Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

Well, recently CA released new guidance for social distancing at schools among students, in line with the CDC 3 feet recommendation. Our district sent home an email yesterday that said they will align with that new guidance going forward.
The new 3-feet recommendation only applies to students in classrooms.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0319-new-evidence-classroom-physical-distance.html
These updated recommendations are specific to students in classrooms with universal mask wearing.

CDC continues to recommend at least 6 feet of distance:
  • Between adults in the school building and between adults and students.
  • In common areas, such as school lobbies and auditoriums.
  • When masks can’t be worn, such as when eating.
  • During activities when increased exhalation occurs, such as singing, shouting, band practice, sports, or exercise. These activities should be moved outdoors or to large, well-ventilated spaces whenever possible.
  • In community settings outside of the classroom.
 
Well, recently CA released new guidance for social distancing at schools among students, in line with the CDC 3 feet recommendation. Our district sent home an email yesterday that said they will align with that new guidance going forward.

If 3 feet is good enough for masked students at schools, it should be good enough for theme parks too. And if you are saying it is safe to have students 3 feet apart in a classroom for an entire school day, you can't logically argue about time limits on indoor attractions.

Since that CDC guidance came out after the theme park reopening guidance, I'd expect to see some revisions.
The 3 feet is based on children aren't as affected by Covid as adults.

And while the distance is 3 feet between students, it is still 6ft between students and adults and between adults, and 6 feet whenever kids are unmasked. (My daughter is keeping her "pool noodle" light saber to show distance between her and kids.)

"CDC continues to recommend at least 6 feet of distance:
  • Between adults in the school building and between adults and students.
  • In common areas, such as school lobbies and auditoriums.
  • When masks can’t be worn, such as when eating."
 
I definitely think ride lines will be much longer than people seem to expect. The number of people talking about “how nice” it will be at 25% capacity... I don’t expect that, at all, to be honest. Limited ride capacity + new cleaning procedures + very little else to do... I think ride lines will be slow. You should have seen the pier games last weekend! More than five minutes cleaning between each group... 😬😬😬

Agreed, I think folks should brace themselves for that possibility. WDW with no Fastpass plus the slow moving lines was tough, tbh, we had moments where I was just like "I'm not coming back until things are normal!"

As you can all likely guess from my presence here all the time, I obviously didn't mean it lol!
 

I rarely eat in DTD. It just doesn't appeal to me. If I want to pay for an overpriced meal, I might as well do it while in the park lol
Seconded. Moreover, I nearly always brought my own lunch. I’m a longtime vegetarian and I don’t eat sugar so that rules out many of the DL offerings. However, on occasion I’d treat myself to the tacos at Rancho del Zocalo
 
Yikes - we're out of state so honestly I hadn't put that much thought into what the experience will be like. It sounds like it could be kind of awful, especially with little kids - longer lines, masks, no parades, no characters. I would be tempted to go if it were allowed, so I'm kind of glad we can't for now.
 
Question asked at Newsom's press conference today about the yellow tier not having full capacity allowed for businesses, prompted by the loss of tourism in Anaheim resulting in the city taking out a large loan, the reporter asked when will the restrictions end?

His response: "It won't end until we defeat the virus and eliminate the virus." No further clarification on the green tier except they're working on it but they're "mindful of variants and what's going on in Europe."

A reporter asked if he regrets the closures due to the recall effort against him, he (predictably) said no and they're going to continue the same approach with the colored tier model.

Overall, the "mood" I picked up from him was not one of lifting business restrictions anytime soon in those tiers and rather was filled with plenty of talk about how the pandemic isn't over/we're not taking down our guard/etc etc. My takeaway is to not expect him to be lifting restrictions anytime soon as he kept referencing the variants and what's happening in Europe.
 
Well, I told myself I wouldn't watch anymore CA press conferences but I had to tune in before I paid off our WDW trip in June just because I wanted to 'read the room' before giving up 100% on a Disneyland summer.... and well.... yikes. "It won't end until we eliminate the virus"- what? The virus is here to stay man.... unfortunately.

ETA: Now I'm feeling apprehensive about what the rest of those guidelines will be when they're done with them... especially about indoor rides. :confused3
 
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Well, I told myself I wouldn't watch anymore CA press conferences but I had to tune in before I paid off our WDW trip in June just because I wanted to 'read the room' before giving up 100% on a Disneyland summer.... and well.... yikes. "It won't end until we eliminate the virus"- what? The virus is here to stay man.... unfortunately.

ETA: Now I'm feeling apprehensive about what the rest of those guidelines will be when they're done with them... especially about indoor rides. :confused3

I don't know what science he is even listening to anymore. NO ONE is talking about "eliminating the virus." I REALLY wish one of these reporters would call him out on this. It's a ridiculous stance. 🙄
 
Disneyland unveils plans for theme park, retail and parking expansion
Disneyland has unveiled long-term plans for theme park, retail and parking expansion as the Anaheim theme park prepares to work with the city to reimagine what the resort district will look like over the next couple decades.

DisneylandForward is Disney’s effort to work with the city to grow the Disneyland resort, update the blueprint for the resort district and propel Anaheim’s economic rebound following the COVID-19 pandemic.

