Disney will find a way to make a Marvel 5th gate

If you're referring to the rumor that Jimmy Neutron is being replaced by Despicable Me, that's not a rumor or under any tarps anymore. That said, a vast majority of the rides over there need replaced, so I'm sure they'd tell you something is going to be.
 
I didn't say it was at the studios park. If you figure out what ride I mean, you'll see why it's confidential.:)
 
Ok, so you emailed Universal about something, they gave you what's possibly happening, yet they said that legally you can't tell anyone else?

Yeah, cause large publicly-traded companies always provide written confirmation of their unannounced plans to anonymous emailers--as long as they promise not to repeat it. Pinkie swear and you're golden!
 

You keep thinking that.:)

Oh, I will!

FYI, unless you have a written nondisclosure agreement with Comcast / Universal, you can repeat ANYTHING they have told you. ANYTHING!

So really, prove us all wrong. Copy & paste this email exchange. Give us the names and email addresses of those with whom you have corresponded.

I would LOVE to read every word of it!!!
 
Just an FYI....some people on here said to watch for a major second weekend-9 day drop off for Avengers ticket sales. Avengers is now the fastest movie to domestically break 300 million, and had the biggest second weekend ever. Lets see what happens next weekend.
 
Hey tj, I'm not trying to be some geeky know-it-all. I'm just telling what happened. One of the main restrictions on the e-mail was copying it. Believe me, I'd love to share it with you. I was just giving people a heads up. I really don't care if they believe it or not.:thumbsup2
 
Hey tj, I'm not trying to be some geeky know-it-all. I'm just telling what happened. One of the main restrictions on the e-mail was copying it. Believe me, I'd love to share it with you. I was just giving people a heads up. I really don't care if they believe it or not.:thumbsup2

well then, you're pretty much breaching contract right now by declaring knowledge of confidential information. first rule of fight club buddy.
 
Hey tj, I'm not trying to be some geeky know-it-all. I'm just telling what happened. One of the main restrictions on the e-mail was copying it. Believe me, I'd love to share it with you. I was just giving people a heads up. I really don't care if they believe it or not.:thumbsup2

If your not going to share the information, they why did you bother bringing it up.
 
I agree with pp. The only way you'll get accurate, non public, information is if you signed a NDA. An email with a please don't share footnote. NO. Either our leg is being pulled or an employee is having fun.

Harry Potter expansion going into the old Jaws location is a rumor that is more or less accepted as true. An employee who knows for sure won't be sharing that.

An email from a bus driver (or equivalent) isn't any more accurate then a rumor heard from a bus driver.
 
Marvel has a ton of influence and power. The avengers isnt the only thing marvel has so you can't just view a single title when it comes to how much influence and staying power it has, you have to think about all the individual characters. Not only the avengers but spiderman, x men, etc. Every kid has at some point imagined themselves as a super hero fighting bad guys, how can you say marvel doesn't have influence or staying power when it's been around for over 70 years! When Star Wars was made how many people thought that would still be popular nearly 40 years later.

Remember the people on this board represent a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the people who visit Disney parks, just because people on here say they don't want a marvel section doesn't mean the average guest doesn't. A marvel section would bring a staggering number of new people to the parks.

Now with all that being said do I want to see a Marvel section? Yes for the same reason I'm excited for Avatarland (never saw the movie, don't want to) just to see what Disney can do with it.

Will Disney ever build a Marvel section? Not anytime soon, and probably not ever. In 10 - 15 years it wouldn't surprise me if they announced plans for one but I doubt it will. I don't think you will ever see a sole theme park dedicated to marvel, I just don't see how they could do it and who knows where they could put it. I do see them adding a Marvel section somewhere, which if anywhere it would be Hollywood Studios.

I wasn't able to keep up with most of the conversation here...but i will just say that this post has a lot of the key point to this argument.

where i differ is the stance that marvel holds some kind of major power. It is a good brand and will serve disney well...but up until the last 10 years or so of the comic movie explosion (and check it...its only been 10 years of marvel movies with a couple exceptions)...comic books were largely a niche market prior to that.

Avengers is doing very well and will have the obligatory sequels and merchandise flood that will make disney mad money...
But the money made off it still comes from where i maintain: a very undiscerning movie going environment, the comic book/ fantasy fan base, and the child's market.

