Disneyland at Christmas/Holiday Season Superthread #4

[JadeDarkstar]

darn i was hoping i had helped lol ok thanks for the info

 

[Sherry E]

darn i was hoping i had helped lol ok thanks for the info

Oh, I definitely appreciate you trying to help! There's no doubt about that! And it never hurts to share whatever we hear, whether it is official or complete or not. I just want to make sure that everyone knows that we can't rely on anything the phone CMs or email CMs tell us (or don't tell us) right now. It's just too soon.

Frankly, I am not even sure if the "Select nights Nov. and Dec." that was printed in the decal insert means anything. It might mean absolutely nothing. But even if it means something we will end up finding out about it some other way before hearing about it from those CMs, sadly. I don't know why they are the last to know, but they are the last to know.

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Has everyone read this new update from MiceAge today? - http://micechat.com/72436-marvel-ous-plans-dca-diamonds-ahead-disneyland/



I have to stress that MiceAge is not an official Disney source, and many of their reports, rumors and info have either been incorrect or have never come to fruition in the past, so we cannot rely upon them for set-in-stone Disneyland Resort information. Their articles are always interesting to read, however, and so I bring up their latest for the purposes of discussion, on the heels of our "Select nights Nov. and Dec." discussion!

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Since the mysteriously worded "Select nights Nov. and Dec." insert thing was discussed in this thread over the last few days, I thought it was noteworthy to reiterate that a new nighttime parade is apparently on the horizon for next year (and MiceAge seems to agree) as well as a new Castle show and a new fireworks show.

We will get the official confirmations (or denials?) of these new events on July 17th, when Disney offers a Sneak Peek at the highlights planned for the 60th Anniversary next year, which will be detailed on the Parks Blog and any other Disneyland discussion site (such as The DIS!).

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What does all of this have to do with the holidays and a potential Christmas party, you might wonder.

As I was saying a couple of days ago or so, what I foresee is that Disney could possibly use the new shows taking place in 2015 as a way to make the Christmas Fantasy Parade and Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks more 'exclusive' this year. If they come up with a party this year, they could sell BIHM and CFP as being events that are "going away soon" or some such thing, leaving people scrambling to buy party tickets because they would think that it's the last chance to ever see BIHM and CFP.




The other option is that Disney could have the Christmas party next year, and offer up the CFP and BIHM as party offerings then -- only because all of the other new, non-holiday entertainment will be taking place on every other night.



See, if there were no 60th Anniversary happening next year, using BIHM and CFP as the main selling points for a brand new Christmas party would be tough. But if Disney has some way to make it seem as those two longstanding holiday events are going away or are going to be less available in the near future, they will rope in a lot of people to buy tickets without even having to add in any brand new holiday events to the party. Sad, but true.

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So I am not sure if the puzzling "Select nights Nov. and Dec." from the insert I received means what it sounds like it means for this year, or if it is something that will be more applicable next year.

We may, possibly, get one more season of the "regular" holiday entertainment to which we (the repeat holiday visitors) have become accustomed and then deal with the big changes to the lineup of holiday fare in 2015. Or, things may begin to dramatically change this year, in preparation for next year.

Either way, I think that things are going to be changing for the holiday season in the not-too-distant future. We shall keep our eyes and ears peeled for confirmation of the 60th Anniversary events on July 17th!

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[kylie71]

I am extremely curious to see what the new Night Time parade has to offer us... will not be the MSEP, but maybe just as good?? Dare I say?

I think it's Amazing that June broke all records for AP's buyers, even after the end of the Southern Ca, passes! Just goes to show, how much us West Coaster love Walts Park! It backfired, so what will Disney do next to decrease crowds on Friday and Sunday's??



Thanks Sherry, lots to think about, as always!

--Lori

 

[Sherry E]

I am extremely curious to see what the new Night Time parade has to offer us... will not be the MSEP, but maybe just as good?? Dare I say?

I think it's Amazing that June broke all records for AP's buyers, even after the end of the Southern Ca, passes! Just goes to show, how much us West Coaster love Walts Park! It backfired, so what will Disney do next to decrease crowds on Friday and Sunday's??



Thanks Sherry, lots to think about, as always!

--Lori

Lori --

A nighttime parade on par with MSEP would be cool, but I don't know if it will be as good (and have as catchy a theme song!)!

