Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[huey578]

Did they take off the 2010 points chart for AKV? It's not coming up

 

[Starr W.]

YES, YES, YES...I was beginning to think that my guide was the only guide who explained how the point system work (until my eyes crossed). I think she repeated herself several times and did different scenarios for my DH's benefit, because I was clear that the TOTAL resort points didn't change BUT the season/day points may change at ANY time. The phrase I remember was "IF the points decrease for this weekend night THEN they have to go up some other night." We went through several different ways to use points and ended up buying a tad more to take in account a change in the way we may want to vacation.

Our guide also explained it to us also. If he's reading this(he's a casual lurker and knows my screen name) .

 

[jlewisinsyr]

Trying to avoid a what-if scenario, but Disney needs to be aware of how their agents sell the contracts. Although they do clearly state they can change, the guides sell the points based on the points charts, this could be presented as an issue legally in terms of DVC changing points in the future.

The guides are Disney employees, and anything the guides say is representative of Disney and the methodology they use to sell points is contradictory to the contract itself. In most forms of contracts, selling is part of the total package and misrepresentation of the product, regardless of the contract can lead to lawsuits.

 

[maminnie]

I too am very disappointed. We purchased our initial contract and our add-on contract (two different resorts) with particular seasons and length of stays in mind. Reservations using both contracts are now effected by these changes.

Once again, what can we do as voicing our concerns and disappointment will likely yield nothing as with past issues with DVC changes and modifications or should I say "MEMBER ENHANCEMENTS"!!!!!

maminnie

 

[Dean]

see now for a newbie this is a scary thought that makes me regret my purchase

DVC has the OBLIGATION and legal requirement to keep demand and usage within a relatively narrow range. The main tool they have to do this is by adjusting the points from weekends/weekdays and one season to another. The overall points won't change. The only people who should be truly adversely affected will be those that tried to cut it close with a partial week, off season choice or smaller unit (or combo). That's one of the reasons I've always recommended buying a cushion of points for those looking at specific unit choices. Nothing scary about it unless one made the mistake of assuming points can't change but not understanding the product they were buying.

Dean how could they put a min stay if the whole "sell" of DVC is you can use your points anyway you want for any length of stay? just wondering..

simple, the POS says they can, up to 5 days. People have to learn the difference between legal options and hype. Verbal representations and past hx mean little if not protected in the paperwork. Whether they'll do, we'll see, my point was to expect further changes over the years and this was a good example I knew would get people's attention.

 

[Chuck S]

Our guide also explained it to us also. If he's reading this(he's a casual lurker and knows my screen name) .

My guide explained this very well to us in 1992, too. I think, though, that some of the problem for newer members who may now not have enough points could also be that in 1992, 230 points was the minimum buy-in. I think the 150 point minimum, which was in effect for several years, didn't really allow for additional points in case of a re-allocation. It really was a disservice to many buyers to have that low of a minimum buy-in.

And, it also would probably be good if Disney had not allowed small resale contracts to pass ROFR, except to people who are already members. Really, if someone only owns 25 points total through resale, a re-allocation can make their interest almost unusable.

 

[logan115]

Well -

I'm on the fence about buying into DVC, and was originally looking at 75 pt resale contracts that would cover a Sun-Thurs stay in a 1br every other year and part of a studio on the weekend.

Now it's looking like I go up to a 100 pt contract or skip it all together.

Suppose the Sun-Thurs thing was too good to last forever, but tacking on another 4-6 pts/night is a bit harsh. As I'm not a member I can't see the new charts (if they're even up anymore), but how does the math work that it's benefit to owners to pay 4-6 pts more 5 nights/week to save even 7-8 on the other 2

Geez - I've done my own "Disney math" when even trying to justify the viability of buying in, but realistically another 20-30 pts for a 5 night stay is a bit steep.

Chris

 

[Doug7856]

In my opinion, DVC should seek member feedback and should give a minimum of 2 years notice for such a significant change so that members can plan accordingly. Many of us have made plans for several years out and this is disruptive to our plans based on realistic expectations.

DVC is destroying a lot of good will with this move. It is shocking for a company that has to survive by repeat business to implement such a controversial change. This move is very bad for their business model. I will not be earning any referral bonuses because I cannot in good conscience recommend DVC. Mr. Iger should be remember that it is very difficult to regain trust once it has been lost.

Just my opinion, yours may differ.

 

[erionm]

Did they take off the 2010 points chart for AKV? It's not coming up

They have been taken off the member website.

 

[Mamiamjo]

Yes the charts are down.

looking at what was posted for BCV, if you stay for 7 nights the points are "mostly" the same. Although the week we were planning on going in 2010 the weekly points went UP 2 points. We had exactly the number we needed so now we'll have to borrow 2 points or only stay 6 days

It seems that if you stay for less than 7 days, including no weekend days (or even one weekend day) you'll end up using more points which will negatively affect a lot of DVCers that stay Sun -Thur.
It really only seems to help people that will stay less than a week but include both week end days.

