Disneyland at Christmas/Holiday Season Superthread #3!- HOLIDAYS BEGIN 11/12/13!!

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We should be enjoying the Disneyland holiday season once again this year! If all goes to plan, we should be there November 23-26!

We've been to Disneyland during the holiday probably 4 or 5 times, and it's always so much fun! Mixing Disneyland and Christmas, it's like happiness overload!

So excited to get back to the parks after 2 years! And for it to be the holidays, I'm going to explode! :lol:
 
So anyway, on to my questions - the first is about time. Right now we are planning getting in on Thanksgiving night and then leaving the following Monday. Because of how far we live from the west coast, airline travel is somewhat of an all day thing for us so we will not have any park time on Monday. That will give us Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at the parks. Is this enough time to see and do absolutely everything at DLR/DCA without killing ourselves? Because I am afraid of the crowds, I am considering adding an extra day but thought I would ask the Board and see what everyone thought.

By everything, you mean EVERYTHING? All rides, shows, etc? Or do you mean everything you want to do? There's a huge difference.

If you mean EVERYTHING, you won't be able to do it without killing yourselves, like you said. HA!

Because Thanksgiving weekend can be extremely busy, lines are longer and crowds are bigger, so that will slow you down. It's doable, but you won't be able to take breaks.

If, however, you mean everything you want to do, you'll be able to do it in 3 days. Just plan accordingly.

If you have a MM, hit the really popular rides in that hour. If you're not watching the parade, take in the Fantasyland dark rides during that time. Take advantage of the late night hours. Lines are way shorter from 10pm-12am. You can get in a lot rides in those hours. Save the popular rides for those times.

Make sure you mindful of when lands are opened. Toontown closes early every night, so make sure to go there earlier in the day. Same with Paradise Pier. Some Fantasyland rides close for a short time during fireworks. It reopens after the fireworks are done. That's a good time to do Fantasyland. Families with young children leave early, which usually means right after fireworks. You can get all of Fantasyland done in the late hours after the fireworks.

If you do want a break, take it midday. Around noon is when the park starts to get really packed. Maybe go have your lunch at the hotel and take a break after for a little while.

We went to Disneyland for one day in 2011. It was Black Friday. We had one day to do everything we wanted to do. Mind you, we only went to Disneyland, not California Adventure. Anyway, we were able to get it all done for the most part. We were there from 8am-11pm without leaving, but we're not break people. :rotfl:

Most important. Have fun. Enjoy the magic. And remember, it's Disney!
 
Yep, got them at Target so a near 10% savings which is great. Then went to the Disney Store on Saturday for a Monsters University special thing before the store opened and while the kids were practicing scary feet, I got the tickets without them seeing it. :thumbsup2 Now just looking at where to eat, special stuff like BBB and F! or WOC and general plans like that. I know the first day we are starting off with heresy and doing DCA/Carsland in the morning. It'll be the perfect way to intro DS to dark rides and get him more comfortable with the rest. Plus watching for all the news around Christmastime there, like party planning. Oh and I have to pick up the photopass plus card but figured I'll do that in fall.

Yeah, Anaheim will get tricky. We're going to Knott's on Sunday and I figured I can keep DD and DS distracted enough with a portable DVD player on the way to Knott's so they won't notice and then on the way down to GCH, I can either start up the DVD player again so they are oblivious or simply pretend to drop some stuff in the back floor and have them help me find them all (keeping their attention focused elsewhere). I'm sneaky like that. We'll see how it works! Fortunately my oldest is pretty oblivious (like me) and my youngest is easily absorbed by the electronic babysitter so they might have zero idea where they are besides a hotel. :goodvibes I figure we will have to tell them right when we get out and see how it goes. I'm predicting general freaking out because I've primed them pretty good. So far they are sad because they think they have to wait another year or two to go.

Pesky --

:rotfl2:I had to laugh at the "heresy" comment! Do people still think that it's heresy to go to DCA before DL? Hey, it's not heresy to me -- even before last year's completion of the billion dollar makeover, there were times that I went straight to DCA and not to DL. In fact, when my out-of-state friends were here (that was my fiasco of a 2011 holiday trip), the only reason I suggested they might want to hit Disneyland first was so that their son could be introduced to the whole Disney experience by walking down Main Street. If I had not been considering him/them, I would have just steered them right towards DCA.

