Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[The Prophet]

You forgot borrowing. You probably would be able to do that for a long time until you didn't have enough points for a stay.

Good Point....But I'm not sure if my family would be too pleased if we have to sacrifice one years worth of points to keep taking 2 vacations per year.

Even though it would be a few years....unless you're the US Government, sooner or later it needs to be paid back

 

[granmanh603]

Sorry to change subject alittle. But have the new planners with the new point charts been mailed yet? I was away at Disney(3 WEEKS) and thought they would be here when I got home....NOT. Sorry but I can't find search key Thanks..

 

[SuzanneSLO]

Good Point....But I'm not sure if my family would be too pleased if we have to sacrifice one years worth of points to keep taking 2 vacations per year.

Even though it would be a few years....unless you're the US Government, sooner or later it needs to be paid back

Actually, you really never need to pay borrowed points back. Yes, at some time you will need to modify your vacation habits for one year or buy a room with cash or get points transferred in. Over the next 30 years or so it is likely you will do one or all of these if there had been no change in the points chart.

I think of using borrowed points more like using a gift card you have already purchased. You can use that card or use cash. If you use the card, eventually you will have to replace the value of the card but why spend the cash any earlier than you need to?

Best of luck -- Suzanne

 

[Brian Noble]

Agreed---after four-five years of doing "the same thing" every year, you might be ready for something different.

 

[bub]

Sorry to change subject alittle. But have the new planners with the new point charts been mailed yet? I was away at Disney(3 WEEKS) and thought they would be here when I got home....NOT. Sorry but I can't find search key Thanks..

As far as I know, they have not been mailed. My mom called Friday (March 27) about this and was told that they were being mailed in a few weeks. I find this to be really surprising, given the magnitude (for many) of this change. I know there are members (some in my own family) who never read Disney information online, who are trying to plan next year's trip. I understand why they made the change (though I don't personally like it - I know that's besides the point here) however I think they need to notify members in a timely manner. Some received emails about it, but I never did (although I used to get regular emails from DVC).

 

[granmanh603]

Thank you. I wish they would send these out....they change the point charts and don't even have books ready like months later and people are making reservations for 2010. This year and last has really been a mess for them as far as I am concerned. Not sure if I received and email from them or not about it....I get my DVC info here if I want it to be accurate.
But thank you for answering me.

 

[Doug7856]

As far as I know, they have not been mailed. My mom called Friday (March 27) about this and was told that they were being mailed in a few weeks. I find this to be really surprising, given the magnitude (for many) of this change. I know there are members (some in my own family) who never read Disney information online, who are trying to plan next year's trip. I understand why they made the change (though I don't personally like it - I know that's besides the point here) however I think they need to notify members in a timely manner. Some received emails about it, but I never did (although I used to get regular emails from DVC).

The delay makes you wonder what else they have up their sleeve.

 

[DVCGeek]

I wish they would send these out....they change the point charts and don't even have books ready like months later and people are making reservations for 2010. This year and last has really been a mess for them as far as I am concerned. Not sure if I received and email from them or not about it....I get my DVC info here if I want it to be accurate.

I'm a new member (Oct/Nov. 2008) but have to agree with you, especially about going to the boards if I want current and accurate info. My guide tries, but frequently I know as much or more than she does from here & DVCNews!

 

[DVCGeek]

The delay makes you wonder what else they have up their sleeve.

My guess is the The Disney Collection rates are still a hold up- they haven't even been released online yet (the cruise charts don't count; we can theoretically book 2011 ones already but don't have charts for them!). Will they perhaps have a change from precedent and still allow point reservations at the Grand Cal. hotel? I doubt it, but maybe that is part of the delay so people will buy VGC assuming that's the only way to stay @ Grand Cal. w/ points come 2010?

For that matter, we don't have ANY 2010 charts that I'm aware of for World Passport Collection, The Concierge Collection, or Adventurer Collection either... Anyone hear any leaks as to what changes will be happening there, if any?

 

[Chic]

Like a lot of people, I'm unhappy with the new points charts for 2010. I had a different thought and wondered if anyone here knew the answer. I'm aware that Disney can move the daily points requirements around as long as the yearly allocation of points doesn't change. I was looking at the points charts for the Grand Californian Villas and noticed that their points are only broken up into 4 seasons as opposed to the 5 seasons for the Orlando DVC resorts. Here is my question: Can Disney change the Orlando DVC resorts into 4 seasons? If so, it's scary to imagine how much the daily points requirements could escalate. In the years to come when hotel room prices are quadruple the present rate, think about what the daily points requirements could be if Disney broke up the charts into 2 seasons. A room currently requiring 14 points on a weeknight could easily go up to 50 points. A weekend stay could be over 100 points a night.

 

[Caskbill]

Yes they could change seasons, or eliminate seasons all together.

However, the TOTAL amount of points for the entire resort, for the entire year, still cannot change.

Suppose today if you added up all the points at one of the DVC resorts, to book every villa for the year, and it came out to be 5 million points, then no matter what they do, either change weekday/weekends points, or change seasons points, and so on, the total still can not exceed the original 5 million points.

For Example: They could not just make the entire year Premier season and then use the current Premier season charts across the board. The new point requirements would have to come out to some type of average so it doesn't increase total points.

 

[Chic]

In other words, Disney can eliminate seasons means they can legally stick it to us in the years to come. This makes me uncomfortable.

 

[5forDiz]

As Caskbill stated " the TOTAL amount of points for the entire resort for the entire year still cannot change ". This is the "safeguard" so to speak, the total points cannot increase.

