Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[KLR-wlv]

THat is interesting about GV at AKV - I think AK has the best point chart now. At WL - the rooms are mostly the same points as Savannah view (?) (I know that dumpster view at WL is pretty equal to giraffes) So the standard view at AK is a bargain - as well as the GV's now...probably just to get people to buy there and then they'll yank that rug in 2011! Whatever's legal must be fair.

 

[ems_mom]

I can certainly see how this reallocation of weekday/weekend points makes sense. However, I believe DVC was very misleading when marketing BLT add-ons.

My guide asked "why did you choose x number of points?" I explained that this number would allow us to stay in a 1 bedroom Sun.-Th. every 3rd year with banking and borrowing. And her response..."Wow, you really thought this out. Great! And how are you paying, etc...."

We signed the paperwork (did not finance) 1/14 and FedEx'd it to DVC on the 15th. And now we are 3 points shy of being able to take the vacation we planned for.

Obviously DVC management knew about the new points chart even if my guide did not. And of course I would have purchased 3 more points had I known. No, I wasn't expecting a points adjustment 1 week after I purchased.

Is my dismay unreasonable? How would you feel in my position?

 

[ashbradnmom]

Without change the world we be a real boring place?

 

[glennbo123]

They are the same .

I knew they would, but over the time we were waiting I held out a sliver of hope that they wouldn't be as drastic as the "mistaken" post. Dashed.

 

[LoveToDisney]

RE: from the website. "However, a full week's stay will essentially cost the same amount of Vacation Points as before."

ESSENTIALLY = WOW, that's not essentially!!!! What a choice of words. You may be short a few points to complete your week's vacation but that "essentially" okay with them. Those few points creates PROBLEMS when you are banking and borrowing!

 

[lugnut33]

I can certainly see how this reallocation of weekday/weekend points makes sense. However, I believe DVC was very misleading when marketing BLT add-ons.

My guide asked "why did you choose x number of points?" I explained that this number would allow us to stay in a 1 bedroom Sun.-Th. every 3rd year with banking and borrowing. And her response..."Wow, you really thought this out. Great! And how are you paying, etc...."

We signed the paperwork (did not finance) 1/14 and FedEx'd it to DVC on the 15th. And now we are 3 points shy of being able to take the vacation we planned for.

Obviously DVC management knew about the new points chart even if my guide did not. And of course I would have purchased 3 more points had I known. No, I wasn't expecting a points adjustment 1 week after I purchased.

Is my dismay unreasonable? How would you feel in my position?

Yours is the worst type of screwing in this whole deal. Brand new to DVC and wham-O, you get sucker punched. Sorry it went down this way.

According to some though, you didn't do your due diligence and since what DVC did was legal it's GREEEEEAAAAATTTT!!

 

[MrsMork]

We are not happy about this change. We were told in 2002 when we bought, not once but twice, by our guide that the points would NEVER go up. We plan our Florida vacations to maximize our points by using them Sun thru Thurs. and those points have gone up considerably. We do not live close enough to do weekends. I have called member services and told them we are not pleased. We have been huge promoters of DVC, many people have told us they should be paying us.....that will stop. I can no longer say the points will not go up.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I can certainly see how this reallocation of weekday/weekend points makes sense. However, I believe DVC was very misleading when marketing BLT add-ons.

My guide asked "why did you choose x number of points?" I explained that this number would allow us to stay in a 1 bedroom Sun.-Th. every 3rd year with banking and borrowing. And her response..."Wow, you really thought this out. Great! And how are you paying, etc...."

We signed the paperwork (did not finance) 1/14 and FedEx'd it to DVC on the 15th. And now we are 3 points shy of being able to take the vacation we planned for.

Obviously DVC management knew about the new points chart even if my guide did not. And of course I would have purchased 3 more points had I known. No, I wasn't expecting a points adjustment 1 week after I purchased.

Is my dismay unreasonable? How would you feel in my position?

That's bad, really, really bad.

 

[mybabesuz]

We just bought 180pt. AKV contract so we could stay every other year in a 2BR SV for a week Magic season... 360pts
And a SSR 2BR Sun-Thurs would be 180pts...Now 200 points !!!
We specifically asked if the points would change. Our guide said that they might sift around the weeks or a day shift here and there,
But the points we needed would not change.
Well with the new chart that week is now 361 points instead of 360.
Leaving us short ONE point for each trip.
And now we can't even add on another 20 or 25 points!
I think I will be calling my guide to see if there is anyway we could add on that 25 points, since we feel he mislead us.
I guess we should have bought the 200 points...
We didn't because we were hoping eventually to also buy a BWV or BCV contract resale.

