Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[LOLA2]

Did everyone get their new point charts books because I didn't?

 

[Chuck S]

Did everyone get their new point charts books because I didn't?

Not yet. They seem to be arriving this week for many members. We're always a few days later here on our rural route.

 

[Mick West]

I have or will complete the following stays in 2009. All reservations have been made. The first number is 2009 points, the second is 2010 points. Yes, all stays begin on Sunday and are for either 4 or 5 nights.That's predominately how I use my points.

SSR 44/48
BCV 48/52
VB 60/70
AKV 153/173 (2 BR)
BCV 48/52

2009 points needed - 353
2010 points needed - 395

comparing apples to apples - my stays in 2010, due to the changes in points, is 42 points. So in 2010 I come very close to losing the equivalant of one of my trips. OK - I know it's not gonna change and I have to live with it, or sell. Still deciding between those two!!

 

[DVCGeek]

I did my math. I currently have 3 rooms booked, all BLT studios:

LV view, arrive Sun. 11/29/2009, 6 nights; 2 S-T choice, 3 S-T Adv., 1 F-S Adv.
@ 2009 chart: 98; @ 2010 chart: 98

MK, Sat. 01/30/2010, 6 nights; 1 F-S Adv., 1 S-T Adv., 4 S-T dream
@ 2009 chart: 124; @ 2010 chart: 127

SV, Mon. 02/01/2010, 3 S-T dream {for my parents...}
@ 2009 chart: 42; @ 2010 chart: 45

So my grand total on 2009 charts would be 264, 2010 = 270, and my actual happens to be 270 as well. A net change of 6 points. Not a big deal to me...

I can do my annual 6 night trip (only 1 Friday or Saturday) any season except Premier each year and have some of my 160 points left over. I don't want to deal with the 'Peak Season' crowds so I don't plan to ever go higher than dream! Will it cost me more? Sometimes, but not by much. Over the 5 different times of year I want to make trips, the grand total for DW & myself is costing us at most 3 additional points, over 5 years! Sometimes we may even end up saving a few points depending on when her BD or Thanksgiving fall in a year that we go around them.

 

[disneynutz]

We are short 30 points starting in 2010.

 

[DVCGeek]

Not yet. They seem to be arriving this week for many members. We're always a few days later here on our rural route.

The new vacation planners have shipped and people are actually getting them now? COOL! I hope you are right about that. No joy in northeast Ohio as of Saturday's mail, but fingers are crossed!

 

[circhead]

I own 350 points at VWL which gave me 1 week during magic season. Now that Disney has changed the points it will cost 352 pts for the same period and they won't allow me to buy only 2 points so that I can continue to go for a week. I am really upset about this. I know 25 points is the minimum add on but I didn't change the point requirement they did and I should be allowed to purchase what I need to continue to go for 1 week every year. President's week btw.

 

[Chuck S]

I own 350 points at VWL which gave me 1 week during magic season. Now that Disney has changed the points it will cost 352 pts for the same period and they won't allow me to buy only 2 points so that I can continue to go for a week. I am really upset about this. I know 25 points is the minimum add on but I didn't change the point requirement they did and I should be allowed to purchase what I need to continue to go for 1 week every year. President's week btw.

And what happens when they change again? Wouldn't it be better to have a little buffer of 25 points? At worst, you be banking a few points every year, and could maybe add an extra night every few years.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

I own 350 points at VWL which gave me 1 week during magic season. Now that Disney has changed the points it will cost 352 pts for the same period and they won't allow me to buy only 2 points so that I can continue to go for a week. I am really upset about this. I know 25 points is the minimum add on but I didn't change the point requirement they did and I should be allowed to purchase what I need to continue to go for 1 week every year. President's week btw.

As noted earlier, next year borrow 2 points, the year after that 4, ... 6, ... 8, etc. Of course that will leave you short in 2042.

 

[Dean]

As noted earlier, next year borrow 2 points, the year after that 4, ... 6, ... 8, etc. Of course that will leave you short in 2042.

Less than 1 weekend night for the life of the contract for a 2 BR during the season quoted, assuming no further changes. Not worth getting upset over regardless. Of course some might see it as an excuse to add on but only of adding on makes sense anyway.

 

[Mick West]

I have read with interest many of these posts during the last two weeks. I have even posted a couple of times myself. Two things I totally understand. 1) Disney Management could care less if the changes are liked or not liked by a single owner in DVC and 2) It ain't gonna change! With that said I'm gonna make my last comments on the subject. I think the changes are absolutely horrible! I hate them! Why? Because it negatively impacts me! My 2009 trips total 353 points. The exact same trips in 2010 total 395 points. Based on this one startling fact I'm supposed to like this change why? Yes, my travel habits are primarily to use my points on Sun - Fri. I don't do this 100% of the time but that is my routine. And I know this will sound horrible and I don't mean it that way, but I'm not concerned with anyone's travel habits but mine! I read with great interest many of the sponsor's comments defending this change to the hilt. I expect that. The one I found really intersting was the reply to a person that stated they needed 3 more points now, and the sponsor answered by saying get a 25 point add on to cover any future changes. I've always thought that part of this change was to prompt add-on contracts. Now some will say I whine, some will say I need to think of all, sponsors will again spit out the "facts" of why this is a good thing - and I keep coming back to MY bottom line: 353 points in 2009/395 in 2010 - good for me how??

 

[bobbiwoz]

Mick West, who is the sponsor?


Bobbi

 

[mickeymom629]

I believe he was referring to Chuck S's post a few back - a Dis Sponsor.