 

[iloveokw]

Please don't flame me. When we bought DVC 13 yrs ago the reason for having higher points on the weekends was so that the members living in Florida or nearby couldn't book up weekends making it difficult for members like us to book a full week or more vacation. We bought enough points so that we can book and not stay somewhere else on the weekends. I have already emailed my concerns to MS about not being able to get a weekend when booking because of this change.

 

[toocherie]

Trying to avoid a what-if scenario, but Disney needs to be aware of how their agents sell the contracts. Although they do clearly state they can change, the guides sell the points based on the points charts, this could be presented as an issue legally in terms of DVC changing points in the future.

The guides are Disney employees, and anything the guides say is representative of Disney and the methodology they use to sell points is contradictory to the contract itself. In most forms of contracts, selling is part of the total package and misrepresentation of the product, regardless of the contract can lead to lawsuits.

actually, I suspect somewhere in that contract is a pretty standard clause in real estate transactions that unless it's written in the contract, any verbal or other representation or idea made by an employee (i.e. Guide) cannot be relied upon.

 

[logan115]

What's next - WDW giving away free food to attract people at off-peak times, oh, wait a second...........

Chris

 

[RobDoc]

Trying to avoid a what-if scenario, but Disney needs to be aware of how their agents sell the contracts. Although they do clearly state they can change, the guides sell the points based on the points charts, this could be presented as an issue legally in terms of DVC changing points in the future.

The guides are Disney employees, and anything the guides say is representative of Disney and the methodology they use to sell points is contradictory to the contract itself. In most forms of contracts, selling is part of the total package and misrepresentation of the product, regardless of the contract can lead to lawsuits.

The contract you must sign has a disclaimer stating that the printed document takes precedent over any verbal communications. While the guides may be misleading at times, their comments do not override the terms spelled out in the POS you will (or have already) signed to close.

In this case, the point charts will not change until 2010, so any comments a guide might make about reservations is still true thru the end of 2009. The written contract still reflects the legal description of the program and is the final word in what was agreed to at closing.

This is the second time such a change has occurred - the last being 1996 at OKW (that change was announced in the fall of 1994).

 

[jlewisinsyr]

The contract you must sign has a disclaimer stating that the printed document takes precedent over any verbal communications. While the guides may be misleading at times, their comments do not override the terms spelled out in the POS you will (or have already) signed to close.

Those same terms and conditions are in many contracts, including insurance and investments, and let me tell you, more then one case has entered class status because of how a product was sold.

 

[Chuck S]

As I'm not a member I can't see the new charts (if they're even up anymore), but how does the math work that it's benefit to owners to pay 4-6 pts more 5 nights/week to save even 7-8 on the other 2

I suppose in theory, it could lower resort operating costs by evening out demand for housekeepers and front desk personal, rather than have an overload on Fridays and Sundays, and may lead to getting members into their rooms more quickly. But, often theory and what really happens, are entirely different.

 

[pouncingpluto]

Things can be wrong without being unethical or illegal. For example, I think it was "wrong" for Disney to get rid of the Mickey-shaped butter at CRT and the glow-in-the dark Sci Fi Diner mugs. Legal - sure, Ethical - sure - but I still think they were wrong decisions.

My motto: Don't ruin the magic.

I agree... it wasn't an either, or question... those were the two that had already been eliminated, so I was asking in what OTHER sense.

 

[logan115]

speculation?

DVC made a mistake and those weren't the right charts . . . .

DVC started getting tons of irate calls and emails and decided to lay low . . . .

??????

Ever wonder if the folks at DVC put something on the member site for kicks, then check DIS an hour later and see what the reaction is..........

 

[pouncingpluto]

Hey Puncing are you a mich fan iused to live in ypsi and love the big Blue....i do not think ive been wronged i just dont like it...it certainly is legal i m on the wrong side of the fence this time..just my choosing of the word wrong..nothing here done illegally just i dont think it is the right thing to do

I am! I'm in the law school at Michigan, and my husband is a double Michigan alum himself.

 

[vicki_c]

When we bought DVC 13 yrs ago the reason for having higher points on the weekends was so that the members living in Florida or nearby couldn't book up weekends making it difficult for members like us to book a full week or more vacation.

Where does it say that's why there's higher points on weekends? I don't think that's in your membership info.

I assumed it was higher points on weekends because the price for staying on weekends on cash is higher as well (although that wasn't always true). Or I at least assume that it's about supply and demand - they charge more on weekends because they're in higher demand, even if it seems that most members only stay Sun-Thurs.

I'm not flaming you at all - everyone's entitled to their opinion about the changes, but you say it like that was DVC's statement about the points -- was it?