And that makes it a different phenomena from something such as star wars....where the adult fan base was loyal to brand with no material for almost 20 years.

perhaps you need to the perspective of being around before the internet age and digital/computer media to realize that "blockbusters" now are not the same as those of the past....such as harry potter...and the new comic book followings....hunger games...twilight.

These things will fade...and the masses will very quickly move on to the next CGI thing coming down the pipe.

That is my opinion....but it is based on seeing a very different mentality in the younger generations and heightened by the fact that there is so much out there.

Other than the legal and financial issues....which are enough to guarantee no marvel attractions ever in WDW on their own...there is the disposal nature of our "franchises" and blockbusters now...

those dropping 15 bucks a pop on a CGI movie now and then moving on to anyone of 100 more CGI blockbusters each calendar year CANNOT be given the same credit as those that saw a movie in the 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's for somewhere between .25 cents and maybe 3 or 4 dollars who attended these unique movies in droves and never forgot them. The movies now are a natural progression from the movies in the past...but as will all continued innovation - things become cheaper, faster, and in general a lesser quality and lest dramatic longterm effects.

Kids...perhaps not stupid...are definitely built differently. They are entertainment spoiled...amongst other things.

Disney takes ten years to build anything...and then the material is out of date.
Even if the avengers is the greatest movie ever - which it is not, all reviews are positive...but boil down to the same bottom-line "a well shot two hour action fight - good summer fun" - the franchise will be afflicted with overexposure, bad sequels, and over saturation long before any theme park use could be implemented that would have a chance of being worth it...that is the reality.

And still....i'm not even going back into how it doesn't fit disney in its parks. But that is again not really a debate. It's not there goal with their parks.

And to just wrap this one up for my opinion - the suggesting that i'm a marvel "hater" is just silly. As is the suggestion that i'm some kind of overgrown disney fan boy. I like it fine...but you don't assess this kind of thing as a FAN...you think in terms of revenue.

And disney is better suited to gain more revenue by using the licensing and doing other things in the parks.
That means you'll see more marvel stuff in the giftshops and most likely the disney stores....but they aren't going to move the hulk coaster across town.

And I have first hand work experience in revenue at WDW...before i "grew up" and moved back to the real world.

I'm far from a marvel hater/ disney cheerleader....read ANYTHING i've ever written on here about how disney operates and you will see that. I have no illusions about what disney does right, wrong, and what they bought marvel for...

But here's what i know: there is no imminent marvel construction on the way...and no matter how much a fan wants it to be...the movie will quickly be replaced and forgotten. It will continue to make money...but it also will be destroyed by the bat in short order.

its naivety to think anything else right now. It just is.
 
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Listen...those box office figures might look great on the surface...but these popcorn movies that come out every month don't represent "themepark potential"

Don't get all geeked up (pun intended)...they took a couPle of decent movies and slapped the characters to make money...good job...good for Disney

But you'd have to make ...literally....a dozen of these guys at no cost to scratch a dent in the themepark construction costs

The movie is a diversion...not a development plan...enjoy it as that

Couldn't of said it any better myself! :thumbsup2
 
Hey Lockedout, I know we’ve had some fun going back and forth on this, so why let it stop ehh?

On 5/11 you said “how about when the Avengers hits the box office wall in exactly 9 days somewhere in the low 300's? Won’t be quite so impressive...will it?”

You have to look at the numbers and maybe rethink the staying power, quality, and broad appeal for this movie. ( I saw people of all different ages, and sexes etc. when I went.)

Estimates have Avengers right around $460mil 18 days in exactly 9 days after your quote. It looks like it should break Dark Knights domestic gross sometime next weekend, which is about 3 ½ weeks….it took Dark Knight 34 weeks. it’s already shattered it overseas by about $300mil will probably be darn close to doubling the overseas number by end of run.

It could come very close to Titanic’s original domestic gross, without running for over 10 months, like Titanic did.

The hardest Fish to fry will be Avatar….but for god sakes it’s hard to call this anything other than a blockbuster runaway hit….this will at worst case claim #2 all-time foreign and domestic….

So you have to admit you were wrong on the numbers, and maybe, just maybe some of the other stuff as well.
 
Absolutely NOTHING has changed...

Wait...one thing has...Disney will collect a bigger pile of money off it.