I like the idea of dropping something on the back floor and sneakily asking the kids to help you find it. Maybe you could do something like "accidentally" spill a whole jar/container of coins on the floor and ask the kids to gather them up, one by one, for you -- that should take some time as you try to covertly pull up to the GCH.



Such great information on this thread!

Mike --

Thanks! We have some great contributors and participants in this thread!:thumbsup2




So very glad that I found this thread - what an amazing source of information - thank you for your hard work! And for the record, I read every post before writing mine to make sure I was not duplicating :santa:

We are WDW veterans, and as a special Christmas treat I am taking both of my DS-6 to DLR for the holidays (DS-4 and DH are staying home - unfortunately DS-4 is a tad under 48 inches so he becomes somewhat of an anchor at times. Mom wants to ride the cool rides too! :) ) . One of them is almost obsessed with IASW and to be completely honest, from what I remember as a child and the photos I have seen, WDW does not even come close, especially with regard to the exterior and then the added factor of the exterior at Christmas time.

So anyway, on to my questions - the first is about time. Right now we are planning getting in on Thanksgiving night and then leaving the following Monday. Because of how far we live from the west coast, airline travel is somewhat of an all day thing for us so we will not have any park time on Monday. That will give us Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at the parks. Is this enough time to see and do absolutely everything at DLR/DCA without killing ourselves? Because I am afraid of the crowds, I am considering adding an extra day but thought I would ask the Board and see what everyone thought.

Second, I know GCH gets its decorations first but how quickly do DLH and PPH follow? Is it a next night thing for DLH followed the next night by PPH or does it take longer? I think I have decided on DLH vs. GCH because of room size (and truthfully at WDW, the GFH is my least favorite of the on property hotels - rooms are much smaller/cramped, and so full of Victorian touches that I feel like I am at my grandmother's house.), but I would hate to miss having a decorated hotel.

On a completely different note, while I have never done the Holiday party at WDW, we have done the Halloween one and I have to say it is amazing - MK is not crowded at all on those nights and the extra activities they have are incredible. It reminded me of what I remember WDW being like as a child crowd wise, pre-Fast Passes. While I would hate to see all of the wonderful holiday traditions at DLR go, I would hope that they would come up with something amazing for a party and not just charge for what is already given for free. What can I say, I am a Pollyanna, and just trust (and hope) that the Imagineers would go with making people happy should DLR go with a holiday party. Yes I am an eternal optomist :goodvibes

Thank you in advance and if anyone has any must do DLR holiday tips I would be forever grateful.

becd --

I'm glad you found us too! Welcome! And thank you for taking the time to read all of the posts! I hope they were helpful and fun.

You posted the thread in which you asked the question about which one of the hotels did Christmas the best a while back, correct? I remember that you asked the question and I gave you the links to both the specific hotel post in this thread and the main link to this thread, and I was hoping you would eventually join us! I'm very happy you did!

Let me tackle the hotel decorations question first. Normally, in a regular year, the GCH's decorations and giant tree would be up the day after Thanksgiving -- like first thing in the morning on Friday. Then, I suppose the decorators move over to the DLH that same day. Maybe they even time it so that the DLH is decorated before dawn or later that same day. I don't think they wait too long to get the DLH finished.

The DLH has towers and things to decorate (there is at least one tree in each tower), as well as the restaurants and shops. The GCH has gingerbread houses in the restaurants (small ones -- not like the gigantic one at the GFH in WDW!), as well as wreaths and trees around the property. The PPH has a gorgeous tree and some wreaths and poinsettias here and there, but it's not a real elaborate decoration process. The GCH and the DLH are more involved. (Yes, the rooms in the DLH are more spacious -- the rooms in the GCH are cramped, with not much floor space, in my opinion.)

My hunch -- and it is only a hunch, not based on any knowledge of this year's details -- is that, because Thanksgiving is happening so late in November this year and it is coinciding with the start of Hanukkah, the decorations at the 3 hotels will go up earlier than usual. I have a feeling that the hotels may be decorated even before Thanksgiving. I could be very wrong, but we normally don't have such late Thanksgivings so I think that the lateness could affect the hotel decoration schedule a bit, for the better!

At the very least, even if the hotels are not decorated before Thanksgiving, I really think they will all be decorated by the day after. I don't think you'll miss anything.