 

[Dean]

I have read with interest many of these posts during the last two weeks. I have even posted a couple of times myself. Two things I totally understand. 1) Disney Management could care less if the changes are liked or not liked by a single owner in DVC and 2) It ain't gonna change! With that said I'm gonna make my last comments on the subject. I think the changes are absolutely horrible! I hate them! Why? Because it negatively impacts me! My 2009 trips total 353 points. The exact same trips in 2010 total 395 points. Based on this one startling fact I'm supposed to like this change why? Yes, my travel habits are primarily to use my points on Sun - Fri. I don't do this 100% of the time but that is my routine. And I know this will sound horrible and I don't mean it that way, but I'm not concerned with anyone's travel habits but mine! I read with great interest many of the sponsor's comments defending this change to the hilt. I expect that. The one I found really intersting was the reply to a person that stated they needed 3 more points now, and the sponsor answered by saying get a 25 point add on to cover any future changes. I've always thought that part of this change was to prompt add-on contracts. Now some will say I whine, some will say I need to think of all, sponsors will again spit out the "facts" of why this is a good thing - and I keep coming back to MY bottom line: 353 points in 2009/395 in 2010 - good for me how??

You don't have to like it and I wouldn't expect you to given how it affects you. It affects me in exactly the same way given essentially all my stays on points have been S-F. But you should understand it and the reasons it was needed. I think it's harsh to say DVC doesn't care though caring doesn't mean the change shouldn't happen even if it affects you negatively. And given that I believe the change was necessary, and had been for several years, it shouldn't change back no matter how many don't like it. Unfortunately your post reflects the attitude of many, basically to heck with the majority and what's best for the system and what's in it for that person. At least you're honest about it.

 

[bobbiwoz]

I believe he was referring to Chuck S's post a few back - a Dis Sponsor.

Thanks, I thought he was referring to the Timeshare Store...I didn't understand.

Bobbi

 

[gszen]

Thanks for the update, will definitely alter my plans!

 

[OneMoreTry]

I have read with interest many of these posts during the last two weeks. I have even posted a couple of times myself. Two things I totally understand. 1) Disney Management could care less if the changes are liked or not liked by a single owner in DVC and 2) It ain't gonna change! With that said I'm gonna make my last comments on the subject. I think the changes are absolutely horrible! I hate them! Why? Because it negatively impacts me! My 2009 trips total 353 points. The exact same trips in 2010 total 395 points. Based on this one startling fact I'm supposed to like this change why? Yes, my travel habits are primarily to use my points on Sun - Fri. I don't do this 100% of the time but that is my routine. And I know this will sound horrible and I don't mean it that way, but I'm not concerned with anyone's travel habits but mine! I read with great interest many of the sponsor's comments defending this change to the hilt. I expect that. The one I found really intersting was the reply to a person that stated they needed 3 more points now, and the sponsor answered by saying get a 25 point add on to cover any future changes. I've always thought that part of this change was to prompt add-on contracts. Now some will say I whine, some will say I need to think of all, sponsors will again spit out the "facts" of why this is a good thing - and I keep coming back to MY bottom line: 353 points in 2009/395 in 2010 - good for me how??

I THINK the whole point of the change is to get people like you (and me) to rethink their vacation plans -- so some will start using more weekend days and even out unbalanced demand.

I will definitely take advantage of this because I frequently end up with extra points so will now find weekends more attractive. I used to spend only one weekend night but will now be much more likely to spend 2. If I end up running out of points I will either bank/borrow or rent. And when the economy improves I'll likely buy. If DW approves.

(This is a good example of hedonism versus utilitarianism.)

 

[vascubaguy]

This completely alters our vacation plans and will ultimately result in less visits to Disney because I have no plans to add-on more points.

We purchased enough points to travel to Disney twice each year (or once each year booking 2 rooms to take family/friends). The new point structure throws all that off and requires more points, meaning I would have to start borrowing points and occassionally skip trips.

They want to make weekend stays more accessible to owners by subsidizing the costs to those who stay on weekdays! I hate it and can't believe DVC management is this stupid. For those who were already staying the weekends, it won't be much of a change, it only penalizes those of us who stayed Sun-Thurs nights.

I hate to say it, but it has me rethinking ownership... maybe by 2010 the resale market will be "better".

 

[tjkraz]

They want to make weekend stays more accessible to owners by subsidizing the costs to those who stay on weekdays! I hate it and can't believe DVC management is this stupid.

If that's your perspective, then we cannot ignore that DVC has been subsidizing weekday stays since the program's inception.

The only reason that members were able to get a SSR Studio for 11 points per weeknight in Adventure season is because DVC forced weekend guests to pay 20 points per night. Now apparently the trends show that 12 weekday / 18 weekend is a more appropriate balance.

I don't see where stupidity even enters into the equation. The resorts are designed to be at 98% occupancy year-round and the point distribution (seasons, weekday/weekend) should be representative of member demand. IMHO, their biggest mistake was ignoring the problem for so long.

 

[vascubaguy]

... Unfortunately your post reflects the attitude of many, basically to heck with the majority and what's best for the system and what's in it for that person. At least you're honest about it.

Here's the problem with that statement... that "majority" bought into DVC knowing the point structure for the weekends, and I say "majority" because do we have any actual numbers to verify it is a majority?

We all bought in knowing the point structure and many of us bought the number of points we needed to support our travel plans. This change completely throws that off. Disadvantaging the "minority" for the sake of the "majority"....