Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[BWV Dreamin]

Do you think that this will increase, decrease, or have no effect on the amount of resales on the market ?

1) Increase - from people that are now "short" points and decide to sell DVC.
2) Decrease - from people that are now "short" points and decide to BUY more to maintain their existing vacation plans.
3) No effect - will basically have the same amount of people selling as buying.

Chris

Well, I think my 30 pt. BLT contract just appreciated 100%!

 

[CaptHomer]

Another advantage to Disney will be fewer change overs in rooms, I think, so fewer housekeeping costs.

Just in general, I think longer stays are looked on favorably by Disney to save housekeeping. Now we'll see if the weekend point drop is enough to get locals to come for just a weekend at a time. That would offset a bit of the housekeeping savings I think.

I don't think they care about housekeeping costs. If they can just push the cost onto us through higher annual dues then they don't care. Although they are probably profiting on the housekeeping portion of the dues.

 

[Debbie Jean]

I am unable to see what the news points are for 2010. On the member website I can only find 2009? Am I missing something?
Also, is this only for 2010 or from now on?

Me, too!

All I see are 2010 points for the Cruise line... did they take the 2010 DVC resorts down???

Edited to add: Oops, just saw that they had taken it down... that's what I get for not reading the whole thread!

 

[dzorn]

AKV has been open since July 2007 with the converted units in Jambo House.

Yes I do realize that I think with all the DVC occupancy trends data from other resorts, less than two year you should not have to be readjusting the chart already. How many years was OKW open before they made any adjustment?

Long term I am not sure how this will work for us, but at the very least I am disappointed that the initial point charts for BLT and AKV were poorly planned. I do not think occupancy trends have changed tremendously since they were created and should have been better to begin with. DVC should be planning better for the long term.

I would love to see a chart with the occupancy trends. I really doubt that many units sat empty during Premier season, yet those points went down for the weeks.

If is necessary then so be it, but give members adequate notice. If this was a 2011 adjustment I would be less concerned than I am now.

Denise in MI

 

[december14disney]

 

[dzorn]

Not going to defend how they announced the changes, but if every other resort, including Jambo at AKV, had lower occupancy on weekends, it really wasn't a stretch to assume Kadini and BLT would as well

Yes but they should have taken this in account when the charts were developed in the first place.

Denise in MI

 

[spiceycat]

Me, too!

All I see are 2010 points for the Cruise line... did they take the 2010 DVC resorts down???

think they are reconsidering.

especially BLT - the points are higher PERIOD. at least for what I have seem.

true some weekend points are lower - but all weekday points are higher.

BLT has not even OPENED. so they knew this last month and still allowed us to buy at BLT - knowing that the point costs would be going up.

pretty sure that BLT owners have a case against Disney.

Especially since there are more weekdays in a year than weekends.

anyway need to work - will get back later.

 

[Splash Mountain Fan]

This is not good news for us either. We have just enough points to take 2 five-day trips a year. Back to the drawing board.

 

[Sammie]

I know they are within the POS to do this and at this point until the point charts settle and we experience booking with the changes first hand; I am not sure whether I will be against this greatly or it will be ok.

What I am "SICK and TIRED" off is them making major changes to things with the same old message of, due to member requests. Who are these members making these requests.

I feel that when a major change is made there really needs to be a survey of the total membership made, not just complaints made to the Member Satisfaction Team. What about the members who were happy with the way it was. but felt no need to let them know. Does their want not count.

How hard would it be to use an email survey or post an announcement on the member site with a link to survey members.

I am really tried of feeling like they truly do not care anymore and are just going to run rough shod over us.

 

[PMDR59]

Good for some bad for others!!!

Doesnt really affect us one way or the other. We recently bought in Aug for AKV. Based the decison on the points we bought (230) on several different things. waht we could afford being number 1. Then we looked at ALL the resorts point charts for 1br for the times we usually travel. AKV SV of course being the highest. And took into account that we would sometimes be banking or borrowing depending on when we actually go. In 09 we are going 2x and it is not our normal vacation times. We are booked at SSR in August for a 1br using 229 of our 230 developer points. And the week after Thanksgiving in AKV 1br SV. Being that it fell into UY 09 and UY 10 (our UY is Dec) we used 96 pts banked 134 into UY10 and used 114 of the banked points for the Dec dates of our stay. Leaving us with UY 10 of 230 + the 20 left over that we banked.

