Disneyland at Christmas/Holiday Season Superthread #3!- HOLIDAYS BEGIN 11/12/13!!

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For any of the newcomers to the thread, who have perhaps not had a chance to skim the previous pages...

It's time to momentarily interrupt our Theme Week Countdown to recap what we know about the Holiday 2013 season, much of which has been discussed in this thread, thus far.

You will notice that I added in a Haunted Mansion Holiday paragraph. It was something that PHXscuba happened to mention yesterday (she read about it in the Disney Rewards/Visa newsletter). After reading my copy of the newsletter I later found the PDF file online, for anyone who wants to read it.



1. Official: According to the most recent AP Backstage Pass newsletter/magazine and the Disney Parks Blog, the holiday season is going to officially begin on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 (the end date is Monday, January 6, 2014). As this came from two official Disney sources we have to assume it is true, although the same BP newsletter was recently incorrect about the start date of the MHP, and Disneyland News recently claimed that the season begins on 11/15, so...who knows? In any event, most likely some of the in-park holiday merriment will be going on a few days before 11/12 (unofficially!);



2. Official (but maybe not completely set in stone?): According to an official internal letter that Disney sent out to various choir directors and participants of the Candlelight Ceremony a few months ago, the Ceremony will take place on Sat., 12/7 and Sun., 12/8 in Town Square this year. No mention was made in the letter of any other Ceremony dates, but the letter recipients were told that they would get more details in August. Rumors include: 1)That more Ceremony dates will be added, possibly in DCA; 2)That the new management doesn't want to have any more than 2 nights of the Ceremony; 3)That the Ceremony is being scaled back to 2 nights so that a possible Christmas party in DL may take place over multiple nights; and 4)That the Ceremony of last year (20 nights) prevented Main Street businesses from earning revenue and that's why only 2 nights this year;



3. Official! (announced by the Disney Parks Blog and Disneyland News): An all-holiday World of Color (called World of Color -- Winter Dreams) is headed our way, with a start date of Friday, 11/15/13. Previous rumors had indicated that this Yuletide version of WoC would begin on 11/8. There are always chances for a soft opening of Winter Dreams when the holiday season begins on 11/12 (pending further notice);



4. Official (from the Disney Rewards Visa Fall 2013 Newsletter/booklet, in an article entitled "13 Years of Delightful Frights"): Haunted Mansion Holiday's 13th year (it opened in 2001) will be recognized with new effects and surprises!

Here is the PDF file of the newsletter: http://disneyrewards.com/pdf/newsletteraug13.pdf

In case you cannot open that file, the highlights are:

  • While little surprises are added to HMH every year, this year is "one of the biggest refreshes" Disney has ever created;
  • There will be a new animation effect in the Stretching Portrait Gallery, involving shattered stained glass windows and a peek-a-BOO appearance by master of scaremonies, Jack Skellington;
  • This year's gingerbread house in the dining/ballroom focuses on HMH's 13 years of delightfully frightful fun;
  • Groups of 13 holiday surprises from skulls and snappy plants to slinky ribbons have been added in every room. Look sharp to find them all; and
  • A specially designed HMH pin and a decorate-it-yourself Zombie cookie kit will be available at the Nightmare Before Christmas merchandise cart, outside the Mansion.



5. Rumor - Very Unlikely for 2013 (mostly from MiceChat): A possible Christmas Party. Supposedly the all-Holiday WoC will provide the "alternative" holiday entertainment to those who do not wish to attend a hard ticket Christmas party in Disneyland. Yes, the rumor mill seemed to be buzzing with whispers of a Christmas party coming our way this year, which would supposedly take the longstanding Christmas Fantasy Parade, Believe in Holiday Magic Fireworks and snowfall on Main Street and make them party exclusives. We have no proof that this will happen in 2013 and at this point it is highly unlikely that it will happen, though I think that most of us believe that a Christmas party of some sort is inevitable -- probably in 2014 or 2015.

I think that IF a major, multi-night Christmas party (that is going to change the face of the existing seasonal entertainment) is coming, we would hear about it (officially, from Disney) by sometime this month -- maybe even late August. They could be so bold as to wait until September, but that would just be silly...and annoying.

It is quite possible that Disney will run the holiday WoC this year and gauge how popular it is or is not with the crowds. Then, if it is a success, they could either hold a party in DCA next year and make WoC the party exclusive, or they could create a party in DL and make the WoC in DCA the alternative choice.