 

[Chic]

It sounds pretty safe saying that Disney cannot increase the yearly amount of points for the resort but by eliminating seasons, Disney has a huge amount of flexibility to make changes. In other words, let's say DVC decides to break the year up into only 2 seasons. We now have regular season and peak season. Our 14 point Studio rate for a weekday could turn into 80 points. I can now take 40 weekdays of vacation a year with a 560 point contract. That's 8 vacations yearly with a 5 day stay. At 80 points a weekday, Disney could reduce my vacation travel to 7 days a year. That means only 1 week vacation a year. Am I looking at this accurately? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[RobDoc]

It sounds pretty safe saying that Disney cannot increase the yearly amount of points for the resort but by eliminating seasons, Disney has a huge amount of flexibility to make changes. In other words, let's say DVC decides to break the year up into only 2 seasons. We now have regular season and peak season. Our 14 point Studio rate for a weekday could turn into 80 points. I can now take 40 weekdays of vacation a year with a 560 point contract. That's 8 vacations yearly with a 5 day stay. At 80 points a weekday, Disney could reduce my vacation travel to 7 days a year. That means only 1 week vacation a year. Am I looking at this accurately? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If DVC were to reallocate the point charts into two seasons and were to increase points needed for one season, they would also need to decrease the "other" season's point chart accordingly to keep the total points needed to stay at the resort in balance. If weekdays are increased - weekends might be decreased.

Each resort has a calculation explaining what a balanced chart would look like where every night (weekends/weekdays/seasons) of the year would be equal and where the only variation would be for different villa types.

Again, the total points at each resort cannot be changed, but they can be rearranged to balance the demand at the resort.

Since there is an entire thread to discuss this very issue, I'll merge this one into the other to keep the discussion together.

 

[DVCGeek]

Each resort has a calculation explaining what a balanced chart would look like where every night (weekends/weekdays/seasons) of the year would be equal and where the only variation would be for different villa types.

Anyone have a list of this for all the resorts? Or at least directions on where to find it in your paperwork?

I looked at some of my docs for BLT a while back and think I might have found at least some of this... However, the way it was worded I wasn't sure if that gave a flat rate should a :balanced chart" happen or a contractual amount that at some point during the year you could get a room of that type for that number of points, but not necessarily what the entire year might be at. Also, I didn't notice it listing out the different views; is there a list that includes those, or could/would they also be dissolved?

 

[Chuck S]

Anyone have a list of this for all the resorts? Or at least directions on where to find it in your paperwork?

I looked at some of my docs for BLT a while back and think I might have found at least some of this... However, the way it was worded I wasn't sure if that gave a flat rate should a :balanced chart" happen or a contractual amount that at some point during the year you could get a room of that type for that number of points, but not necessarily what the entire year might be at. Also, I didn't notice it listing out the different views; is there a list that includes those, or could/would they also be dissolved?

I don't know where specificially it is in the BLT paperwork, but to address part of your question, a full reallocation could do away with views & seasons and simply have a set amount of points for each unit size each day of the year.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Anyone have a list of this for all the resorts? Or at least directions on where to find it in your paperwork?

I looked at some of my docs for BLT a while back and think I might have found at least some of this... However, the way it was worded I wasn't sure if that gave a flat rate should a :balanced chart" happen or a contractual amount that at some point during the year you could get a room of that type for that number of points, but not necessarily what the entire year might be at. Also, I didn't notice it listing out the different views; is there a list that includes those, or could/would they also be dissolved?

Here is the info for the maximum reallocation.

http://dvcnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=352&Itemid=96

 

[Dean]

In other words, Disney can eliminate seasons means they can legally stick it to us in the years to come. This makes me uncomfortable.

Depends on your definition of "stick it to us". From this and other similar thread's it's obvious that some people's definition would be any change that negatively affects them, my definition would be different. If you are looking at the cheapest times, esp for weekdays mostly, such a change could be fairly large for you. Take SSR which now ranges from 12-19 points weekday and 18-33 points weekend. If they only had 2 seasons you might be looking at something like 14/23 for the lower and 16/28 for the high (as an example). That raises a 5 weekday stay by 10 points and a full week by maybe 20 total for a studio and would likely reduce the number of days you could stay by maybe 10% per year. IF they coupled that with an evening out of points from weekday to weekend, the affects on some could be an increase of as much as 25% in some cases. Others would see a corresponding decrease but given the days/seasons involved, non one would see this type of decrease unless they were mostly looking at weekends and the points were changed to the same every day.

 

[DVCGeek]

Here is the info for the maximum reallocation.

http://dvcnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=352&Itemid=96

Thanks! That seems to match the BLT info. I read before and I may even have looked at that exact chart. It jogged my memory and I did some digging- I was discussing things some in another thread after seeing this post:

http://disboards.com/showpost.php?p=30171934&postcount=658

So as I was saying there, BLT values seem low- by my math & the 2010 point charts the average for a BLT SV studio rounds to 18 points / night, 20 for a LV, and 24 for MK view. At 10% / 70% / 20% especially, how does that ever give you 16? It seems like it should be 21 (20.6).

On the other hand, SSR matches perfectly to my math for all room types... For VGC my math leads to rounded values of 23 for a studio, 47 for a 1-bed, 64 for a 2-bed, and 134 for a Grand Villa...

Lots of people have posted different things from time to time, and my guide didn't seem to know what I was talking about one of the times I specifically asked about a "maximum reallocation" in regard to VGC, but that was in early Feb.