Disney to young moviegoers: GET LOST

"By the way, Moviemom (http//www.movies.com/moviemom)"

This url doesn't work, and there is no movie mom that I could find at movies.com - do you have an accurate link? Thanks so much=-

edit - nevermind, found it, she is on yahoo entertainment, not movies.com
 
Mikeymars, I generally disagree with you.

Well, let's start here with the movie mom reviewer. Here is what she actually said about POTC-

Parents should know that this movie has a lot of violence for a PG-13, and while it is not especially graphic, there are images, including the literally skeleton pirate crew and a false eyeball that keeps coming out, that may be disturbing to some viewers. There are some revealing bodices and some mild sexual references, including prostitutes (not explicit and no nudity or sexual situations). There is some strong and colorful pirate language. Characters drink rum and get tipsy.

She says the intended audience is 12 and up, and gives it a "B" rating.

Let's remember this now:

By the way, looks like Dreamworks in going to pound Disney into the ground again in early July, just like they did with Shrek.

For at the same time Disney is telling me and my son (and the other millions of people like us) to get lost, Dreamworks will be inviting us and the rest of the "families with younger chldren" crowd into the theater to enjoy their pirate story, with Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas (rated PG, opening July 2, a week before Disney's "Pirates let's-get-edgy-just-to-appear-currrent of the Caribbean." Interestingly, Sinbad's voice is being done by Brad Pitt, who apparently doesn't feel the need to play him like a drugged out "rock star."


And here is what Movie Mom said this about sinbad-
Parents should know that the characters are almost constantly in peril ranging from enormous snow-hawks to giant squid to sailing off the edge of the world. Very young children might be frightened by the threat of beheading and the masked executioner one character faces for a crime he did not commit

She says the audience is 7 and up, and gives the film a "B."

Here is another review of Sinbad from parents televesion council "Family Movie Reviews"

http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/moviereviews/PTC/sinbad.asp
Although two of the biggest names in Hollywood, Brad Pitt and Catherine Zeta-Jones lend their voices to the movie’s main characters, the movie falls flat with inferior animation of the main characters and a plot too complex and too dark for younger viewers.
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The MPAA has rated this film PG for adventure action, some mild sensuality and brief language. My eyebrows were raised when the word “freakin” was used, and another character continued to utter “What the…” without finishing the expletive.
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I feel the PG warning about sensuality and violence are justified. Viewers can expect to see plenty of knives, swords and daggers used in fighting scenes against monsters, as well as in typical sailor activities like boat repair and to cut rope. Sometimes the sailors handle weapons in unsafe manners, such as holding a knife in one’s mouth, so parents may need to discuss the dangers of knives post-viewing. Sinbad and his crew encounter several scary looking monsters, which may frighten younger viewers. The four year-old boys sitting in the row in front of me spent most of the film covering his eyes, sitting on his father’s lap.
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There were a few scenes of mild sensuality that may not be appropriate for younger viewers, but, frankly, are not any worse than what is typically seen and heard in most children’s entertainment today. After one fighting scene, a portion of Sinbad’s naked bottom is visible through a gash in his pants. When Marina and Sinbad’s dog are forced to be bunkmates, Sinbad remarks, “If he starts hugging your leg, it means he likes you.” Also, the bodies of the female characters are cartoonishly disproportionate and clad in tight clothing. In one scene, Eris lolls in her bathtub and her nudity is hidden by copious amounts of bath bubbles. In another scene, the sensual singing of Sirens – who in Greek mythology lure sailors to watery deaths, almost dangerously enchants Sinbad and his sailors. The most befuddling and unnecessary interaction of the film is between Sinbad and his bare-chested first mate, Kale. When the water in which they are sailing suddenly freezes and the air becomes cold, Sinbad comments that Kale’s nipples could poke his eyes out. This remark will thankfully go over the heads of most children, and is no worse than the hidden innuendo in other children’s films, but still deems a warning.