I tend to feel that a party in Disneyland would have to have some new 'material,' as it were, so as not to enrage the holiday visitors who have been going to the parks in November and December for years and years, and who have come to expect to see the holiday fireworks and parade as part of the regular seasonal entertainment. I think Disney will be making a big mistake if they try to take an almost 20-year old parade and an almost 13-year-old fireworks show and make people suddenly pay extra to see them. It would be much more effective if they put together an all-new holiday parade and an all-new holiday fireworks show for the party. That would work for existing holiday visitors and new visitors alike!; and



6. Speculation (mainly by me!:rotfl2:): Limited Time Magic. How and where is this year-long celebration going to fit in to the holiday season, and what will be included in it? So far we know of LTM events happening up to 9/13 -- the Unleash the Villains/13th Hour event at the start of the Halloween Time season. I think that a LTM event of some kind -- maybe more than one -- will have to be included somewhere in the holiday season. As to when -- who knows? Disney could run a LTM holiday event during a week that is typically less crowded to lure guests in -- like early November or the week immediately after Thanksgiving weekend ends -- or they could start it at the very beginning of the season to kick it off. I don't think a LTM event would take place during Christmas week or New Year's week, as those times are busy enough.

Could it be that Limited Time Magic may somehow be tied in with a sort of 'mini-party' event? Maybe a short-run Christmas party type of thing that just takes place on a few nights during one week, maximum, and then ends quickly could be a good way to test the waters and see how popular the idea of a Christmas party is or is not, for future reference.:idea:

If there is just a little mini-Limited Time Magic thing happening, Disney could wait even longer to let us know about it...though that would be silly too!:rotfl2:



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Now we sit, patiently, and wait for more news and rumors to trickle in!:hyper:

The current Theme Week Countdown will help to pass the time in between bits of info/news/rumors/discussion over the next few months!!:cool1:


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What a selection of marvelous pictures! What a treat! Thank you all for posting.

On another note, I know some of you were interested in purchasing 2013 dated Christmas items on your trips to DLR this Holiday, but were concerned if there would be any merchandise left by the time you got there.

Disney Store online is having a 40% discount on dated 2013 merchandise, including Christmas ornaments. Use code MAGIC40 when checking out. Here is the link: Disney Store Online.
 
Disney Store online is having a 40% discount on dated 2013 merchandise, including Christmas ornaments. Use code MAGIC40 when checking out. Here is the link: Disney Store Online.

I went to look and the ornament I bought last month with their sale is now sold out. I was worried I would have saved money had I waited, but I'm so glad I didn't (it is the 2013 Mickey photo-holder ornament to commemorate our 2013 trips). Phew!
 
Very nice pictures Mikey from HMH.



It is a good chance that F! will be running during your trip on the weekdays on the 16th to 19th. The third week of December is the full season mode on the weekdays and will have all the different shows running. With the schedule at DL going from 8am to 12am, there will be two shows of F! running at 9pm and 10:15pm.

Even though I have never went during the third week of December during all my times going to the Holiday season, I look at previous park hours and it shows that they will have F! running during the third week on the weekdays.

Hope this helps.

Whew! Thanks!
 

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TK & Jamie --

I was shocked to see that U-Verse doesn't have Hallmark (not even the basic channel, let alone the Movie Channel)! I've gotten so used to seeing it the channel line-up on Time Warner that I had no clue it wasn't available with certain other providers. I just assumed it was part of basic cable, like Lifetime is.

I do have UVerse and we USED to have both of those Hallmark channels...but there were some kind of negotiation issues between the two companies and guess who lost out? All of us :(

BTW, I am getting more and more excited with each photo I view. Every photo is a work of art. I am feeling the butterflies at the anticipation of my first trip to DL!
 
And someday I hope to see the truly enormous Mickey-head wreath on the Contemporary Hotel in WDW. That's on the Disney bucket list for sure -- a trip to WDW at Christmastime. Think of all of the trees and wreaths there! :faint:

PHXscuba

I can't tell you how amazing WDW is at Christmastime.....this year I am excited to be able to see DL and DCA at Christmastime :)

When we (hubby and I) went to WDW last December we did everything there was to do holiday-wise (horse-drawn sleigh ride, MVMCP, Candlelight Processional Package, Tomorrowland Wishes Dessert Party, Illuminations cruise).....and all of the deluxe resorts' christmas decorations...... we did this in 8 days, all 4 parks......lots of signature dining, too. Let's just say I ran my poor husband ragged :lmao: I know we are both looking forward to enjoying a slower paced, relaxing disneyfied vacation this year!
 
