism and free enterprise is all about, having the freedom to do what the market will bear.

If reduced services and increased prices leads to sustainable increased revenue, it would be foolish not to do so.
 
they have proven loyalty, honesty and dependability. Those qualities in themselves, irrespective of additional duties, makes them owed pay raises.

In some jobs, in some companies, that's true, although a lot of cases I can think of, that "dependability" means the employee did more than the job called for, by sticking their neck out and challenging the system or otherwise finding a way to make the company more efficient. In a large company, those people move up into higher paying positions; in a smaller company, even though they're making the company more money, there isn't anywhere to move them, so they get a raise.

Unless the employees are making more money for the company, no company can afford to just keep giving long-term employees automatic raises for loyalty very long. That money has to come from somewhere. Often people are getting raises based on inflation (and a lot of times lose ground in spending power even so), and sometimes unions can force pay raises (but the company often has to adjust -- before the animator's strike at Disney, Disney employed around 1200; after it was unionized, only 694), and sometimes companies give out raises just because business is booming and they're happy to share, but for the most part, people get pay raises because they're somehow earning the company more money.

At least in terms of the front-line people, the CMs most of us are most likely to be interacting with, Disney, like many amusement parks, relies on college kids and people who are semi-retired. I don't think Disney takes in nearly so high a percentage of high school kids as amusement parks do, partly because they do hold their employees to a higher standard that many local amusement parks, but both amusement parks and theme parks employ a lot of people who don't need prior job experience or any particular training going in. And people like that don't get paid well unless they go beyond the basic job requirements, by suggesting ways Disney can improve things or by getting training on the job to do something more specialized than running the cash register or whatever.

It'd be nice if the rise in ticket prices was passed on to the employees, and I hope Disney does raise wages to keep up with inflation, but first off Disney can't afford to regularly kick up everyone's pay "just because" and secondly, Disney owes their stockholders money, too. I have a lot of issues with how stocks are used right now, but companies sell stock in the first place to get money for some project or expansion or whatever, and the stockholder does deserve to be paid for making that "loan."

Disney has a responsibility to both employees and stockholders to charge "what the market will bear." Walt was a generous employer when he had money, but he also expected his employees to "suck it up" and tolerate pay cuts despite their productivity when times were tough. He felt it cuts both ways -- he's generous, so the employees should be generous to him -- and he felt the animator's strike was a terrible betrayal. He'd been willing to "carry" people who didn't work as hard as others, rather than lay people off; he said the animator's strike forced him to get rid of "the world-owes-me-a-living" guys. :scratchin

So even in Walt's own lifetime, there was a shift from the smaller business practice of generosity in good times and cut backs while trying not to lay people off in bad, to the policy of "work hard and we'll reward you, but if you can be replaced by someone who makes us more money, likely you will be."

Disney's park prices are higher, but they aren't way out there compared to other theme parks, and Disney offers four parks instead of two, and an immersive experience like no other. I'm not happy about the price hike, but I'm also not convinced it's unreasonable.
 
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I'll repeat - YOU ARE NOT OWED A RAISE.

Whether you get one or not is a business decision. Why? Because YOU ARE NOT OWED A RAISE.

Well, if that's the case, we're even, because what I have stated has been my experience and those that I know, of friends and relatives (not speaking of present economy) You can keep on posting, I'm out - tired of trying to get you to read right;)
 
Wow this thread just keeps on dragging. It seems we just keep going around in around in circles. Bottom line is yes the price increase does stink but it something we have to deal with a small price to pay for the happiest place on earth....nuff said. And once again whether I'm rich or poor, I will make it to Disney no matter what....We :thumbsup2all will...
 

True that no one is owed a raise. A wise company that can afford to do so will give raises if it can. More than a few manager type people have commented that a good employee is priceless and needs to be kept if possible because there are so many out there that just don't work or have other issues. It's ridiculous to continually train people and then don't care if they perform their job well only to leave and take their training elsewhere.

That aside, the key to me is whether a company can afford raises. Can Disney afford raises? Who knows really.
 