And here is a funny line from a Sinbad review -

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=5&rid=1172944
It's bad news when a six-year-old walks out on a movie, which is exactly what happened during a recent showing of Sinbad. The Dreamworks film, yet another in the latest line of action flicks aimed at kids, simply doesn't work. It's not just that there have been an abundance of better-animated (Treasure Planet) and live-action (Spy Kids) films recently. It's not just that the animation takes the viewer back a generation (not something kids would notice anyway). It's not just that neither Brad Pitt nor Catherine Zeta-Jones should ever, ever be cast for their voices. It's not even that the script is stilted, the dialogue poorly written and racial stereotypes abundant. It's that the sum of all of the above equals a really bad movie. Kids won't notice any of the specifics—except maybe the animation—but they'll get it in their own way: They'll get up and leave.

Let's go back to this
By the way, looks like Dreamworks in going to pound Disney into the ground again in early July, just like they did with Shrek.

And take a look at the numbers -
First the reviews - rotten tomatoes shows that 49% of reviewers thought Sinbad was Fresh, whereas, to date, 79% of the critics thought POTC was Fresh.

So, did the public agree with you or the critics?

Sinbad made 1.5 million on its opening day a week ago, one of the worst openings in history. After one week of release - seven complete days - this bomb has totaled less than $12.3 million.

On its opening day - a Wed. - POTC made $13.5 million!

That's right, in ONE DAY POTC made more than Sinbad in ONE WEEK!

In fact, POTC has already passed Sinbad's 8 day take of $13.4 million!

Sinbad was such a flop these comments I am writing right now will probably be the last time anyone ever brings it up anywhere, so let's mention this one last little thing -

Interestingly, Sinbad's voice is being done by Brad Pitt, who apparently doesn't feel the need to play him like a drugged out "rock star."

Most every review and comment from anyone who has seen the films heap praise all over Depp, and talk about how awful Pitt was.

Finally - here are some threads about POTC and kids -


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=250514

http://www.laughingplace.com/default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-37808-P-2&Refresh=0710114741&C=1

FYI -= 3572 yahoo users have rated it an average of A+. The user rating at imdb is currently 7.9/10.
 
Originally posted by Mi3sons
I agree with DisneyKids on the fact that disney released a PG-13 movie has upset people as opposed to a Touchtone film being PG-13. I also think all you pirate haters should all just relax!
;)

I agree. Who says Disney can only make movies that target four year olds. My kids have grown up on Disney, and yes, we still go see the animated films. But my boys are also older now, ages 9-14. We took them to see Pirates of the Caribbean yesterday and they all loved it. Our nine year old was somewhat hesistant but has seen both Mummy movies and was fine and this film seemed much tamer (and was). I don't think Disney should be slammed for making a movie for an older crowd. I remember when we took the boys to see the Lion King, my middle child was very upset when Simba's dad was killed. It was a G rated movie and I had no way of knowing there would be a death in the film. I What I'm trying to say is, whether a movie has a particular rating doesn't necessarily mean it's either completely appropriate or inappropriate for a particular age group. You have to use your discretion as a parent.

As for comparing the movie to the ride, the movie has a rating to warn you of the content, the ride doesn't, so of course they would have to make sure the ride is appropriate for everyone that visits the parks.
 
I don't think you'll ever see a rated R film put out under the Disney banner. PG-13, however, does still fit into the category of "family" - yes, families with slightly older children, but families none the less. Under mikeymars' own examples of films that managed to be suitable for everyone, without losing their edge, he cites "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". I don't know about anyone else, but I saw that movie when I was rather young and although I enjoyed it, it was extremely intense. I'd wager it would sport a PG-13 or R these days.

And since Disney should only release G or PG movies, do you think something like "Jaws" would be appropriate for them? It was, after all, rated PG when released. I know that I still carry some very serious psychological scars from that movie and I'd wager many others of my generation do, too.

It just goes to show you that you can't rely on ratings alone to tell you whether a movie is appropriate for your family. The only person who can make that determination is YOU. And you bear the responsibility for it, not Disney or any other studio and not the MPAA.

