Disney, union temporarily extend contract again

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By Jason Garcia, Orlando Sentinel
4:11 p.m. EST, January 7, 2011

A second round of mediation between Walt Disney World and its largest labor group ended Friday with little movement on either side.

But Disney management and the Service Trades Council did trade some new offers and agreed to once again for bargaining on Feb. 10.

"There is a proposal that they're evaluating, which might break the logjam," said Service Trades Council President Harris Raynor. "We'll have to see."

The two sides also agreed to extend the council's existing contract again, from Jan. 20 until Feb. 17.
 
BS fire them all Unions cause nothing but problems and are not needed anymore.
 
1) First smart thing the union did.
2) If negotiations fail, they can strike right at the start of President's Week.
3) This is the third busiest week at WDW.
4) If done correctly they could hurt WDW.
5) If they "just go out on strike" it won't make a bit of difference.
. . . WDW has plenty of part-time and CP personnel to fill in
. . . most of the full-timers do not belong to the union and don't go out
6) If they strike strategically, even the above conditions would be weak.
7) And, the results would be noticeable to the guests.



NOTE: Having a lot of higher-level union experience, from the company side, I have often criticized the WDW unions for being ineffective, poorly run and bad negotiators. Somebody needs to wise them up. As I said above, maybe they are getting smarter, at least in one area. We will see.
 

Really? Seriously? More than unmitigated CORPORATE greed?

Yup there are enough laws in place where Unions are not needed. All they do is screw my industry up. Any Union job take literally 5 times linger and the work can be done by less skilled workers. I go out of my way to hire non union workers. They tried to Unionize my shop but I told them they would be fiered if they did.
 
Yup there are enough laws in place where Unions are not needed. All they do is screw my industry up. Any Union job take literally 5 times linger and the work can be done by less skilled workers. I go out of my way to hire non union workers. They tried to Unionize my shop but I told them they would be fiered if they did.

I'm not one to defend unions, nor is this the place, but I think think your opinion has been formed in a bubble. Greed, be it by unions or corporations or individuals are what got this country in its current state. Of the three 'greeds' the unions rank #3, IMO.
 
I'm not one to defend unions, nor is this the place, but I think think your opinion has been formed in a bubble. Greed, be it by unions or corporations or individuals are what got this country in its current state. Of the three 'greeds' the unions rank #3, IMO.

We can agree to disagree because IMO unions are a cancer to the contries economy.
 
1) Let us not get into a discussion of good or bad unions or companies.

2) I have made comments regarding one SPECIFIC area
. . . weak and ineffective unions at WDW
. . . non-productive and ineffectual union negotiations at WDW

3) I have
. . . worked for good companies
. . . worked for bad companies
. . . run (I hope) good companies
. . . worked with good unions
. . . worked with bad unions
. . . worked with good non-union shops
. . . worked with bad non-union shops
4) I can't make any GENERAL statements regarding any of these.
5) Making other generalizations is always bad.
6) And, usually an injustice.
7) I can cite
. . . bad things about good companies or unions
. . . good things about bad companies or unions
 
1) Let us not get into a discussion of good or bad unions or companies.

2) I have made comments regarding one SPECIFIC area
. . . weak and ineffective unions at WDW
. . . non-productive and ineffectual union negotiations at WDW

3) I have
. . . worked for good companies
. . . worked for bad companies
. . . run (I hope) good companies
. . . worked with good unions
. . . worked with bad unions
. . . worked with good non-union shops
. . . worked with bad non-union shops
4) I can't make any GENERAL statements regarding any of these.
5) Making other generalizations is always bad.
6) And, usually an injustice.
7) I can cite
. . . bad things about good companies or unions
. . . good things about bad companies or unions

I won't disagree with any of that.
 
Hello everyone, I don't post here much but I do read posts on here regularly and was particularly interested in the views of various members here regarding the negotiations. I will preface by informing you that I am a current WDW full time cast member that is covered by the STCU contract (even though I am not a voting union member as I do not pay union dues), so some might question my objectivity in this post, but I will try my best.

In terms of the strike discussions, while the potential of a cast member strike is still unlikely, I can tell you that this tactic is being talked about more openly by cast members than it was earlier in the negotiations. Earlier in the negotiations even mentioning the word was unthinkable, now many cast members do support a strike if it were to go that far. I have talked to several higher up union officials and they are not very optimistic at this point. This brings me to my next point.