Disney will be asking the city over the next weeks and months for more flexibility in plans approved in the 1990s in order to be able to add a mix of theme park, hotel, retail, dining and entertainment on the eastern and western edges of the Disneyland resort.

Disneyland portfolio executive for Walt Disney Imagineering Jeanette Lomboy said during a media briefing on Thursday, March 25 that the DisneylandForward plan includes what could be possible in the future at the Disneyland resort with more flexibility and approvals from the city.


“Because of the current rigid district structure, we just need more flexibility,” Lomboy said. “We’re excited about the possibilities and ready to dream. Believe me, we have no shortage of ideas, content or stories to tell or build.”

The Immersive Theme Park westside expansion envisions a theme park on the Downtown Disney and Lilo and Stitch parking lots woven amid the Disneyland Hotel and Paradise Pier Hotel.

Disney officials described the west-side site bounded by Katella Avenue, Walnut Street, Magic Way and Disneyland Drive as more of a theme park expansion than a new “third gate.”

Concept art of the west-side site shows a central mountain surrounded by water with buildings interspersed on the south end of the property. A mountain ridge to the west separates the theme park from nearby neighborhoods.

The west-side site links up with Downtown Disney near the unused AMC Theater and ESPN Zone.

Concept art of the northern end of the west-side site includes an Autopia-like car course and a Dumbo-like spinning ride.

The Disney Entertainment Destination east-side expansion would bring together theme park experiences, hotels, retail, dining and entertainment on the Toy Story parking lot next to the Anaheim Convention Center.

The east-side site on the 56-acre Fujishige strawberry-farm-turned-Disney-parking-lot has long been discussed as a possible “third gate” for future theme park expansion.

Concept art of the east-side retail area features a central lagoon surrounded by shops and a low-rise hotel with a parking structure near the corner of Katella Avenue and Haster Street.

“What we do know today is that guests need and want more,” Lomboy said. “In order to give guests what they want, we need more flexibility here in Anaheim. Guests are demanding immersive integrated experiences that are not singular in their uses. We no longer think of uses as separate. Retail, dining, entertainment, theme parks and hotels are all part of the same experiences in the same place. And we need the space in our lands to create story-rich environments.”

The DisneylandForward plan also includes possible new parking along Disney Way.

However, the company’s ambitions will need to be signed off by Anaheim leaders after a back-and-forth planning process that’s expected to last two years before final decisions are made.

Anaheim spokesman Mike Lyster said the city at this point is receptive to updating the zoning around the Disneyland resort and the surrounding tourist district around Harbor Boulevard and Katella Avenue. Rezoning in the 1990s cleared a path for the construction of Disney California Adventure, Downtown Disney and the massive Mickey & Friends Parking Structure.

But restricting land to single uses is seen as outdated as urban planners consider how tourists in 2021 want to be immersed in their destination.

“The easiest way to think about it is we would work with them to look at flexibility, to look at how sites are used under that planning,” Lyster said. “Right now, under the plan, you might have an area designated as ‘hotel,’ you might have another designated as ‘entertainment.’”

Going forward, Disney is looking for “mixed-use” flexibility, Lyster said. “On the same parcel, you’d have a hotel and entertainment, as opposed to two different parcels.”

For example, Disney could build up it’s Toy Story parking lot on Katella Avenue — which is currently being used as a mass coronavirus vaccination site — into a hotel, for which the land is already zoned.

“But with more flexible planning, it could perhaps also house entertainment uses,” which could add sales taxes to future revenue, Lyster said.

The trials of the past pandemic year and the effect on the city’s tourism bloc aren’t lost on the City Council, which voted Tuesday to shore up a $108 million deficit by borrowing up to $210 million.

“In the past year, we have seen what the Disneyland Resort means to Anaheim’s economy and the role it plays in helping us provide vital public services for our residents, neighborhoods and businesses,” Mayor Harry Sidhu said in a statement.

“I welcome fresh thinking about how the Disneyland Resort evolves and how we best maximize this resource for our city,” Sidhu said.

Such rethinking is apparent in plans to rebuild areas around Angel Stadium and the Honda Center into mixed-use blocks of apartments, offices, shops, restaurants and other entertainment over the next decade.

“We see all three complimenting each other,” Lyster said. “We see it as our path to economic recovery in years to come.”

The DisneylandForward presentation included concept art from Disney theme park projects around the globe that provide a “flavor” of what future expansion could look like at the Disneyland resort. The projects presented by Lomboy included the Tangled, Frozen and Peter Pan themed lands coming to Tokyo Disneyland in Japan, the Zootopia themed land, Disneytown retail district and the Tron roller coaster at Shanghai Disneyland in China and Toy Story Land and Disney Springs shopping district at Walt Disney World in Florida.

“We’re not announcing anything specific today as part of DisneylandForward,” Lomboy said. “These kinds of projects should give you a flavor of the types of industry-defining integrated experiences and story-rich lands that we want to bring to Anaheim.”

Disneyland has “only dipped into less than half” of the millions of square feet of theme park and hotel space that has already been approved for the resort district, according to Disney officials.


The DisneylandForward conceptual development plan stays within Disney’s existing 500-acre property in Anaheim with no physical expansion or additional acreage.

“We’re not changing the size of the toast, we’re just spreading the peanut butter around,” according to a Disney official.
 















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