If MiceAge is correct and there would be a new Castle show too, that would affect the Winter Castle lighting in 2015. I don't know how, but I doubt that Disney is going to spend a bunch of money on a new parade, a new fireworks show, a new Castle show and a new version of World of Color just to have to shelve all of that entertainment when the holiday season rolls around.

So our holiday season in 2015 could look very different than it has in the past, and this year could be the party to see all of the events "before they go away" (on "Select nights Nov. and Dec.")!

I don't know what Disney will do to combat the crowd issues. They don't want empty parks, and the locals and AP holders make up a huge portion of their visitor base. There has to be some sort of happy medium, though, so that everyone is happy and not miserable or inconvenienced too horribly.

 

[kkmcan]

I am really hoping and praying that they don't start a party this year. Its our first trip (already booked) in Nov to see the holiday décor. We've waited years to be able to go during this time and we are finally seeing it before our daughter heads off to college next year.

I don't want to spend an extra $200-$300 to see the holiday parade and fireworks. We are already stretching our budget going a month before Christmas as it is. Ugh!

BTW, we loved the Halloween party at DL but didn't care at all for the Christmas party at WDW.

 

[Sherry E]

I am really hoping and praying that they don't start a party this year. Its our first trip (already booked) in Nov to see the holiday décor. We've waited years to be able to go during this time and we are finally seeing it before our daughter heads off to college next year.

I don't want to spend an extra $200-$300 to see the holiday parade and fireworks. We are already stretching our budget going a month before Christmas as it is. Ugh!

BTW, we loved the Halloween party at DL but didn't care at all for the Christmas party at WDW.

kkmcan --

I am hoping -- for your sake and for all involved -- that we can get one more holiday season of "usual" holiday fare, including the Christmas Fantasy Parade and the Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks, as well as a regular schedule for the Winter Castle lighting. I am hoping that Disney doesn't take the approach of: "See these beloved holiday treasures one last time, before they go away, at a special Christmas party -- for the low price of $60 a pop."

We know that the party will be coming eventually -- and next year it would make more sense to have the Christmas parade and fireworks as part of a party if the 60th anniversary parade and fireworks are taking place on all of the other nights.

And yet...that puzzling "Select nights Nov. and Dec." reference that was in my Disney Side decal insert is what is making me think -- along with what Escape2Disney's source in the travel industry told her a while back -- that something "out of the ordinary" is happening this year.

 

[mvf-m11c]

I don't like to believe the Miceage blogs since they are all about rumors. There are times when they are right and times when they are not right.

It will be very nice to have a nighttime parade at DL or DCA after Electrical Parade was taken to WDW after one year in DCA in 2009. It was sad that the EP only stayed at DCA for one year and moved to WDW. I like the tradition CF parade and BIHM fireworks since it is a classic and still never gets old during the holiday season. I might have to think about going twice during the holiday season if those two shows are going to be there for this year and will be discontinued next year. We'll just have to wait until TDA makes an official announcement.

A new castle show like "Celebrate the Magic! Castle Projection show" at the MK will be very nice to have at DL after "The Magic, The Memories and You! left IASW a couple of years ago. The only problem of a new castle show like the MK version is that will it effect the Winter Castle lighting during the holiday season and you can barely even see SB Castle down on MS unlike at the MK where there aren't too many tree obstructing the castle. It does make more sense to put the projection show at IASW where it is easier to see the facade of IASW and that was where The Magic, The memories and You was at for a few years.

Very interesting that the AP sales didn't decreased but increased instead with the SoCal AP taken out and increase prices. During my trip last month when using my AP, I did see quite a lot of people in the parks with AP's and at the ticket booths.

 

[AmberStar]

My heart is aching... the idea that we have spent SO MUCH money to already plan our christmas trip and we might be kicked out early some nights due to a christmas party makes me sad. THIS (the trip) IS my kids christmas present. We wanted an experience not plastic and I have just paid off 90 percent of the trip. No way we can change things now with our time off already requested.

Its heartbreaking really that I might be punished for planning so far in advance. I really do hope things stay the same. Its a first visit for my two youngest who we have been measuring weekly for the past year. Upon hitting 41 inches we said that this was the year. I just want it to be as extra magical as possible and with already short hours in the winter having them be shortened anymore would be very disappointing.

 

[mom2rtk]

My heart is aching... the idea that we have spent SO MUCH money to already plan our christmas trip and we might be kicked out early some nights due to a christmas party makes me sad. THIS (the trip) IS my kids christmas present. We wanted an experience not plastic and I have just paid off 90 percent of the trip. No way we can change things now with our time off already requested.