Downtown Disney, too, seems to get more in the spirit as soon as Thanksgiving ends, so I expect there will be holiday music playing in DTD as of November 29th (if not before) as well.

Even if you stay at the DLH, I fully suggest taking some time to wander over to the GCH and enjoy the festive lobby atmosphere, with Santa and the carolers performing by the tree for the guests sprawled out in chairs and sofas. Or, peek in the restaurants to get a glimpse of the gingerbread houses. The GCH is right off of Downtown Disney, so if you walk through DTD from the parks to get back to the DLH, you can turn into the GCH and head to the lobby.

I think that you will love IASW Holiday! I have read some WDW vets' opinions of our IASW at DLR, and the reviews are mixed. The most recent one I read from someone on this board gave the edge to our IASW.:thumbsup2 But the holiday version of IASW is...magnificent. The ride is amazing during the day -- the holiday overlay is so thorough, filled with holiday scents and music, and so many of the details are changed to holiday details. At night, when the facade is lit up in the colored lights, it is spectacular! The colors are so crisp and bright.

About the number of days -- well, if it is possible to add a 4th full day without causing too much hardship, I would do it. You may decide you want to do the holiday tour (which you probably read about on Page 1 of this thread). If there is any kind of party, you will want to do that. If there is not a party, you will want to make time for the (probable) holiday World of Color, the Christmas parade and the Believe in Holiday Magic fireworks, the snow on Main Street, the Winter Castle icicle (Enchantment) lighting at night, as well as any other shows or entertainment.

If 4 days are not possible, you can get a lot done in 3 days -- but make sure to coordinate and plan your time wisely. It is doable. Of course, DLR is not the huge Resort that WDW is so there is less area to cover. But there is still quite a bit to do. Just visiting Toon Town, A Bug's Land, New Orleans Square, the Jingle Jangle Jamboree and Cars Land (all of which have very uniquely themed decorations) will take a bit of time, let alone the other lands too!

You know, the Halloween party at DLR works because Halloween Time as a season needs the party. Otherwise, the season would be a little lacking -- or 'thin,' as I call it. The party offers exclusive fireworks that were not a traditional part of the Halloween season, and a cavalcade that was never part of the season at all outside of the party.

The rumors swirling around this supposed Christmas party do not suggest that there would be anything different included in it. The rumors all seem to state that the long-existing, traditional holiday fireworks, parade and snow would suddenly become party exclusives. Of course, there would be cookies and things like that, but the traditional entertainment is supposedly what will be included in a party. I would certainly hope that Disney is not foolish enough to do that, as they would tick off many people who have been visiting the parks for the holidays every year.

BUT, I would have also thought that Disney would not cut the Candlelight Ceremony down from 20 nights to only 2 nights in one year's time -- that is a drastic cut -- and yet it is supposedly happening this year because the new management is ordering it that way, without a compromise. So, if the new management of DLR is pulling off such a major cutback of the Candlelight Ceremony without figuring out a back-up plan for it (to offer dinner packages and more nights), that tells me that they are not thinking completely clearly!

....Which is why I don't fully trust them with a Christmas party, to do the right thing and put brand NEW entertainment in it or move it to DCA where there would be some novelty to it. They may just think that people will hear the words "Christmas party" and get excited, and that it will be enough.

But, we shall see what happens! A party may or may not be coming this year. I still don't think Disneyland is totally ready for it because it would be riskier than the Halloween party, but we all know they are gearing up for a party, one way or the other, at some point in the future -- so we will get one sooner or later!

As for tips of what to do/see -- I suggested some things above, such as taking some time to check out the unique decorations in the different lands, as well visiting the GCH lobby environment to enjoy Santa, carolers, a guitarist and a pianist, and visiting the Jingle Jangle Jamboree to decorate cookies, eat candy cane-flavored cotton candy and meet Santa and assorted characters in holiday garb (like Santa Goofy).

You could also get some gingerbread cookies with mouse ears at any of the candy shops and some of the bake shops.

Make sure to ride the Storybook Land boats -- there are teeny, tiny Christmas decorations on the cottages.

The holiday tour is something that most people seem to enjoy.

If they are being made during your trip, you could grab one of the giant handmade candy canes (they are very popular) at the Candy Palace.

Be sure to get PhotoPass photos in front of the Winter Castle at night, when the icicle lights are on, and in front of IASW Holiday at night.