 

[Inkmahm]

I can certainly see how this reallocation of weekday/weekend points makes sense. However, I believe DVC was very misleading when marketing BLT add-ons.

My guide asked "why did you choose x number of points?" I explained that this number would allow us to stay in a 1 bedroom Sun.-Th. every 3rd year with banking and borrowing. And her response..."Wow, you really thought this out. Great! And how are you paying, etc...."

We signed the paperwork (did not finance) 1/14 and FedEx'd it to DVC on the 15th. And now we are 3 points shy of being able to take the vacation we planned for.

Obviously DVC management knew about the new points chart even if my guide did not. And of course I would have purchased 3 more points had I known. No, I wasn't expecting a points adjustment 1 week after I purchased.

Is my dismay unreasonable? How would you feel in my position?

I'd be irritated beyond belief. Disney did NOT handle this well at all.

 

[toocherie]

I'd be irritated beyond belief. Disney did NOT handle this well at all.

absolutely agree with that statement.

 

[Cindaddy]

I'd be irritated beyond belief. Disney did NOT handle this well at all.

Huge understatement and very true.

 

[KLR-wlv]

I can certainly see how this reallocation of weekday/weekend points makes sense. However, I believe DVC was very misleading when marketing BLT add-ons.

My guide asked "why did you choose x number of points?" I explained that this number would allow us to stay in a 1 bedroom Sun.-Th. every 3rd year with banking and borrowing. And her response..."Wow, you really thought this out. Great! And how are you paying, etc...."

We signed the paperwork (did not finance) 1/14 and FedEx'd it to DVC on the 15th. And now we are 3 points shy of being able to take the vacation we planned for.

Obviously DVC management knew about the new points chart even if my guide did not. And of course I would have purchased 3 more points had I known. No, I wasn't expecting a points adjustment 1 week after I purchased.

Is my dismay unreasonable? How would you feel in my position?

You are still within your 10 day window to cancel - Call and cancel!

 

[Starr W.]

I'd be irritated beyond belief. Disney did NOT handle this well at all.

Have they handled anything well in the last year?

The change in the reservation system? No on that one.

Change from II to RCI? No on that one.

Now the new point charts? blundered that one too,

If this was a hockey game, I would throw my hat on the ice because DVC has a hat trick!

(player scores 3 goals in a game is called a hat trick, for the non-hockey fan members out there).

Is this DVC upper mgmt?

 

[alldiz]

We just bought 180pt. AKV contract so we could stay every other year in a 2BR SV for a week Magic season... 360pts
And a SSR 2BR Sun-Thurs would be 180pts...Now 200 points !!!
We specifically asked if the points would change. Our guide said that they might sift around the weeks or a day shift here and there,
But the points we needed would not change.
Well with the new chart that week is now 361 points instead of 360.
Leaving us short ONE point for each trip.
And now we can't even add on another 20 or 25 points!
I think I will be calling my guide to see if there is anyway we could add on that 25 points, since we feel he mislead us.
I guess we should have bought the 200 points...
We didn't because we were hoping eventually to also buy a BWV or BCV contract resale.

this is what makes me CRAZY......here a new DVC'er feels mislead....yet they feel the need to give disney MORE MONEY

Please....I feel for you...but it makes me crazy.
Disney knew people would not have enough points now.....and they "knew" that people would just buy more points.
Never mind demanding 1 more point.....let me buy 25 more.
Please don't take my post the wrong way....I am outraged for you....and myself.
Kerri

 

[anna08]

I also am in the group of folks with a recent BLT add-on and while I respect Disney's need to stay profitable, I despise dishonesty, and teach this to my kids, nurses and medical students everyday. And now I can't add more points without spending $10k. Given the expense and length of time with which they publicize the minimum point increase, cost increases, etc etc with glossy postcards and calls from our guide, it is disgusting the way this is presented last minute (aren't 11 month reservations for 2010 starting tomorrow for anyone checking in 12/24 and staying for a week?). I will NOT promote DVC anymore, not recommend my guide who did not tell me of this 9 days ago when I purchased, and I will not buy more points. What this gets Disney is bad - I will stay fewer days and over the years that adds up to spending much less money in their parks. Thanks for letting me rant...

 

[LisaS]

If you owned a % of a single villa, that might be true, but a "Unit 1B" is not a single villa - it is a group of villas which would include at least several different villas if not some from all types. At OKW a "unit" is an entire building (and not all buildings have GVs), but it is different at other resorts - some have even posted room groupings by "unit" for AKV. This is the reason that "The total points at the resort" cannot change, but the points may be reallocated - even to the extent of a "maximum reallocation" where every night would be the same. Again, I don't think any DVC member owns a portion of a single villa.

This is how it has been explained to me by several from DVC in conversations over the years.