While I understand some people are very set in their ways on how & when they use their points, there is never ANY guarantee that what you want is going to be available when you want it.

 

[PMDR59]

Good for some bad for others!!!

Doesnt really affect us one way or the other. We recently bought in Aug for AKV. Based the decison on the points we bought (230) on several different things. waht we could afford being number 1. Then we looked at ALL the resorts point charts for 1br for the times we usually travel. AKV SV of course being the highest. And took into account that we would sometimes be banking or borrowing depending on when we actually go. In 09 we are going 2x and it is not our normal vacation times. We are booked at SSR in August for a 1br using 229 of our 230 developer points. And the week after Thanksgiving in AKV 1br SV. Being that it fell into UY 09 and UY 10 (our UY is Dec) we used 96 pts banked 134 into UY10 and used 114 of the banked points for the Dec dates of our stay. Leaving us with UY 10 of 230 + the 20 left over that we banked.

While I understand some people are very set in their ways on how & when they use their points, there is never ANY guarantee that what you want is going to be available when you want it.

 

[logan115]

Well, I think my 30 pt. BLT contract just appreciated 100%!

That's what I was thinking too - smaller resale contracts are going to cost more. Which messes me up because I don't even anywhere yet

Granted I was looking at buying in with a 50-75 pt contract (we expect to go every other year or 2 out of 3 years if we're lucky), but now it looks like it only would make sense if I buy a 100 pt contract or bigger.

Oh well, will just have to wait and see what happens next.

 

[DiznyDi]

This doesn't seem to have a significant impact on us. We almost always stay 1 weekend, sometimes moving from a smaller into a larger room to save points. For our planned 2009 trips, those same trips in 2010 would actually save us 8 points; 7 points on one trip and 1 point on the other.

to the Sunday-Friday travelers. It looks like you will be the ones most significantly affected.

 

[dzorn]

I know they are within the POS to do this and at this point until the point charts settle and we experience booking with the changes first hand; I am not sure whether I will be against this greatly or it will be ok.

What I am "SICK and TIRED" off is them making major changes to things with the same old message of, due to member requests. Who are these members making these requests.

I feel that when a major change is made there really needs to be a survey of the total membership made, not just complaints made to the Member Satisfaction Team. What about the members who were happy with the way it was. but felt no need to let them know. Does their want not count.

How hard would it be to use an email survey or post an announcement on the member site with a link to survey members.

I am really tried of feeling like they truly do not care anymore and are just going to run rough shod over us.

I agree I am more upset with the way thing are planned then poorly executed.

Denise in MI

 

[dnoyes]

I just checked the point chart December14dis posted (hey, that's my birthday by the way) and the same trip we have booked for Nov 2009 will cost a total of 6 more points in 2010. I have a two bedroom and a studio for 9 nights each. The 2br went up 5 and the studio 1. it is what it is I guess.

To be fair, my guide DID tell me this could and likely would happen at some point.

 

[tjkraz]

Well, I think my 30 pt. BLT contract just appreciated 100%!

I don't know about that. The interested market would appear to be only existing BLT owners who have a need for a small number of points at their Home resort. Among those who are not BLT owners (both current and non-DVC owners) the demand for a small contract is now lower because those points don't go nearly as far as they have in the past.

Ultimately I don't see there being a rash of small add-ons because of this move. I think people will use the borrowing privileges to meet their immediate needs and save the add-ons for larger quantities. I can tell you this--if I had known about this 10 months ago it would have changed my outlook on the 40-pt BWV add-on we bought.

 

[AnnaS]

Could these surveys have been done when members call MS to inquire/make a reservation and they ask you if you will take a survey at the end of the call?

Just a thought. I know the few times I did call and heard that, I always forgot at the end of the call and hung up.

Or maybe it's all just b.s. about considering us members

 

[Mahusky]

Where did the points charts go? ON DVCMember right now and they have disappeared!

Did they take them down?

 

[erionm]

Where did the points charts go? ON DVCMember right now and they have disappeared!

Did they take them down?

They were pulled down last night. This thread has them as jpgs. JPGs of Pulled 2010 Point Charts

 

[Deemarch]

I just tried, too...They are gone! Just 2009 listed.