5. Rumor - Very Unlikely for 2013 (mostly from MiceChat): A possible Christmas Party. Supposedly the all-Holiday WoC will provide the "alternative" holiday entertainment to those who do not wish to attend a hard ticket Christmas party in Disneyland. Yes, the rumor mill seemed to be buzzing with whispers of a Christmas party coming our way this year, which would supposedly take the longstanding Christmas Fantasy Parade, Believe in Holiday Magic Fireworks and snowfall on Main Street and make them party exclusives. We have no proof that this will happen in 2013 and at this point it is highly unlikely that it will happen, though I think that most of us believe that a Christmas party of some sort is inevitable -- probably in 2014 or 2015.

I think that IF a major, multi-night Christmas party (that is going to change the face of the existing seasonal entertainment) is coming, we would hear about it (officially, from Disney) by sometime this month -- maybe even late August. They could be so bold as to wait until September, but that would just be silly...and annoying.

It is quite possible that Disney will run the holiday WoC this year and gauge how popular it is or is not with the crowds. Then, if it is a success, they could either hold a party in DCA next year and make WoC the party exclusive, or they could create a party in DL and make the WoC in DCA the alternative choice.

I tend to feel that a party in Disneyland would have to have some new 'material,' as it were, so as not to enrage the holiday visitors who have been going to the parks in November and December for years and years, and who have come to expect to see the holiday fireworks and parade as part of the regular seasonal entertainment. I think Disney will be making a big mistake if they try to take an almost 20-year old parade and an almost 13-year-old fireworks show and make people suddenly pay extra to see them. It would be much more effective if they put together an all-new holiday parade and an all-new holiday fireworks show for the party. That would work for existing holiday visitors and new visitors alike!

This is probably not the popular opinion, but I'm hoping there is no party this year only because this is my first Christmas out in disneyland and I was really wanted to have the snow and Christmas feel without the extra fee and stress of getting tickets for the party. :(. I'm sure I'll enjoy it still if they do have one but them waiting a year wouldn't make me too upset! Lol!
 
Whew! Thanks!

Pesky -

I also replied to you on the previous page -- you may have missed it when the page flipped, but I'm not sure!:goodvibes



I do have UVerse and we USED to have both of those Hallmark channels...but there were some kind of negotiation issues between the two companies and guess who lost out? All of us :(

BTW, I am getting more and more excited with each photo I view. Every photo is a work of art. I am feeling the butterflies at the anticipation of my first trip to DL!

Kathy --

I replied to your questions about packages and discounts on the previous page, last night-- hopefully you saw that!

From what I could gather by poking around online, it appears as though U-Verse cut off at least the basic Hallmark Channel 3 years ago (don't know if the Hallmark Movie Channel went with it or if HMC went out earlier). Does that sound about right, in relation to when you lost the channels? If AT&T hasn't gotten back even one of those channels by now it seems they must not feel it is a worthwhile investment.:mad:

So that is the one thing that is keeping me from dumping Time Warner like a bad habit and moving to U-Verse -- the lack of the Hallmark Channel, meaning not being able to enjoy the Hallmark Countdown to Christmas in November and December!:mad: I can't get Fios in my area, and we're not allowed to have any satellite dishes mounted on the building I live in so that rules out both DISH and DirecTV. My only options are TWC and U-Verse. TWC still doesn't have CBS or Showtime back in the line-up, which is crazy...but they have the 2 Hallmark Channels. (I shouldn't question it, but isn't that weird? TWC has 2 Hallmark Channels...but no CBS???:confused3)

Were you able to get up to page 62 of this thread, which is where the first Theme Week of this year began last week? Since Monday of last week it has pretty much been a photo stream, between the two theme weeks (Trees/Wreaths & New Orleans Square/Haunted Mansion Holiday). In 5 days there will be an all new theme for the week!

We have some wonderful, talented photographers on the board in general -- and in this thread. I know what you mean -- many of the photos that we have seen here are exactly like works of art. Or "gallery-worthy," as I like to call them.