Look for the "snowdrift" hidden Mickey on the floor of the ballroom in Haunted Mansion Holiday.

I'm sure that other folks will have great ideas!


We should be enjoying the Disneyland holiday season once again this year! If all goes to plan, we should be there November 23-26!

We've been to Disneyland during the holiday probably 4 or 5 times, and it's always so much fun! Mixing Disneyland and Christmas, it's like happiness overload!

So excited to get back to the parks after 2 years! And for it to be the holidays, I'm going to explode! :lol:

butterflymouse --

Welcome! I totally agree -- Disneyland Resort is magical in and of itself, but when the holiday season hits it is extra special. There is a different feeling in the air. It's like the entire Resort has been blanketed with Christmas merriment. It's a sensory overload in the best possible way!

You haven't seen the Cars Land and Buena Vista Street decorations in person yet, so you have a lot to look forward to! Even the New Orleans Square decorations (the Mardi Gras masks) have seemingly multiplied, and there are more of them around NOS.
 
By everything, you mean EVERYTHING? All rides, shows, etc? Or do you mean everything you want to do? There's a huge difference.

If you mean EVERYTHING, you won't be able to do it without killing yourselves, like you said. HA!

Because Thanksgiving weekend can be extremely busy, lines are longer and crowds are bigger, so that will slow you down. It's doable, but you won't be able to take breaks.

If, however, you mean everything you want to do, you'll be able to do it in 3 days. Just plan accordingly.

If you have a MM, hit the really popular rides in that hour. If you're not watching the parade, take in the Fantasyland dark rides during that time. Take advantage of the late night hours. Lines are way shorter from 10pm-12am. You can get in a lot rides in those hours. Save the popular rides for those times.

Make sure you mindful of when lands are opened. Toontown closes early every night, so make sure to go there earlier in the day. Same with Paradise Pier. Some Fantasyland rides close for a short time during fireworks. It reopens after the fireworks are done. That's a good time to do Fantasyland. Families with young children leave early, which usually means right after fireworks. You can get all of Fantasyland done in the late hours after the fireworks.

If you do want a break, take it midday. Around noon is when the park starts to get really packed. Maybe go have your lunch at the hotel and take a break after for a little while.

We went to Disneyland for one day in 2011. It was Black Friday. We had one day to do everything we wanted to do. Mind you, we only went to Disneyland, not California Adventure. Anyway, we were able to get it all done for the most part. We were there from 8am-11pm without leaving, but we're not break people. :rotfl:

Most important. Have fun. Enjoy the magic. And remember, it's Disney!


Very good advice and suggestions, butterflymouse (by the way, I love that screen name!)! I guess I was typing as you were posting, so I didn't see what you said until after I just posted a few minutes ago. It seems like we were on the same page as far as 3 days being doable in general, but 4 days being much better!:thumbsup2

The holidays add a whole extra layer of things to see and/or do to the usual schedule so it's best to have several days to make time for everything.
 
butterflymouse --

Welcome! I totally agree -- Disneyland Resort is magical in and of itself, but when the holiday season hits it is extra special. There is a different feeling in the air. It's like the entire Resort has been blanketed with Christmas merriment. It's a sensory overload in the best possible way!

You haven't seen the Cars Land and Buena Vista Street decorations in person yet, so you have a lot to look forward to! Even the New Orleans Square decorations (the Mardi Gras masks) have seemingly multiplied, and there are more of them around NOS.

I haven't been to Cars Land or Buena Vista Street at all! This visit will be the first time I'll be visiting the new California Adventure, so that will be a new adventure!

Very good advice and suggestions, butterflymouse (by the way, I love that screen name!)! I guess I was typing as you were posting, so I didn't see what you said until after I just posted a few minutes ago. It seems like we were on the same page as far as 3 days being doable in general, but 4 days being much better!:thumbsup2

The holidays add a whole extra layer of things to see and/or do to the usual schedule so it's best to have several days to make time for everything.

Thanks! Took my 2 favorite things, butterflies and Mickey Mouse, and made a screen name!
 
Only a 187 days until Christmas!

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I booked our trip and went ahead and added the fourth day so thank you for your help!