Its heartbreaking really that I might be punished for planning so far in advance. I really do hope things stay the same. Its a first visit for my two youngest who we have been measuring weekly for the past year. Upon hitting 41 inches we said that this was the year. I just want it to be as extra magical as possible and with already short hours in the winter having them be shortened anymore would be very disappointing.

If they were to put a party in one of the parks, the other would likely still be open. So as long as you have hoppers, you won't be out of luck.

 

[KCmike]

The more I hear about the 60th anniversary the more stoked I get! New fireworks, parade, and fantasyland upgrades sound like fun to me as well as some 60th anniversary bling!

If they would go hard ticket on us for Christmas they better pull out all the stops and add extra stuff.

 

[ACDSNY]

I wasn't thrilled with WDW Christmas party so I doubt we'll be interested in one at Disneyland. I'm fed up being nickeled and dimed for things with little value.

 

[Sherry E]

I don't like to believe the Miceage blogs since they are all about rumors. There are times when they are right and times when they are not right.

It will be very nice to have a nighttime parade at DL or DCA after Electrical Parade was taken to WDW after one year in DCA in 2009. It was sad that the EP only stayed at DCA for one year and moved to WDW. I like the tradition CF parade and BIHM fireworks since it is a classic and still never gets old during the holiday season. I might have to think about going twice during the holiday season if those two shows are going to be there for this year and will be discontinued next year. We'll just have to wait until TDA makes an official announcement.

A new castle show like "Celebrate the Magic! Castle Projection show" at the MK will be very nice to have at DL after "The Magic, The Memories and You! left IASW a couple of years ago. The only problem of a new castle show like the MK version is that will it effect the Winter Castle lighting during the holiday season and you can barely even see SB Castle down on MS unlike at the MK where there aren't too many tree obstructing the castle. It does make more sense to put the projection show at IASW where it is easier to see the facade of IASW and that was where The Magic, The memories and You was at for a few years.

Very interesting that the AP sales didn't decreased but increased instead with the SoCal AP taken out and increase prices. During my trip last month when using my AP, I did see quite a lot of people in the parks with AP's and at the ticket booths.

Bret --

The Castle thing is what I am really curious about. Well, I'm curious about all of the 60th anniversary entertainment because I know it will somehow affect the holiday season schedule in 2015, but I am wondering if the "Enchantment Lighting" of the Castle will end up being held hostage to a hard ticket party, along with CFP, BIHM and snowfall on Main Street, etc. I wonder if we will not be able to see the Castle shimmer in icicle lights unless we buy party tickets. If there is a new Castle show for the 60th anniversary, I can't see Disneyland only running it from May through early November and then stopping it so the holiday season can go forward as usual. They would probably run it through the end of the year.

BIHM did not take place at all in 2005 because of the 50th anniversary, so it is likely to be affected by the 60th anniversary too.

My heart is aching... the idea that we have spent SO MUCH money to already plan our christmas trip and we might be kicked out early some nights due to a christmas party makes me sad. THIS (the trip) IS my kids christmas present. We wanted an experience not plastic and I have just paid off 90 percent of the trip. No way we can change things now with our time off already requested.

Its heartbreaking really that I might be punished for planning so far in advance. I really do hope things stay the same. Its a first visit for my two youngest who we have been measuring weekly for the past year. Upon hitting 41 inches we said that this was the year. I just want it to be as extra magical as possible and with already short hours in the winter having them be shortened anymore would be very disappointing.

AmberStar --



Well, so far we have no actual, official facts to tell us that a party is happening at any point, but next year would be more likely for a party than this year. Just stringing clues together and looking ahead to how the 2015 holiday season could go is only a possible indicator that this year's season could, maybe, be affected in some way too, but we have no information to back that up. This year may not be affected at all.

Hopefully nothing will change this year, and that the crazy "Select nights Nov. and Dec." sentence in my decal insert meant nothing. Hopefully Escape2Disney's travel industry source was mistaken, and there is no Christmas party coming this year -- at least not a party that would affect/interrupt anything that we already expect to be in place at DLR for the season. I hope that things stay the same, with the regular holiday entertainment in place, this year, and that Disney will hold off on any parties until next year.

Either way, I still think that if any kind of major, season-impacting party is coming this year, we will hear about it either this month or next month, at the latest. If we have not heard about a major, multi-night party by the end of August, we are probably in the clear for 2014.