AKV might be an exception here. In Jambo House there are units that consist of just one GV and nothing else. There are also several units that consist of either 3 or 4 dedicated studios and no other room type.

 

[Uncle Remus]

this is what makes me CRAZY......here a new DVC'er feels mislead....yet they feel the need to give disney MORE MONEY

Please....I feel for you...but it makes me crazy.
Disney knew people would not have enough points now.....and they "knew" that people would just buy more points.
Never mind demanding 1 more point.....let me buy 25 more.
Please don't take my post the wrong way....I am outraged for you....and myself.
Kerri

I "get" what you're sayin'.

Look at the folks who are down by 1-3 points, who the hell can even buy 1-3 extra points.

This adjustment means I cut my two 5 day trips down to two 4 days instead, Disney loses nothing.

 

[MrsMork]

Without change the world we be a real boring place?

Not necessarily. I have been married to the same man for 41 years and it is definately not boring. Change is not always a good thing.

 

[MiaSRN62]

epcotwanderer : I'm in Massachusetts ( I think that's over your 1,000 miles away too) so we have to fly too. You choose to travel when you would like just like we do. We fly in Fri morning and leave Monday afternoon usually, while you CHOOSE to do it differently.

If that is how you choose to vacation, then more power to ya. But your plan includes missing 2 school days which we cannot do. So has nothing to do with a CHOICE on my part. As far as the rules of my kids' school we simply CANNOT do it. Not to mention the majority of sports my kids do or have done over the years (baseball, football, track & field ,soccer etc), all took place on the weekends. I couldn't have them missing practices, games and meets. Heck, my son's football coach didn't even like him missing practice if he was sick. He wanted him there and sitting in the stands if he was sick.
Also I'm an RN. I am mandated to work a large majority of weekends. Right now I work every other.....but for many years I worked 3 out of 4 weekends every month. So how can you imply what works for you will work for others ? I can't have my kids missing school and sports. Sorry. Yep....I simply just CHOSE to spend more points than you had to since you had the luxury of vacationing in low season. I just enjoyed using up more points.....that's it...........personally I would have MUCH preferred to travel in low seasons which are less hot and crowded in FL and escape the winters of PA. But, it wasn't a CHOICE and that's what you are missing here.

It's a very cavalier attitude to simply state that I "choose" to vacation in the summer. Uhhhh....maybe I have a very valid and unmovable reason for this ? Oh...and yeah...I do believe MA is further than PA (thank you)

PrincessDadx2 : You have been subsidized for years in Magic season to the detriment of everyone who travels in the other seasons. Assuming the change is based on actual DVC demand patterns, which seems logical, Disney had charged too few points for Magic season and Sun-Thurs. You should have paid higher points - closer to premier because Magic season has higher actual demand than Disney forecast. This has apparently become such a large subsidy that Disney needs to balance it out. This creates winners and losers, but is "fairer" in the sense that the point requirements better match when people actually want to travel on a whole. What they are saying is that you should have bought 180 points instead of 150 points based on hindsight. So you have been getting a bargain, but it will no longer continue.

Oh ok.....nice.......but then I suppose Adventure and Choice season were subdized as well ? Would have been nice to know this at time of purchase. To know, that in a span of days I go from 150 to 180 points for my yearly vacation. We asked our guide back in 2000...."how much should we buy". Went with their recommendation so apparently she was clueless and useless in "guiding" me through the sale......I would have been fine with a smaller point jump for our vacation. I would have no problem with having to borrow 10 points or so -----but 30 is a unmanageable/unreasonable amount for us. I still don't get how some people can say I've been getting a bargain when I can say the same thing to people who have used much less points by traveling in low seasons when I could not. But I never said anything like that over the years. I accepted I had to travel in Magic season and planned accordingly. I would have been fine with a smaller requirement of points in all honesty.

jmtf2004 : Unfortunately you have been counting on the points structure remaining unchanged for the duration of your contract...as has been mentioned many times in this thread already, the allocation of points was not guaranteed to remain the same in the contract you signed when you purchased DVC.
Here are my suggestions to add to your list:
1) Change your length of stay - you could alternate years with shorter and longer stays, or vacation every other year by banking/borrowing
2) Top up by renting points from another member and keep your traditional plan

Again, please, we could have swallowed a point jump of 6, 8 or 10. But ya gotta admit, finding an extra 30 is a big deal ? Sure I knew there could be some allocation.......this is just pretty significant and drastic. Some keep repeating that we lamenters had to have known. Yes already....we knew. It's the drastic point difference that has me. And of course I've already mentioned my disdain with the timing.
I'm pretty sure we'll be the family in the parking lot of OKW you see with air mattresses under our arms because we've been relegated to a 1 bedroom......