And yes, I was the one who posted the question about hotels - thank you so much for pointing me in this direction - it has been incredibly helpful and I find myself checking the board daily to see if there is anything new. What can I say, I think I am more excited than my kids! :hyper:
 
Hi all!! We just booked our first ever DLR holiday experience for Nov. 24-27! So excited! Been to DLR but never for this time of year.

Clarification question - when ppl talk about the week before Thanksgiving do they mean the Monday Tuesday Wednesday before Thanksgiving or the week prior to Thanksgiving Thursday ?

Thanks!
 
I booked our trip and went ahead and added the fourth day so thank you for your help!

And yes, I was the one who posted the question about hotels - thank you so much for pointing me in this direction - it has been incredibly helpful and I find myself checking the board daily to see if there is anything new. What can I say, I think I am more excited than my kids! :hyper:

becd --

You're very welcome! Stay tuned for the big Theme Week Countdown, coming soon, which will last for over 3 months and lead us right to the start of the holiday season at DLR in November. When we touch on different themes/aspects of the holiday season each week, it kind of shines a spotlight on certain things that people may not have paid much attention to in the past, or that they will want to learn more about and make time for on their upcoming trips!

I think the 4th day is a good idea!



Hi all!! We just booked our first ever DLR holiday experience for Nov. 24-27! So excited! Been to DLR but never for this time of year.

Clarification question - when ppl talk about the week before Thanksgiving do they mean the Monday Tuesday Wednesday before Thanksgiving or the week prior to Thanksgiving Thursday ?

Thanks!

Delilah1310 --

Hello there! You'll have a wonderful time!

The week before Thanksgiving means the actual week before Thanksgiving week, not the week of Thanksgiving.

So the whole week of Thanksgiving is the week that is reported to be a bit more crowded (a lot of people are out on break at the same time, I suppose). The week before Thanksgiving week is less crowded.

But you will still have a great time, even if it's a bit more crowded! With any luck, hopefully the 3 Disney hotels will be decorated ahead of schedule so you'll be able to see some of the gorgeous trees and other decorations.
 
We should be enjoying the Disneyland holiday season once again this year! If all goes to plan, we should be there November 23-26!

We've been to Disneyland during the holiday probably 4 or 5 times, and it's always so much fun! Mixing Disneyland and Christmas, it's like happiness overload!

So excited to get back to the parks after 2 years! And for it to be the holidays, I'm going to explode! :lol:

Cause for celebration for sure !! :banana::banana: We are going back this December for the first time in two years too.

I booked our trip and went ahead and added the fourth day so thank you for your help!

And yes, I was the one who posted the question about hotels - thank you so much for pointing me in this direction - it has been incredibly helpful and I find myself checking the board daily to see if there is anything new. What can I say, I think I am more excited than my kids! :hyper:

Wahoo! You won't regret adding that fourth day :thumbsup2
 
Cause for celebration for sure !! :banana::banana: We are going back this December for the first time in two years too.

YAY!!!!:yay::yay::yay:

I've decided I can't go that long without visiting Disney. I'm literally dying inside without getting some of the Disney magic in me. I counting down the days till November because it's just been too long.
 
TK --

It's funny that you posted today. I just thought of you earlier!

This morning I was either cooking something or washing dishes and I began humming, as I often do. Do you ever start humming and you don't even pay attention to what it is you're humming until a few minutes into it? You're just humming, and then all of a sudden it hits you what song it is?

I realized that I was humming "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen." That's right. On the 3rd day of Summer, I am humming Christmas songs! I'm not humming Summer songs.

I thought to myself, "TK would get a kick out of that."

And then I thought, "I need help...a support group of some kind..."

I went online to find other people who think about Christmas in Summer so I could get this horrible Christmas monkey off my back. And I stumbled upon a wondrous place...a place called -- if I remember correctly -- Magical Holiday Home. It is a forum -- an entire discussion forum -- all about holidays (not just Christmas -- all holidays -- but with a definite slant towards Christmas) and every aspect of them. The people there -- from what I read -- are definitely bigger Christmas fans than the people on the Hallmark Channel forums, who grumble and complain about the Christmas marathon starting in November.

Anyway, search for Magical Holiday Home online. I think they have got every aspect of Christmas and beyond covered in their threads!

Two months until Halloween merchandise begins appearing in stores in my area. Three months (or less) until peppermint ice cream appears in my grocery store. If I can just make it through the long, hot summer to get to those momentous occasions, it only gets better from there! October-November-December = three months of awesomeness and happy dancing:dancer::cool1: for me!!!!
 