If you dont' like what Disney is doing, don't see the film. It's that simple. If enough people feel the same way you do, the film will do poorly and Disney will learn an important lesson. Disney has the right to do what they feel makes good business sense. You don't have to agree with them. You can bemoan the loss of the age-old values you hold so dear. The rest of us can enjoy some light summer entertainment and so can the children in our lives that we feel are capable of handling it. We can take the younger set to see "Finding Nemo".
 

Mikeymars, are you going to see the movie yourself and then decide if it's too intense for your child(ren)?
 
Well, all I can say is this definitely isn't the "normal" type of movie for Disney. In fact, this will probably be the first (and maybe only) Disney movie in the history of all time- that my husband wants to see.
LOL
I don't think it's for kids at all- and wouldn't be even without the PG-13 rating. The whole plot of the show is not for children, IMHO. It's right up my husband's alley though.
So either we'll find a time we can go see it without the kids, or he'll go see it alone, or we'll buy it soon as it comes out in video and he can watch it to his heart's content. The kids won't be seeing it. And they wouldn't want to anyway!
 
he cites "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". I don't know about anyone else, but I saw that movie when I was rather young and although I enjoyed it, it was extremely intense. I'd wager it would sport a PG-13 or R these days.
Ditto. I don't remember a ton of movies from way back then, even though I saw a lot and/or read a lot of books that were movies... but that is one I remember pretty darn vividly. I don't remember being scared- but apparently it was intense to be one that I remember so well.
And since Disney should only release G or PG movies, do you think something like "Jaws" would be appropriate for them? It was, after all, rated PG when released. I know that I still carry some very serious psychological scars from that movie and I'd wager many others of my generation do, too.

Ditto that too! Yes, psychological scars from that movie too- and that's why you'll probably never see me on a cruiseliner. LOL But I've watched those jaws movies recently and they are so FUNNY ... so obviously fake and all that. But does that change how I feel about sharks now? Uhuh... sure don't. LOL
 
I personally feel that the movie and its rating were just right. I am one adult that doesn't care at all for "scary" movies and find little in the theaters that suits my taste. This did and it was wonderful!! If it had been made as a movie for really young children it wouldn't have interested me in the least........

And about Harry Potter....wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the future movies are rated PG-13 also. Each book does get darker and darker and they are expecting that the young audience that enjoyed movie 1 is also growing up along with Harry and his friends/classmates.
 
Originally posted by thedscoop
Mikeymars: I think its a little disingenous for you to take this approach about today's Disney while ignoring those porn and snuff films Walt made in the late 50s.

Smells like another Car #3 double-standard to me.
Ok, I'll bite - what are you talking about?
 
I personally feel that the movie and its rating were just right.
I know I keep beating the same drum, but with a few new folks on board this thread it warrants repeating.......

RMF......I agree that the rating was just right and the film was made to appeal to the right audience. I don't think the film should have been made for the toddler set. So, you are correct in your post. But the real question, IMHO, has less to do with the rating and content of the film, and more to do with which studio Disney chose to release the film, and how Disney chose to advertise the film.

Walt Disney Pictures had never released a PG-13 film before this one. Should they have this time, or should Touchstone have been the studio that released it? Also, should Disney have advertised this film in a way that was bound to get younger kids excited about the film when they ultimately would be determined to be too young to see it? Those are the relevant questions I had, not whether the ultimate film should have been PG-13.
 
I have a question--how is disney targeting children for this movie? The reason I ask is because my kids watch toon disney and playhouse disney and I haven't seen POC advertised during these times. I know there is a McDonalds tie in, but I don't think they are offering POC toys in happy meals. I have also been to the disney store several times in the last two weeks and have never seen anything related to POC. I know with Nemo, they had merchandise in the stores way before the movie was released. I know they may be advertising on disney in the evenings, but this would be about the right age group. I guess I'm not sure that disney is trying to target an age group that this movie wouldn't be appropriate for. Is the argument based solely on the fact that the movie is based on a ride that all children are able to ride? Just wondering.
 