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If reduced services and increased prices leads to sustainable increased revenue, it would be foolish not to do so.
Foolish or moral?
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Disney has a responsibility to both employees and stockholders to charge "what the market will bear." Walt was a generous employer when he had money, but he also expected his employees to "suck it up" and tolerate pay cuts despite their productivity when times were tough. He felt it cuts both ways -- he's generous, so the employees should be generous to him -- and he felt the animator's strike was a terrible betrayal. He'd been willing to "carry" people who didn't work as hard as others, rather than lay people off; he said the animator's strike forced him to get rid of "the world-owes-me-a-living" guys. :scratchin

So even in Walt's own lifetime, there was a shift from the smaller business practice of generosity in good times and cut backs while trying not to lay people off in bad, to the policy of "work hard and we'll reward you, but if you can be replaced by someone who makes us more money, likely you will be."
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:thumbsup2
 
To pop back to the original topic for a second ... :goodvibes

To the OP -- this question may have gotten lost in all the back-and-forth about unions and percentiles and such ...

If Disney had not raised its prices this year, would you have still purchased Disney APs?

And, if so, with your current feeling of "Disney doesn't provide the value" based on your family's stated preference for Universal ... why?

Thank you!

:earsboy:
 
To pop back to the original topic for a second ... :goodvibes

To the OP -- this question may have gotten lost in all the back-and-forth about unions and percentiles and such ...

If Disney had not raised its prices this year, would you have still purchased Disney APs?

And, if so, with your current feeling of "Disney doesn't provide the value" based on your family's stated preference for Universal ... why?

Thank you!

:earsboy:

Yes - I would have renewed - no question. I would have renewed even with an increase - as there has always been an increase. I don't have a preference for Universal - just that the same passes this year will cost me $330.00 more than last year at Disney. Disney (IMO) is by no means "bad" but the quality of the product has incrementally and steadily diminished over the years in my mind.

Universal passes were $169 last year - and $169 this year.

I hear all the talk about building new attractions and resorts - yeah, yeah. Read the 10-Q from the TWDC. This is a year they are enjoying record PROFITS - driven largely by theme park attendance and performance at the resorts. Another poster stated it was more likely due to entertainment performance, but that is not accurate according to TWDC's quarterly earnings statements.

My whole original point (lost long ago!) was that when you diminish a product and simultaneously raise the price to a point that I no longer feel good about spending money on - I'm out. I like Disney better than Universal, but Universal will have to do! My opinion is clearly in the minority on this board, and I certainly respect everyone else's viewpoint - as we all have different preferences and priorities. This is was only mine. Never realized sharing it would be so polarizing......<sigh>
 
How many of the complainers on here have in the past or presently own a business? I have said many times that everyone should run their own business for at least a quarter to understand what it costs to run even a small operation,much less a Disney theme park.
IMO, still a bargain for a full day of unlimited entertainment.Go to Six Flags if you arent satisfied with paying Disney prices.
 
Because it would cost more to train new people.

Maybe, if there was an in-depth training program. But based on what I've seen and heard, Disney quit doing the long version long ago, and now new employees get a half day or so...

And apparently, you're good until you screw up, then you're fired, and the next CP or person in line from Central Casting shows up to take your place.

There's really no incentive to give raises even tho' I personally believe Theme Parks and Resorts performance was good enough last year to merit them.

Guess they can't find money for employees after paying executive bonuses...bonuses paid to executives to reward them for "directing" all that good CM performance...
 
Yes - I would have renewed - no question. I would have renewed even with an increase - as there has always been an increase. I don't have a preference for Universal - just that the same passes this year will cost me $330.00 more than last year at Disney. Disney (IMO) is by no means "bad" but the quality of the product has incrementally and steadily diminished over the years in my mind.

Universal passes were $169 last year - and $169 this year.

I hear all the talk about building new attractions and resorts - yeah, yeah. Read the 10-Q from the TWDC. This is a year they are enjoying record PROFITS - driven largely by theme park attendance and performance at the resorts. Another poster stated it was more likely due to entertainment performance, but that is not accurate according to TWDC's quarterly earnings statements.