I don't think you're grasping how the Disney parks are operated. It will take WAY more than this movie.

It still isn't going to happen.

It's not about ticket stubs...it about selling things off a movie 10-20 years later. It really is...and no matter how much you want to pump marvel - that is not the situation for WDW.

New construction cost money and actually deducts from the theme park profits...legal battles cost money...licensing costs almost nothing.

If the avengers gets to 5 billion...then we'll talk.
I will guarantee that Disney couldn't be happier with how things stand right now.
 
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Can't we just let this topic die? Obviously it's just going to go back and forth at Infinitum. The fact is We won't here about ANY new WDW expansion info until Avatarland is well underway.

Can this thread die now?
 
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Can't we just let this topic die? Obviously it's just going to go back and forth at Infinitum. The fact is We won't here about ANY new WDW expansion info until Avatarland is well underway.

Can this thread die now?

I'm cool with that...

it's not that anyone is doubting the merits or profitability of the film...it has far exceeded expectations and is a definite win...
it's the premise of the thread was that somehow a popcorn flick would cause disney to sue somebody who cuts a monthly check to them and then embark on a billion dollar constructing schedule because of a flick...

I don't want to beat the last place finisher at the belmont - but its really important that people understand that this IS NOT the way things are...because that kinda preschool thought process will lead to other circle threads of silliness and - in all seriousness - disappoint.

I genuinely don't like people to be disappointed about WDW. And in the new management reality that means be content with what they have right now and don't go off half cocked on tubular steel dreams. (that's a rollercoaster reference...)

I'm done....now can we get ready for the next "news and rumors" thread...which is going to be a ridiculous ticket price increase at WDW on the heels of the one at Disneyland last week - where daily tickets were jacked 7 % and the premium annual was cranked a whopping 30%!?!?
 
10 years ago I would have agreed that Marvel + Disney Parks doesn't make any sense.

Today I'm not so sure. And not because of the amount of money Avengers has made--well, not entirely--it's more about the presence of things like American Idol, Kim Possible, Phineas & Ferb (Epcot games) and shows built around now-dormant franchises like High School Musical. Throw Avatar in there, too.

Even a franchise like Cars, which hardly deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with Snow White or Toy Story, is now the subject of a $750 million theme park investment.

And the fact that Bob Iger confirmed they are working on Marvel concepts should lend it some credence, too.

I believe that the 2012 TWDC is much more likely to add Marvel characters to select parks than it would have in 2002 or 1982.

Ironically the one park where Marvel would fit best--Hollywood Studios--is one where they are prohibited from adding the characters.

That said, some of the unknowns include:

1. What is the scope? Adding a Marvel character meal or a Kim Possible-style quest game is much cheaper than turning Disneyland's Innoventions into a Stark Expo or building an entire Marvel theme park. :crazy2:

2. How quickly is Disney willing to act? In the past, Disney has sat on its properties for decades before deeming them park-worthy. But not so much anymore. Phineas & Ferb is less than 5 years old (and has a shorter lifespan than the Marvel characters, IMO.) Cars was about 3 years old before Cars Land was approved.

Given the contracts Disney has in place with the actors, they appear to be set-up for a decade-long run of films featuring these core Avengers characters. (Beyond that new characters can always be introduced and actors replaced.) If they have any hopes of bringing Marvel characters to the parks, now is the time to do it, IMO. Beginning work now certainly makes a lot more sense than opening WWoHP on the heels of Harry Potter film 8 of 8.
 
Today I'm not so sure. And not because of the amount of money Avengers has made--well, not entirely--it's more about the presence of things like American Idol, Kim Possible, Phineas & Ferb (Epcot games) and shows built around now-dormant franchises like High School Musical. Throw Avatar in there, too.

Just so you know Avatar will be around for quite awhile with 2 sequels in the works.
 
I'm cool with that...

it's not that anyone is doubting the merits or profitability of the film...it has far exceeded expectations and is a definite win...
it's the premise of the thread was that somehow a popcorn flick would cause disney to sue somebody who cuts a monthly check to them and then embark on a billion dollar constructing schedule because of a flick...

:thumbsup2 Marvel is an odd duck because of the preexisting contract with US.

A check in the hand is worth more than a billion dollars spent on a capital improvement.
 












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