After this week we have 18 more themes to go, so there is a lot more holiday anticipation and excitement coming up!:cool1:

I can't tell you how amazing WDW is at Christmastime.....this year I am excited to be able to see DL and DCA at Christmastime :)

When we (hubby and I) went to WDW last December we did everything there was to do holiday-wise (horse-drawn sleigh ride, MVMCP, Candlelight Processional Package, Tomorrowland Wishes Dessert Party, Illuminations cruise).....and all of the deluxe resorts' christmas decorations...... we did this in 8 days, all 4 parks......lots of signature dining, too. Let's just say I ran my poor husband ragged :lmao: I know we are both looking forward to enjoying a slower paced, relaxing disneyfied vacation this year!

Kathy --

I have to agree with PHXscuba. A holiday WDW trip is on my Disney bucket list as well. I absolutely adore the holiday season and I would want to do every single one one of those things you just listed off and more! I would need a good 2 weeks or so, to really get into the details!

Some WDW holiday vets go to DLR and end up not enjoying it as much because there is not as much to DLR as there is to WDW. I think it was WDW holiday vet pixleyyy who said that DLR's holiday celebration did not feel as immersive and all-encompassing (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the idea). Other WDW holiday vets come back from their DLR holiday trips and love them, and they appreciate the differences between the 2 Resorts.

I hope you fall into the latter category and end up loving DLR's holiday season -- even though it is not on the level of WDW's festivities.


This is probably not the popular opinion, but I'm hoping there is no party this year only because this is my first Christmas out in disneyland and I was really wanted to have the snow and Christmas feel without the extra fee and stress of getting tickets for the party. :(. I'm sure I'll enjoy it still if they do have one but them waiting a year wouldn't make me too upset! Lol!

misskay --

It's the popular opinion with me!:rotfl2: I have stated many times in this thread -- to the point where people are probably sick of me saying it -- that I don't think DLR is ready for a full-scale Christmas party yet. If I am going to feel tempted to buy tickets for a party, I want there to be all new entertainment. I don't want to pay $50 or $60 for a party filled with things I have already experienced for years!

There are reasons why the Halloween party works, and why it is necessary to Halloween season. A Christmas party -- especially one that includes events that have been around for years and years -- would make a big dent in the holiday festivities. If the snow, fireworks and parade were suddenly held hostage to a party (not to mention nighttime access to Haunted Mansion Holiday and It's a Small World Holiday) and all we were left with was Winter Dreams in DCA, that doesn't seem like an even trade-off to me. Disney has to start kicking up the seasonal entertainment a notch, and adding in new things!

But, eventually, a party will come to DLR. We all know it is coming. I just really don't think this will be the year for it. There have to be enough viable options for holiday entertainment in the other park to keep people who do not attend the party happy.
 
This is probably not the popular opinion, but I'm hoping there is no party this year only because this is my first Christmas out in disneyland and I was really wanted to have the snow and Christmas feel without the extra fee and stress of getting tickets for the party. :(. I'm sure I'll enjoy it still if they do have one but them waiting a year wouldn't make me too upset! Lol!

It's the popular opinion with me too! The things that are speculated to go into the party (fireworks, snow, parade) are things we've been enjoying for years (personally). Watching my children as they watch the snow come down and watching the castle light are up are all a part of why we love the holiday season at DL. It's inevitable that a party is coming, but I hope we get at least this one year without it.
 
This is probably not the popular opinion, but I'm hoping there is no party this year only because this is my first Christmas out in disneyland and I was really wanted to have the snow and Christmas feel without the extra fee and stress of getting tickets for the party. :(. I'm sure I'll enjoy it still if they do have one but them waiting a year wouldn't make me too upset! Lol!

I would agree this is probably the popular opinion - who wants to pay even MORE $$ when we are already shelling out hundreds for park tickets, not to mention hotel, food, gas/plane tickets, etc!?!?!?!?
 
I replied to your questions about packages and discounts on the previous page, last night-- hopefully you saw that!
I did, thank you! I chatted online with a CM and she told me I would need to call them to switch my vacation package switched over to a hotel only package. She said I would have to cancel the first reservation and rebook a room only.....making me very nervous since I paid a hunk of money already using Disney GCs!