My whole original point (lost long ago!) was that when you diminish a product and simultaneously raise the price to a point that I no longer feel good about spending money on - I'm out. I like Disney better than Universal, but Universal will have to do! My opinion is clearly in the minority on this board, and I certainly respect everyone else's viewpoint - as we all have different preferences and priorities. This is was only mine. Never realized sharing it would be so polarizing......<sigh>

Question: How many parks does Universal have? 4? And a couple of water parks? Nope, didn't think so.

Also, you are free to feel that the Disney product has diminished. But not everyone agrees. If you would rather go to a much smaller park and feel you are getting a better deal, that is your choice. But not everyone is going to agree that that is the right move.

In addition, I don't think it is your point of view that people take offence to. It is the repeated comments about how much money you make and how nice of a home you have, as if that somehow makes you a better judge of what has value and what does not. Maybe that is not how you meant it, but it is how it sounds. It is never a good idea to bring up how much your income is on a message board.
 
How many of the complainers on here have in the past or presently own a business? I have said many times that everyone should run their own business for at least a quarter to understand what it costs to run even a small operation,much less a Disney theme park.
IMO, still a bargain for a full day of unlimited entertainment.Go to Six Flags if you arent satisfied with paying Disney prices.

I presently run a small business. That means I work pretty much every day, usually day & night.

Hey, I think someone owes me a raise!
 
Well, if that's the case, we're even, because what I have stated has been my experience and those that I know, of friends and relatives (not speaking of present economy) You can keep on posting, I'm out - tired of trying to get you to read right;)

Is any of your experience as a business owner? There are a lot of people who have never been responsible for running a business who think they're owed something just because they show up.

This gimme gimme gimme attitude gets tiresome after a while.
 
Is any of your experience as a business owner? There are a lot of people who have never been responsible for running a business who think they're owed something just because they show up.

This gimme gimme gimme attitude gets tiresome after a while
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Yep...and it's contagious.
 
Question:

In addition, I don't think it is your point of view that people take offence to. It is the repeated comments about how much money you make and how nice of a home you have, as if that somehow makes you a better judge of what has value and what does not. Maybe that is not how you meant it, but it is how it sounds. It is never a good idea to bring up how much your income is on a message board.

So sorry you have not recognized my blatant sarcasm, nor have you read the follow-up posts I made regarding my original post....
 
Is any of your experience as a business owner? There are a lot of people who have never been responsible for running a business who think they're owed something just because they show up.

This gimme gimme gimme attitude gets tiresome after a while.
There are also those (interestingly enough usually business owners and managers) that think that a good worker should just be happy with whatever pocket change gets thrown their way. People are entitled to better themselves at whatever level and a good employee is fully justified to move on to something better if they need to. And those business owners and managers can just continue to train and hope that the next one actually does the job.
 
The one day ticket price for Universal is within $ 1- $2 or Disney. How is that Better?

To add a second day to your one day US ticket costs $30. To add a second day to your Disney ticket costs $84. That's the difference.

Park to park upgrade is $20 at US, park hopper at Disney $55. There's another difference.

Just saying. Even though Universal is the same one day rate, staying longer there is cheaper.

We always do Disney and Universal. We have AP's to Universal, which cost $150. AP's to Disney $450. Big difference.
 
Question: How many parks does Universal have? 4? And a couple of water parks? Nope, didn't think so.

Also, you are free to feel that the Disney product has diminished. But not everyone agrees. If you would rather go to a much smaller park and feel you are getting a better deal, that is your choice. But not everyone is going to agree that that is the right move.

In addition, I don't think it is your point of view that people take offence to. It is the repeated comments about how much money you make and how nice of a home you have, as if that somehow makes you a better judge of what has value and what does not. Maybe that is not how you meant it, but it is how it sounds. It is never a good idea to bring up how much your income is on a message board.
Some of use are very satisfied with two parks at either resort. But that's another discussion...
 
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