The oldest mooselet and I just finished a VERY long road trip where we entertained ourselves for days on end singing Christmas songs and coming up with new lyrics. it's not just you, Sherry.
 
The oldest mooselet and I just finished a VERY long road trip where we entertained ourselves for days on end singing Christmas songs and coming up with new lyrics. it's not just you, Sherry.

:rotfl2:

There is probably a whole secret society of us -- people who hum/sing Christmas songs 6 months early! I didn't even set out to hum a holiday tune. I just realized I was doing it a few minutes in to whatever I was doing.

It seems like, more and more over the years, I am seeing so much grumbling and anti-Christmas sentiment on Facebook and other forums. People just seem to be really bothered and stressed out by it all. People hate that there are decorations up in November and merchandise for sale even earlier than that.

But for every person who is growing disenchanted with Christmas, I bet there is another person who is tuning into the 2-month long Hallmark Christmas movie marathons and singing Christmas songs in the car in June!

Last year I happened to do a survey in which I had to listen to snippets of something like 625 Christmas songs (literally) and rate them -- different singers' versions of all of the favorites and some lesser-known songs. It took about 90 minutes, and I know that some people would have been miserable. I, on the other hand, was having a great time!:rotfl2:
 
For me I don't mind the Hallmark Christmas ornaments coming out in June/July. What I do have a problem is when the Christmas decorations come out before Nov 1st and are mixed in with the Halloween decorations in the stores:eek:. This is where I draw my line in the sand so to speak. While I do think Christmas year round, simply as it helps me plan ahead for the season and take advantage of good deals if I see them. I think the problem is that people are so busy these days, that they find the Christmas season to very stressful. I have to plot ahead with the kids gag Christmas gifts so that I can get the boxes needed to engineer them so that they don't fall apart when trying to get them up the stairs. And if I have time assemble some parts of them before the big assembly to make things easier for me. I personally find that if I see Christmas stuff in the stores before Nov 1st, it kind of annoys me. But I don't mind watching Christmas specials after Nov 1st. I'm hoping to get a relatively clean bill of health when I see my doc on July 3rd, but will realistically have minor neck/shoulder pain for the rest of my life from the accident. Then comes the fun of attempting to settle with the insurance co. Lot's of fun all around.:)
 
For me I don't mind the Hallmark Christmas ornaments coming out in June/July. What I do have a problem is when the Christmas decorations come out before Nov 1st and are mixed in with the Halloween decorations in the stores:eek:. This is where I draw my line in the sand so to speak. While I do think Christmas year round, simply as it helps me plan ahead for the season and take advantage of good deals if I see them. I think the problem is that people are so busy these days, that they find the Christmas season to very stressful. I have to plot ahead with the kids gag Christmas gifts so that I can get the boxes needed to engineer them so that they don't fall apart when trying to get them up the stairs. And if I have time assemble some parts of them before the big assembly to make things easier for me. I personally find that if I see Christmas stuff in the stores before Nov 1st, it kind of annoys me. But I don't mind watching Christmas specials after Nov 1st. I'm hoping to get a relatively clean bill of health when I see my doc on July 3rd, but will realistically have minor neck/shoulder pain for the rest of my life from the accident. Then comes the fun of attempting to settle with the insurance co. Lot's of fun all around.:)

Trish --

Yes, lots o' fun. It's a long process for you, but hopefully the pain will not be too bad or too constant, and I hope that your DLR holiday trip will be a pleasant, rewarding one.:goodvibes

Do the Hallmark ornaments come out in June/July? Wow! I remember way back when, many years ago -- when I used to collect their lapel pins for the different holidays and would get an occasional ornament -- the ornaments used to come out in September or so, and then they suddenly began to appear in August. Are they out on the shelves even earlier now?

I don't keep up with the ornaments or the lapel pins anymore but, as TK knows, I am a sucker for Hallmark's Christmas movie marathons that start on the first weekend in November and last until early January. They are also doing a mini-Christmas marathon in July.

I can understand how you feel because I know that a lot of people don't like to see Christmas stuff on the shelf before this time or that time -- everyone has their own line in the sand, to use your term.