From what I could gather by poking around online, it appears as though U-Verse cut off at least the basic Hallmark Channel 3 years ago (don't know if the Hallmark Movie Channel went with it or if HMC went out earlier). Does that sound about right, in relation to when you lost the channels? If AT&T hasn't gotten back even one of those channels by now it seems they must not feel it is a worthwhile investment.:mad:
I honestly can't tell you when! You could purchase your favorite holiday movies so you have your own library :)

Were you able to get up to page 62 of this thread, which is where the first Theme Week of this year began last week? Since Monday of last week it has pretty much been a photo stream, between the two theme weeks (Trees/Wreaths & New Orleans Square/Haunted Mansion Holiday). In 5 days there will be an all new theme for the week!
I have and it's all in my little brain ;) I love christmas decorations and even had my own tree in our room at Port Orleans, Riverside last year. I made ornaments for it too. Now I'm trying to decide if I want to bring my decorations for our room at PPH. I had the 2.5' tree delivered to our resort and decorated it there....didn't want to pack it up to take it home so i kept my decorations and left the tree for some pixie-dust for the family that had the room after us. I also left some christmas lights.

I have to agree with PHXscuba. A holiday WDW trip is on my Disney bucket list as well. I absolutely adore the holiday season and I would want to do every single one one of those things you just listed off and more! I would need a good 2 weeks or so, to really get into the details!

Some WDW holiday vets go to DLR and end up not enjoying it as much because there is not as much to DLR as there is to WDW. I think it was WDW holiday vet pixleyyy who said that DLR's holiday celebration did not feel as immersive and all-encompassing (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the idea). Other WDW holiday vets come back from their DLR holiday trips and love them, and they appreciate the differences between the 2 Resorts.

I hope you fall into the latter category and end up loving DLR's holiday season -- even though it is not on the level of WDW's festivities.
I don't think I would even consider comparing the two. They are so different from each other. I do have a feeling I will love the fact that the California park will be smaller and not so spread out. I do love nostalgic things ;) plus, I already know I prefer the Cali weather as opposed to Florida's!
 
Thanks Sherry E for another awesome update. Like how you use OFFICIAL vs. Rumor titles. Let's squash those hard ticket rumors please. Thanks for the link/pdf on the magazine. I love things like that. Now i get to have some extra Disney pleasure by reading this little gem. I wish I could gain access to all of these magazines and newsletters! I'm such a Disney junkie.:thumbsup2
 
I did, thank you! I chatted online with a CM and she told me I would need to call them to switch my vacation package switched over to a hotel only package. She said I would have to cancel the first reservation and rebook a room only.....making me very nervous since I paid a hunk of money already using Disney GCs!

I honestly can't tell you when! You could purchase your favorite holiday movies so you have your own library :)

I have and it's all in my little brain ;) I love christmas decorations and even had my own tree in our room at Port Orleans, Riverside last year. I made ornaments for it too. Now I'm trying to decide if I want to bring my decorations for our room at PPH. I had the 2.5' tree delivered to our resort and decorated it there....didn't want to pack it up to take it home so i kept my decorations and left the tree for some pixie-dust for the family that had the room after us. I also left some christmas lights.

I don't think I would even consider comparing the two. They are so different from each other. I do have a feeling I will love the fact that the California park will be smaller and not so spread out. I do love nostalgic things ;) plus, I already know I prefer the Cali weather as opposed to Florida's!

Kathy --

If you cancel your PPH package and switch to room-only, how will they credit you back for what you paid in gift cards? Will Disney put the money back on the gift cards or credit it in some other way? Or would they somehow be able to seamlessly transfer what you paid from the cancelled package to a room only reservation?

One good thing is that if you can get yourself booked in a room only situation, then if a discount of some sort comes along later -- even just one week before your trip -- you can call the reservations number and have the CM apply the discount to your existing reservation. I've done that in the past. I've switched dates and hotels based on discounts that came out, which I applied to my existing reservations. People have done that with packages too, but I think that some of the value of the money saved with a discount is cancelled out by whatever fee is charged to make a change to the reservation.

I have some of the Hallmark Christmas movies saved on the DVR, as well as things like "Love Actually" and "Elf," but there is something fun about catching them on TV when they air. I can't explain it!:rotfl2:

That was nice of you to leave the tree and some lights in the room for the next guests to enjoy last year -- do you think that the cleaning people left it there or would they have removed the tree from the room?

Yes, there is no denying the fact that the close proximity between Disneyland, California Adventure, Downtown Disney and all 3 of the Disneyland Resort hotels is a huge selling point of DLR in general. No boats, buses or cars are needed once you are at DLR. Everything is walkable. And you will quickly become very familiar with the "short cut" route from the PPH through the GCH. So many people think that the PPH is very far, but it isn't. Really, when you walk out the front of the PPH and turn left, you will see the Grand Californian Hotel right there, and all you do is cross the street and cut through the lobby of the GCH to get to DTD, DCA or DL. It's a nice walk and you get to enjoy the wonderful GCH lobby environment en route to the parks.