I could very much see the negotiations going to arbitration and at this point arbitration is the only way I see any new contract being signed. What you are seeing is years and years of cast member/company friction finally coming to the surface.

An interesting aspect of these negotiations is the long held Disney policy stating that if there was ever a strike by the STCU cast members, that they would fire all of those cast members and hire new people. As far as I am concerned this is a complete scare tactic by Disney, and for a lot of front line STCU cast members it might work. As someone who graduated with a degree in management however, I can not see where logistically Disney could even make good on this threat. Here is why:

1) While unemployment in Central Florida is higher than the national average, I seriously doubt Disney is holding the resumes of 20,000 people ready to take various jobs a day after cast members strike. The majority in people in Central Florida either work for Disney, have already worked for Disney at some point, or know somebody who has worked at Disney and would probably not be interested. The wage situation at Disney is no secret to people here in Central Florida.

2) Lets put the first point aside and say that Disney could actually have 20,000 people hired the next day, what are they going to do with them? Who is going to train them? All the trainers are STCU cast members, they will be on strike. Managers will not be able to train them, they will be too busy in their operation. I would like to see Disney's contingency plan for training if all the core trainers are on strike.

3) Many say Disney would simply be able to rely more on part timers, seasonal cast members, CP's, and ICP's. While this is certainly true to an extent, these cast members would not be able to cover all the hours currently worked by full time cast members. Most part time and seasonal cast members have jobs outside of Disney, so their availability is limited. ICP's have limits put in place by their various Visas, and that will limit their hours. CP's could be worked as many hours as deemed necessary by Disney, but that still would not be enough. Disney could attempt to hire more CP's and ICP's, however you would still have the training issue and Disney mainly hires CP's and ICP's to fill in the gaps, not to run the entire operation.

4) Building on point 3, remember that many STCU positions are not your basic park operations position. There are many back stage positions which require advanced training and even if not that, simply experience to handle to job responsibilities and stress. There are many positions where part time, seasonal, CP's, and ICP's are simply not trained because they are either not at work often enough or are not with the company long enough to perform these positions. Disney would have a terribly difficult time filling these positions quickly.

5) The final point simply comes down to money, firing all full time STCU cast members would cost the company money instead of saving money. The cost of hiring and training 20,000 new cast members as well as the revenue losses from hotels and potentially even recreation and park offerings being shut down due to staffing would be significantly more than simply presenting the union with a more competitive offer. Nevermind that if 20,000 cast members went on strike, it would not be on page 6 on the orlando sentinel, it would make national news. A strike would be a public relations disaster for Disney and would most likely cost the company additional revenue.

As for my personal views, I love Disney and do not want to see a strike occur. I am unsure at this point if I would even participate in a strike if it was authorized by the union. I understand the arguments from both sides regarding the contract negotiations. On the one side, Disney has to stay competitive in the business market, and these jobs are not meant to be career jobs. On the other hand, with the amount of profit Disney makes and the fact that Disney is a people-oriented company, a more competitive contract would show the Cast Members that Disney does value them. Disney also needs to be aware of the fact that the cost of living is going up in almost every facet of life (medical, food, gas, utilities, rent), and that without an appropriate pay raise every year, that Disney is essentially giving its cast members a PAY CUT, and that is simply unacceptable.

At this point, I would simply settle for a $650 bonus (add the $100 back on from the contract in October) and keeping the same percentage of a pay raise as previous years, which would be 5%. Dragging the process along and even the potential of the strike simply hurts both sides, and hopefully an agreement can be reached soon.
 
Hello everyone, I don't post here much but I do read posts on here regularly and was particularly interested in the views of various members here regarding the negotiations. I will preface by informing you that I am a current WDW full time cast member that is covered by the STCU contract (even though I am not a voting union member as I do not pay union dues), so some might question my objectivity in this post, but I will try my best.

In terms of the strike discussions, while the potential of a cast member strike is still unlikely, I can tell you that this tactic is being talked about more openly by cast members than it was earlier in the negotiations. Earlier in the negotiations even mentioning the word was unthinkable, now many cast members do support a strike if it were to go that far. I have talked to several higher up union officials and they are not very optimistic at this point. This brings me to my next point.