I think you'd still have a great time, even if the Christmas Fantasy Parade and Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks suddenly got stuck in a party. There is a lot of holiday magic to be enjoyed and experienced at DLR in November and December. I still kind of think that something else needs to be added into DCA as far as a major holiday draw (Winter Dreams just isn't enough), but there is still a lot to do and see.

The more I hear about the 60th anniversary the more stoked I get! New fireworks, parade, and fantasyland upgrades sound like fun to me as well as some 60th anniversary bling!

If they would go hard ticket on us for Christmas they better pull out all the stops and add extra stuff.

Mike --

I think the new night parade, new fireworks and other things will be great (if they are, indeed, happening and confirmed by Disney on July 17th)!

Still, there is no denying that people who visit for the holidays want to see the snow fall on Main Street, see the Castle aglow in icicle lights, etc. I think that Disney won't need to add too many extra things to a hard ticket party if they start it in the year of the 60th anniversary. They would simply run all of the new entertainment for the 60th every night, and have select Christmas party nights in which people can enjoy snow, the Winter Castle lighting, the Christmas Fantasy Parade and the Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks.

That's how I suspect they will do it. If there were no 60th anniversary happening, sticking those longstanding (a.k.a. OLD) holiday highlights in a hard ticket party would be a tougher sell. I think that Disney can get away with it in the 60th anniversary year, though. And beyond the 60th, what they would then do in future years is say, "Since you loved our Christmas party so much in 2015, it is back by popular demand in 2016!"

I wasn't thrilled with WDW Christmas party so I doubt we'll be interested in one at Disneyland. I'm fed up being nickeled and dimed for things with little value.

Angela --



I've never been to WDW, so I have only read about MVMCP. You're one of the few who has spoken up about not liking it! It seems that most people love it.

Personally, I would probably not pay to see A Christmas Fantasy Parade and Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks at a hard ticket party -- even if they were going away for a long time -- because I've seen them and they are not enough to warrant buying a party ticket, even in the 60th anniversary year. However, I would really miss seeing the Castle lit up in icicles and the snow fall on Main Street if those were suddenly held hostage to a party too -- and yet, I don't think I would pay for those either.

It's weird to think of so many standard holiday highlights of every single Disneyland holiday season suddenly (possibly) becoming part of a party at some point in the future, but with the 60th anniversary on the horizon I can picture it happening.

 

[Natara]

I stumbled upon this article on Yahoo about the kids that voiced the Peanuts in the original holiday specials (It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, A Charlie Brown Christmas, and A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving). For those who loved the holiday Peanuts specials (like me), it might be of some interest.

 

[dolphingirl47]

It will be very nice to have a nighttime parade at DL or DCA after Electrical Parade was taken to WDW after one year in DCA in 2009. It was sad that the EP only stayed at DCA for one year and moved to WDW.

That does not sound right. I remember very clearly seeing the Main Street Electrical Parade at California Adventure. We went to Disneyland first in 2002 and then returned in 2004 and 2006. We then had a break of a number of years as we bought DVC at WDW and discovered DCL and did not go back until September 2011. So I could not have seen it there in 2009. I think it was in 2004, but it may have been in 2006.

Corinna

 

[petals]

That does not sound right. I remember very clearly seeing the Main Street Electrical Parade at California Adventure. We went to Disneyland first in 2002 and then returned in 2004 and 2006. We then had a break of a number of years as we bought DVC at WDW and discovered DCL and did not go back until September 2011. So I could not have seen it there in 2009. I think it was in 2004, but it may have been in 2006.

Corinna

From my 2010 pics ELP was in WDW then. 2008 was Spectro in WDW

 

[siskaren]

It will be very nice to have a nighttime parade at DL or DCA after Electrical Parade was taken to WDW after one year in DCA in 2009. It was sad that the EP only stayed at DCA for one year and moved to WDW.

I've got pictures of the EP at DCA in 2001.

but I am wondering if the "Enchantment Lighting" of the Castle will end up being held hostage to a hard ticket party, along with CFP, BIHM and snowfall on Main Street, etc. I wonder if we will not be able to see the Castle shimmer in icicle lights unless we buy party tickets.

You don't have to buy party tickets to see the castle lighting at WDW; it happens every night about 6:00, maybe 6:15. (The party starts at 7:00.)