Thanks Sherry E for another awesome update. Like how you use OFFICIAL vs. Rumor titles. Let's squash those hard ticket rumors please. Thanks for the link/pdf on the magazine. I love things like that. Now i get to have some extra Disney pleasure by reading this little gem. I wish I could gain access to all of these magazines and newsletters! I'm such a Disney junkie.:thumbsup2

You're welcome, Mike!:goodvibes

I usually try to re-post and/or update that recap every so often, assuming that new people are tuning in all the time and aren't up to speed on the facts for 2013. I have to make sure to stress what is official and what is not, as people will hear/read a little bit of something that may happen down the road and think that it is happening this year!

I got the hard copy of that Disney Visa/Rewards newsletter in the mail a couple of days ago, but it was not until PHXscuba mentioned that it had the info about Haunted Mansion Holiday that I actually opened it up and read it!:rotfl2: And then I went searching for that article online and found the PDF, to share with everyone here.

I am eager to see what this year's gingerbread house in HMH looks like.

I am in agreement with you -- I am all for squashing all rumors of a hard ticket party! I don't want one at this point in time.
 
Just a heads up to all you holiday travelers. Space Mountain is going down for refurb 11/4 to 1/17. I am really bummed. With a 50 year old arthritic neck, I can barely do SM at WDW any more. I was really looking forward to doing the superior version at DLR again.
 
Noooooooo!!!! I was looking forward to the DL version of Space Mountain! I thought we would be safe from major refurbs over the holiday season. Such a bummer.
 
Just a heads up to all you holiday travelers. Space Mountain is going down for refurb 11/4 to 1/17. I am really bummed. With a 50 year old arthritic neck, I can barely do SM at WDW any more. I was really looking forward to doing the superior version at DLR again.

Where did you see this? I just did a quick google search for DL Refurb schedule and didn't see SM on any of the lists. That would be a HUGE bummer and seems like really bad timing on DL's part.
 
The very few Holiday Mansion Inside pictures I have







I am not very good at taking dark ride pictures. I am guessing the top two pictures came out because the ride had slowed down for a short time. LOL
 
Noooooooo!!!! I was looking forward to the DL version of Space Mountain! I thought we would be safe from major refurbs over the holiday season. Such a bummer.


Yeah, between this and the 5 day ticket thing, I'm really starting to think DLR just doesn't want me there this year. SM at DLR is a HUGE draw for us regular WDW visitors.

Where did you see this? I just did a quick google search for DL Refurb schedule and didn't see SM on any of the lists. That would be a HUGE bummer and seems like really bad timing on DL's part.

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disneyland/plan.htm#rehab
 
Yeah, between this and the 5 day ticket thing, I'm really starting to think DLR just doesn't want me there this year. SM at DLR is a HUGE draw for us regular WDW visitors.

My mom said she read an article that park attendance is down since the most recent price increase. I wonder if the 5 day ticket thing also played a part in that.


That bites. I mean, I get that they need to take down the Halloween overlay so timing is probably good for them, but to take it down for all of Christmas?

To those who regularly visit during the Holiday Season - is it typical for DL to shut down a big ride like this?

Going in Jan-March I expect major rides to be down for refurb - our first couple visits we never went on Splash bc it is closed every March, but in high season it seems crazy to close it down.
 
My mom said she read an article that park attendance is down since the most recent price increase. I wonder if the 5 day ticket thing also played a part in that.

Just based on how we want to do the parks, I know I will think long and hard before choosing DLR again in the future. Once we see Carsland once, I'm not sure we'll feel the drive to spend more to get less again soon.



That bites. I mean, I get that they need to take down the Halloween overlay so timing is probably good for them, but to take it down for all of Christmas?

To those who regularly visit during the Holiday Season - is it typical for DL to shut down a big ride like this?

Going in Jan-March I expect major rides to be down for refurb - our first couple visits we never went on Splash bc it is closed every March, but in high season it seems crazy to close it down.

Yeah, it does seem crazy to have it down over Christmas. I have to say I didn't see that one coming. One of the advantages of doing Disney in December has been that they typically don't have big rides down during December because it's so close to peak season.

SM is a pretty high capacity ride too. It's going to stink having so many more people out on the other attractions too.
 
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