I could very much see the negotiations going to arbitration and at this point arbitration is the only way I see any new contract being signed. What you are seeing is years and years of cast member/company friction finally coming to the surface.

An interesting aspect of these negotiations is the long held Disney policy stating that if there was ever a strike by the STCU cast members, that they would fire all of those cast members and hire new people. As far as I am concerned this is a complete scare tactic by Disney, and for a lot of front line STCU cast members it might work. As someone who graduated with a degree in management however, I can not see where logistically Disney could even make good on this threat. Here is why:

1) While unemployment in Central Florida is higher than the national average, I seriously doubt Disney is holding the resumes of 20,000 people ready to take various jobs a day after cast members strike. The majority in people in Central Florida either work for Disney, have already worked for Disney at some point, or know somebody who has worked at Disney and would probably not be interested. The wage situation at Disney is no secret to people here in Central Florida.

2) Lets put the first point aside and say that Disney could actually have 20,000 people hired the next day, what are they going to do with them? Who is going to train them? All the trainers are STCU cast members, they will be on strike. Managers will not be able to train them, they will be too busy in their operation. I would like to see Disney's contingency plan for training if all the core trainers are on strike.

3) Many say Disney would simply be able to rely more on part timers, seasonal cast members, CP's, and ICP's. While this is certainly true to an extent, these cast members would not be able to cover all the hours currently worked by full time cast members. Most part time and seasonal cast members have jobs outside of Disney, so their availability is limited. ICP's have limits put in place by their various Visas, and that will limit their hours. CP's could be worked as many hours as deemed necessary by Disney, but that still would not be enough. Disney could attempt to hire more CP's and ICP's, however you would still have the training issue and Disney mainly hires CP's and ICP's to fill in the gaps, not to run the entire operation.

4) Building on point 3, remember that many STCU positions are not your basic park operations position. There are many back stage positions which require advanced training and even if not that, simply experience to handle to job responsibilities and stress. There are many positions where part time, seasonal, CP's, and ICP's are simply not trained because they are either not at work often enough or are not with the company long enough to perform these positions. Disney would have a terribly difficult time filling these positions quickly.

5) The final point simply comes down to money, firing all full time STCU cast members would cost the company money instead of saving money. The cost of hiring and training 20,000 new cast members as well as the revenue losses from hotels and potentially even recreation and park offerings being shut down due to staffing would be significantly more than simply presenting the union with a more competitive offer. Nevermind that if 20,000 cast members went on strike, it would not be on page 6 on the orlando sentinel, it would make national news. A strike would be a public relations disaster for Disney and would most likely cost the company additional revenue.

As for my personal views, I love Disney and do not want to see a strike occur. I am unsure at this point if I would even participate in a strike if it was authorized by the union. I understand the arguments from both sides regarding the contract negotiations. On the one side, Disney has to stay competitive in the business market, and these jobs are not meant to be career jobs. On the other hand, with the amount of profit Disney makes and the fact that Disney is a people-oriented company, a more competitive contract would show the Cast Members that Disney does value them. Disney also needs to be aware of the fact that the cost of living is going up in almost every facet of life (medical, food, gas, utilities, rent), and that without an appropriate pay raise every year, that Disney is essentially giving its cast members a PAY CUT, and that is simply unacceptable.

At this point, I would simply settle for a $650 bonus (add the $100 back on from the contract in October) and keeping the same percentage of a pay raise as previous years, which would be 5%. Dragging the process along and even the potential of the strike simply hurts both sides, and hopefully an agreement can be reached soon.

Thank you for your informative post. Regardless of how people feel about unions, it's important to remember that the people who belong to the union are just trying to make a living too.
 
I have read Austin83's post and agree with the analysis.

I am a Regular Part Time (CR) who, for various sufficient reasons, is no longer a member of the Union. I worked fewer than 600 hours last year, and have no reason to want to go full time or even work more hours. I have not had any pay increase since October of 2009 and have no idea what will happen as far as either an increase or if the CRs will be offered a "bonus".

Disney has, to my understanding, not made any overtures to the unions related to Part Time people, saying that will wait until after the current contract is signed.

At this time if a strike is called I have no idea whether or not I would go out.

But I definitely agree that giving little or no pay increase while increasing the cost of insurance is a pay cut. This would not apply to me as I have much better insurance than through Disney.
 












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