 

[mvf-m11c]

Bret --

The Castle thing is what I am really curious about. Well, I'm curious about all of the 60th anniversary entertainment because I know it will somehow affect the holiday season schedule in 2015, but I am wondering if the "Enchantment Lighting" of the Castle will end up being held hostage to a hard ticket party, along with CFP, BIHM and snowfall on Main Street, etc. I wonder if we will not be able to see the Castle shimmer in icicle lights unless we buy party tickets. If there is a new Castle show for the 60th anniversary, I can't see Disneyland only running it from May through early November and then stopping it so the holiday season can go forward as usual. They would probably run it through the end of the year.

BIHM did not take place at all in 2005 because of the 50th anniversary, so it is likely to be affected by the 60th anniversary too.

It will be sad if DL takes the "Enchantment Lighting" show during the holiday season and make it part of the party event. It is part of the holiday tradition at DL and it won't be the same. I'm getting even more curious of what is going to happen for the 60th Anniversary and we'll just wait until we get more information. I can't see the same thing with the Castle lighting show going from May to early November when it gets to the holiday season and likely go during the holiday season.

I know that BIHM fireworks did not run in 2005 during DL 50th Anniversary where RDCT ran during the holiday season.

That does not sound right. I remember very clearly seeing the Main Street Electrical Parade at California Adventure. We went to Disneyland first in 2002 and then returned in 2004 and 2006. We then had a break of a number of years as we bought DVC at WDW and discovered DCL and did not go back until September 2011. So I could not have seen it there in 2009. I think it was in 2004, but it may have been in 2006.

Corinna

I've got pictures of the EP at DCA in 2001.

My mistake typo error. Thank you for correcting me. DEP began in 2001 during DCA first year. I meant to say after the upgrades with the new Tinker Bell float and enhancements to the show back in 2009 and one year later the parade was moved to WDW replacing SpectroMagic. 2009 was during Summertastic with the upgraded Fantasmic! show with Murphy the dragon, Flotsam & Jetsam, & Tick-Tock the Crocodile. Can't forget about Magical fireworks which debut that summertime as well.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

It will be sad if DL takes the "Enchantment Lighting" show during the holiday season and make it part of the party event. It is part of the holiday tradition at DL and it won't be the same. I'm getting even more curious of what is going to happen for the 60th Anniversary and we'll just wait until we get more information. I can't see the same thing with the Castle lighting show going from May to early November when it gets to the holiday season and likely go during the holiday season. I know that BIHM fireworks did not run in 2005 during DL 50th Anniversary where RDCT ran during the holiday season.

I completely agree. I won't be happy, but I can handle both the parade and BIHM fireworks becoming part of a hard ticket party, but I'm not ok at all with Enchantment Lighting becoming a part of it.

I guess if the parade becomes a part of the hard ticket party, the Holiday Tour will only be offered on party days, in conjunction with the party? Or they'll have to offer another selling point - for us the actual chairs for the parade is the biggest selling point. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

ok i hope for a party this year but i don't want it to mess the rest of the holidays up for others. i hope they don't take old things and put it in the party i also would like the party in dca.

 

[Sherry E]

Let me just say that, while I am a big advocate of Halloween, of Halloween Time and of most non-gory/bloody Halloween-ish things, one of the reasons Christmas and the holiday season have an edge over Halloween for me is that, quite simply, Christmas doesn't terrify me and scare me away from my Facebook page!

I started a new Facebook page (which is where I am going to put all of my Disney-related and DISboards friends and peeps) and am in the process of building it up by adding all my "Liked" pages. I have not added any friends to it yet, or any photos, but I will. So far I have just been liking/following a bunch of pages, commenting on them and joining groups.

In the process of liking things I have been randomly clicking on assorted Halloween and Christmas-related pages (I found one called "I love the fall and winter holidays" -- did they create that just for me?). I signed on last night and scrolled down the News Feed. I stopped for a moment to admire a lovely photo posted by an awesome Facebook page called "Christmas around the World." I kept scrolling down the Feed...and then gasped in horror.

One of the Halloween-related pages that I "liked" -- and I can't even remember which one it was -- posted a freakish, awful photo of a dog dressed up as -- or morphed into -- a spider. They may have actually superimposed the dog onto the photo of the spider, but I didn't want to stare too closely at it to be able to tell what was done. We're not talking a cheesy spider made of tin foil or something. This was a spider with hairy, menacing legs and a dog's face. It was just creepy -- and not in a good way. Ick!

I was furiously trying to get that awful post/photo off of my News Feed and go back to looking at the nice, pretty holiday photos that wouldn't give me nightmares!!

