Disney renting DVC resorts to Florida residents

[Donna feetham]

Disney is renting DVC resort to Florida residents with a big discount how is this possible This is the ad for the rentals

Book by: September 30, 2020
This special offer is valid for the Disney Resort hotels listed in the chart below.

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	For stays most nights 9/1 through 9/30/20​
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[Tiggr88]

Disney offers discounts when they can't fill up the rooms without them. They must still have availability at the DVC resorts through September. That would seem to be consistent with what members were seeing for availability. Plenty in summer and then limited in fall. The 60 day window for September DVC to be available to Disney for booking would have just started opening up as well.

They are also trying to entice locals to spend money. The AP Holders are making park reservations but the resort bucket is still fairly available. They are probably trying to get the day trippers to spend on a resort and then perhaps more money on food and souvenirs. Although the AP rates previously released would probably be as good or better.

Not sure why only DVC would be available. Are we sure it isn't just a misprint?

 

[Sandisw]

Because Disney owns a lot of points, can take DVC rooms at 60 days out and offer all for cash, and they have rooms to rent from owners who traded out of DVC.

In this case, given this is for September, all those rooms can be used toward breakage.

 

[Donna feetham]

wow now to worry about Florida residents able to rent from Disney the DVC resorts as the covrid-19 infection numbers are so high in Florida.
If I cancel I will loose my points. Disney for sure is putting lives at risk

 

[DebbieB]

I don’t think it’s limited to Florida Residents, it’s any AP Holder.

 

[graychef]

wow now to worry about Florida residents able to rent from Disney the DVC resorts as the covrid-19 infection numbers are so high in Florida.
If I cancel I will loose my points. Disney for sure is putting lives at risk

Disney has always been able to rent DVC rooms at 60 days. I’ve done it several times using my Annual Pass, even though I own at AKV.

I will ask - how is Disney putting loves at risk?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I mean, the DVC resorts are in Florida and staffed by Florida residents. So renting units to residents does what?

I suspect the reason it is all DVC is because at current capacities they will be postponing several of the other resort openings.

 

[sethschroeder]

I mean, the DVC resorts are in Florida and staffed by Florida residents. So renting units to residents does what?

I suspect the reason it is all DVC is because at current capacities they will be postponing several of the other resort openings.

Want to add I live in a tourist area myself. The people coming here are 10x more likely to have COVID19 than we as locals are. There is a very observed mask no mask from individuals based on it being a local vs a tourist location.

Obviously Florida is different but just talking about my experience.

 

[drusba]

Disney has its ownership interests that it can rent, and it can also rent any DVC rooms open 60 days or fewer out. The DVC website indicates that there are large numbers of rooms open at the the DVC resorts throughout Aug and Sep (many of which members often have difficulty getting even at 7-months out), indicating that there has likely been a large number of cancellations by members, giving Disney the ability to rent the rooms.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Interesting. So you think a resort in Florida should ban Florida residents...??
Interesting take.

 

[CarolMN]

I hope Disney is able to fill all of those rooms, since all but the last few days of September are now within the 60 day window. Most of those rooms are likely available because members didn't book them and are being offered to others under the "breakage" provision. A significant percentage of the revenue from those rentals will go to reduce member dues. Since members aren't booking those rooms, that's a win for us as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Chuck S]

And remember, many of those rooms would normally be marketed to the European market by Disney, but Europeans can not travel to the USA at the moment.

 

[Deb & Bill]

If a hurricane heads towards SW Florida (like Irma), we'll either cancel one of our stays and use the points to book Sept or maybe go for one of these cash reservations. For Irma we drove to friends in Georgia and it took us 18 hours (usually more like ten). We should be able to get to Lake Buena Vista in four or five hours at most.

 

[CastAStone]

The good news is that while breakage is capped at 2.5%, the parking fees collected from cash guests are uncapped and go to lower your dues.

 

[drusba]

The good news is that while breakage is capped at 2.5%, the parking fees collected from cash guests are uncapped and go to lower your dues.

Members are not being benefited by those parking fees. Those are fees imposed on cash guests by the WDW Parks and Resorts entity, not any DVC entity, as a charge being added to the room charges, and those fess are not being used to offset annual member dues.

The breakage income that is used to offset annual dues is capped at 2.5% of part of the annual budget (taxes and some other items are not included in calculating total annual budget to determine the 2.5%). Traditionally, the total breakage income ihas annually been a lot more than 2.5% of the annual resort budgets, and that extra money goes first to BVTC to cover its budget for operating the DVC Reservation Component and other trade-outs activities, and then the rest goes to DVCM, essentially as profit.

 

[CastAStone]

Members are not being benefited by those parking fees. Those are fees imposed on cash guests by the WDW Parks and Resorts entity, not any DVC entity, as a charge being added to the room charges, and those fess are not being used to offset annual member dues.

I guess I don't know how else to read this:

 

[drusba]

I guess I don't know how else to read this:
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Thanks for the correction. I had not noticed that change in the annual budgets. When parking fees were first adopted in first part of 2018, I asked DVC if the fees for DVC rooms would go to offset dues, and was told probably not since the charge was something that would be turned over the Parks and Resorts entity. Someone apparently had a change of mind.

 

[CastAStone]

Thanks for the correction. I had not noticed that change in the annual budgets. When parking fees were first adopted in first part of 2018, I asked DVC if the fees for DVC rooms would go to offset dues, and was told probably not since the charge was something that would be turned over the Parks and Resorts entity. Someone apparently had a change of mind.

My back of the envelope math is that "The amount allocated to the association" is about $20/night. Parking actually costs about $25, so they are still getting theirs. My back of the envelope math has assumptions on number of cash nights that could, of course, be wrong.

 

[zavandor]

Thanks for the correction. I had not noticed that change in the annual budgets. When parking fees were first adopted in first part of 2018, I asked DVC if the fees for DVC rooms would go to offset dues, and was told probably not since the charge was something that would be turned over the Parks and Resorts entity. Someone apparently had a change of mind.

Interesting. Wondering if in 2021 budgets we'll get a refund for the grocery delivery fee.

 

[Brian Noble]

Not sure why only DVC would be available.

All DVC resorts are open, sized to the "normal" Member reservation demand for a period in which demonstrably few people are interested in visiting a theme or amusement park more or less anywhere in the US*. There have to be a lot of DVC rooms open right now, and Disney is allowed to fill them as noted above.

In contrast, the only non-DVC properties currently open are the Contemporary, Pop Century, and Ft. Wilderness. Others are scheduled to open, but might or might not when the time comes---I'm not paying attention to the Resorts board for reports of guests being moved, and that might shed more light on the pace of re-opening.

That would seem to be consistent with what members were seeing for availability. Plenty in summer and then limited in fall.

I'm very interested to see if and how this changes. From where I am sitting, I can't see WDW travel demand increasing until the US (and specifically Florida) gets a handle on its case spread. I wonder how many of those Fall reservations are written in very faint and easily-erasable pencil. I predict many of those Fall dates will become more available as they get closer and people are faced with the go/no-go decision on airfare. Is Holding still waived? If so, that makes the go/no-go date much closer to check-in, especially because last minute domestic airfare is also on the low end.

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*: Most other regional parks around the US started reservation systems similar to Park Pass, and almost all of them have been dropped because the demand isn't enough to make it necessary. Several Cedar Fair parks have switched to partial-week operation from every-day operation, presumably because there just aren't enough people coming to justify being open every day.