One thing I will say is, out here the Halloween stuff hits the shelves in August. So, if Halloween appears in August, why shouldn't Christmas stuff show up in October? Besides that, Christmas is a major, major, major holiday -- the biggest one of the entire year, for which people plan, travel, shop, decorate and bake, etc. Halloween -- though it is becoming bigger as a holiday in general -- is still not on the level that Christmas is in terms of overall involvement. No one will get a paid or mandated day off of work for Halloween, for example. The Government won't place the same importance on Halloween as it does on other holidays, so Halloween isn't a holiday in the same sense as, say, Thanksgiving or July 4th.

I do agree that Christmas merchandise has begun to appear much earlier in recent years than it did in the olden days (really, there is no reason that peppermint ice cream should hit the shelves in September, but I'm glad that it does!:rotfl2:)! Putting aside my own love of Christmas and just looking at it objectively, I think there are reasons why it makes a bit of sense to do things that way. One reason is that it could be an advantage to many people if they don't want to deal with the post-Thanksgiving shopping madness in the malls. If they want to start buying some of their decorations or presents early, they can get a jump start before the malls get really crazy.

Also, another reason why it could make some sense for Christmas to get a bit of an earlier start than it used to is that so many people are doing elaborate lighting on their houses nowadays, thank to all of those "Crazy Christmas Lights" shows. That kind of display takes a long time to prepare for and they have to start getting it set up and testing it at least in September if it is something really, really complicated and over-the-top. It's no longer about just putting up simple trees and hanging a few stockings. Now, the actual decorations and lights are almost center stage for a lot of people. That is their holiday celebration. So if they want to start decorating early, they can find things on the shelves before November!:rotfl2:

Another thing is that a lot of people will be traveling for Thanksgiving weekend, and those people may want to bring Christmas presents with them when they visit relatives, etc., so that they don't have to buy them and ship them later. Being able to have Christmas things available early could come in handy to get gifts for the family before heading to see them.

So, those are a few practical reasons why it could make some sense for Christmas stuff to come out earlier. It's a major enough holiday that I think it requires more effort and advance planning overall, even though it seems to stress people out so much.

But, the bigger of a deal that Halloween becomes, and the more that people go all out for Halloween every year, the more stressful it, too, will become over time!:rotfl2: Anything that requires a lot of effort to build, set up, hang, etc., will eventually become a pain too!:rotfl2:
 
I've got a pretty high pain threshold, so I view the pain as more of an annoyance than anything else. I don't let the pain prevent me from doing the things I want to do. Although I am waiting for doc clearance before I rip the carpets out of the kids bedrooms (there's good hardwood floors underneath the carpets and makes it easier for the kids to keep their rooms clean). I don't take any drugs, such as Tylenol or Advil until it get's to the point where I need a break from the pain. The pain comes and goes, so I'm not in constant pain. It seems like the chronic pain I had in my lower back from an accident 15+ years ago has shifted to where the curve in my spine is between the shoulder blades, as it's now the weakest spot in my spine. I stopped collecting Hallmark ornaments years ago, when it got to the point where I've got 3 large storage tubs of them. I've weeded out the ones I want for the tree, and the rest I've put in storage for the kids when they are older and out on their own. I find the ornaments that mean the most to me are the ones I've collected on vacation, so these are the ones I tend to put on the tree. I know that there are people that go overboard on their Christmas decorations. We just decorate up the firetruck for our Christmas decorations for the house. It works for us. The tree usually goes up the first week of Dec, subject to how busy we get that week. I do agree that it would be better if the Christmas items came out around the time of the Halloween stuff, as it does make it easier for those who do need to ship overseas Christmas gifts. I know for myself shipping gifts to Australia, that I need to ship via airmail by the first week of Oct for it to get to my friends in time for Christmas. One time I sent the gift's surface the first week of Oct and they didn't arrive in Australia till mid Jan, let's just say never again.
 
Omg, omg! Bit the bullet and booked our suite at Paradise Pier! Checking in 12/25 and checking out 1/1. Out last trip was December 2011 and we LOVED every moment of it! Still contemplating if I should notepad try to squeeze 5 in a single room (with 2 teens) to save money.....we'll see :)
 
I am looking at last year's park hours and they are different the week after Thanksgiving (which was still November last year) vs the first week of December. Since the first week of December is the week after Thanksgiving this year, which hours do you think they will use???

Even the fireworks times were different those weeks.
 
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