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I stumbled upon this article on Yahoo about the kids that voiced the Peanuts in the original holiday specials (It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, A Charlie Brown Christmas, and A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving). For those who loved the holiday Peanuts specials (like me), it might be of some interest.

Natara --

That's a great article (and it looks like it was just posted in the last day or so)! Thank you so much for posting it -- you know I am a fan of Peanuts too! Not only is the information in the piece very interesting, but so are many of the comments left underneath it.

Did you see the comment made by one person who said that he (she?) received a personal letter and drawing from Charles Schulz as a child, and then later THREW THEM AWAY?? I shed tears when Charles Schulz passed away, and I would have loved to have a personal letter and drawing from him! Even in my phases of throwing things out, I doubt I would have ever gotten rid of something that was personally written and drawn for me, by one of my childhood heroes! That person who threw the letter and drawing out will never see them again!

You don't have to buy party tickets to see the castle lighting at WDW; it happens every night about 6:00, maybe 6:15. (The party starts at 7:00.)

siskaren --

Hopefully that's how it will be handled at DL if ever there is a party in a non-60th anniversary year. If there is a party during the 60th next year, and part of the events for the 60th include a new Castle show, I wonder if the Enchantment Lighting of the Castle would be saved for a party and then re-integrated into the regular holiday schedule again in 2016? Time will tell!

It will be sad if DL takes the "Enchantment Lighting" show during the holiday season and make it part of the party event. It is part of the holiday tradition at DL and it won't be the same. I'm getting even more curious of what is going to happen for the 60th Anniversary and we'll just wait until we get more information. I can't see the same thing with the Castle lighting show going from May to early November when it gets to the holiday season and likely go during the holiday season.

I know that BIHM fireworks did not run in 2005 during DL 50th Anniversary where RDCT ran during the holiday season.

Bret --

My feeling is that if the Enchantment Lighting of the Castle were going to be interrupted/affected, it would probably just be during the 60th anniversary year so that a new Castle show could run on non-party nights (if there were also going to be a party). I suspect that Disneyland would probably go back to lighting the Castle every night during the holiday season after the 60th was over.

The snowfall on Main Street, in front of IASWH and in NOS, on the other hand, would probably be held hostage to a party.

I completely agree. I won't be happy, but I can handle both the parade and BIHM fireworks becoming part of a hard ticket party, but I'm not ok at all with Enchantment Lighting becoming a part of it.

I guess if the parade becomes a part of the hard ticket party, the Holiday Tour will only be offered on party days, in conjunction with the party? Or they'll have to offer another selling point - for us the actual chairs for the parade is the biggest selling point. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Jamie --

I wonder what would happen with the tour as well, IF a party comes to fruition this year or next year.

I suppose that what could, perhaps, happen is that Disney offers seating for the "new night parade" during the 60th anniversary next year as one of the tour perks, as well as all of the other things that come with the tour. And then, maybe for party nights, there could be seats for the Christmas Fantasy Parade.

If a new night parade is coming next year and it runs twice in a night, I wonder if Disney would still put on some other sort of parade in the daytime? Would they run Christmas Fantasy Parade in the daytime, or something else...or nothing else?

It will, indeed, be interesting to see how this all plays out, both this year and next year. Right now it's all speculation and stringing the "clues" together...

First, we had the info from Carrie/Escape2Disney a while back, which was relayed to her from her source in the travel industry, indicating that DLR is having a Christmas party this year (something that I thought was incorrect).

Then, the mysteriously worded "Holidays at Disneyland Resort - Select nights Nov. and Dec." sentence popped up on the Disney Side decal mailing insert. It might mean absolutely nothing at all, and was just a poor choice of phrasing, but in connection with what Carrie/Escape2Disney already heard a while back, it is definitely worthy of analysis!

Then, there is also the fact that the Annual Pass Backstage Pass newsletter/magazine/calendar (which should have start dates of Halloween Time, the MHP and the holiday season) has not shown up yet, even though we are now in summer and there should have been a summer issue. That leads me to think that BP is being held back until all dates are finalized and announced (if there is anything announcement-worthy happening this year).

Add to all of that the fact that we know -- with almost no uncertainty -- that the 60th anniversary events will in some way impact the holiday season events, and...

Well, it's just a big waiting game from this point forward!

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ETA: Wow -- 14 nights of the MHP this year (up from 13 nights last year)!! See, if there were to be a Christmas party this year and/or next year, I'm not sure if Disney would start out with 14 nights right off the bat. They used to do 10 or 11 nights of the MHP, and the number of nights grew over the years.

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