Originally posted by luvmk
Is the argument based solely on the fact that the movie is based on a ride that all children are able to ride? Just wondering.

Did you happen to read the first post on this thread? I think the person who started this thread made their case there.
 
Yes, I did read the first post. I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm not arguing the op. I understand their frustration with the PG-13 rating. In fact, the only marketing question I saw in the first post was about an issue of disney magazine stating that the film would be appropriate for anyone who would ride the attraction. I guess I don't consider an article in disney magazine targeting young children.

I was actually referring to the post that stated "And they are promoting the hell out of this kids as usual." I was surprised because as I said before, I Haven't noticed much promotion aimed at the younger children. Maybe disney is doing more promotion in other markets, I just haven't seen it here.
 
I have a question--how is disney targeting children for this movie?
As for my take............I don't think Disney was blatently targeting young kids in their advertising. I also didn't feel mislead by the advertising as I knew this film would not be appropriate for my kids as they are very young (4 and 2). I do think those with kids in the 8 to 12 range have more reason to take issue with the, albeit subtle, advertising that might have gotten this set excited about the movie. What advertising is that? I suppose any advertising in the Disney mag. Also, POC is front and center when you log onto Disney.com. I would imagine there are lots of 8 to 12 year olds who can do this, and up until POC Disney.com was probably a website devoid of PG-13 content or advertising. All that is subtle, yes, but enough to probably attract the attention of many kids under 13. Couple that with articles that may have led parents to believe that the movie would be suitable for any child who could ride the ride and I can see where one might take issue.
 
I can definately understand parents' frustration if it is showing up on disney.com and they have a child that isn't ready to see the movie. Fortunately, our ds7 hasn't been on disney.com lately so he hasn't seen it. This is a good thing, because he wanted to go to the movie, but we told him he probably isn't old enough. For this reason, we are waiting to tell him about the HM movie. That is one of his favorite rides and I know he will want to see it. I just knew that I hadn't seen the typical disney advertising for POC i.e. happy meal toys, tons of merchandise and advertising on toon disney. I really hope HM comes out with a PG rating. Although, if POC is a success, I wonder if this will increase the chance that HM will have the PG-13 rating?:(
 
Originally posted by Planogirl
. I have a bigger problem right now, namely why Terminator 3 is rated R. That is causing plenty of fuss in this household. :rolleyes:

All the Terminator films have been R-rated.
 
We just got back from seeing the movie. We both thought it was well done. The acting was very good. The scenes were fantastic. The special effects were very good as well. The only negative I will say is that it runs a bit long (2hrs 24mins). I won't give any spoilers to those that haven't seen it yet other than you must stay until the credits are over.

The only reason (IMO) that this got a PG-13 rating is because of the fighting and killing. I've heard others mention sexual overtones. I didn't see any. There was some kissing, and not even that much. Now if one considers a buxom wench a sexual overtone they probably think that Victoria Secrets ads on TV are X rated.

I would say that most kids 10 and older should have no problems with this movie. Is it ok for a 5 year old? IMO no. Some of the scenes are intense and loud. Was it scary? Not to an adult but maybe to a small child.

So to answer the OPs "rant" (that's what is was), from what I've seen in the advertising of this movie, it was not directed at a really young audience. If someone was quoted as saying if a young child can go on the POC attraction, they can see the movie, they made a mistake. IMO, it was advertised to a much broader age group. We were at the early (11:30am) show and it was mostly adults. I saw more younger kids at the Terminator 3 movie than at POC movie. T3 was NOT a movie for a younger audience because of the language.
 
Please, lets let the parents decide which movie is right for THEIR children. Taking kids to an R rated movie is the parent/guardian's choice. If the MPAA didn't want kids to see it at all it would be NC-17.

That being said, PG-13 is an unrestricted rating and I see no reason why Disney shouldn't release a feature with that rating.
 












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