Disney is different now

[BuckeyeBama]

But how are you really going to know if the system works for you if you don't try it for yourself?

Seriously, that has been the mantra here for how long now?

Yeah, I took that risk but would not have if I didn't have so much invested in the runDisney events. I am glad that I took the chance, but I would not have blamed Disney had the result been poor. I knew what was going on. It would have been my fault for going then before this shakes out properly.

 

[bcrook]

I do get what you are trying to say here, but to be fair, when these people you refer to air their concerns pre-trip on the boards, they are pounced on by others telling them to lighten up, stop complaining and not to knock it until they've tried it. It just feels like no matter what your views right now, if you're not happy with the way things are right now, you're between a rock and a hard place

"Just give it a try."

If it turns out badly...

"Well that was silly why did you go?"

 

[mom2rtk]

"Just give it a try."

If it turns out badly...

"Well that was silly why did you go?"

Yep. That about covers it.

 

[morethananyonex]

Let's see, so far we have a clean room, nice cast members and a great FP+ experience. I don't know where you guys are vacationing but we are obviously not in the same place. Yes its really crowded but I don't even mind. I'm way too happy to be here.

Good for you.

Your experience is not everyone's experience.

There is a very real difference between letting Disney know about your dissatisfaction and what is happening on the Dis.

I agree - voice concerns - to Disney.

Why shouldn't concerns be voiced on the DIS as well? They're just as relevant and informative as positive comments.

After all, if people should do their research and decide whether or not going at this time is right for them, shouldn't they have access to both positive and negative reports?

There are very real issues that a family can run into on a WDW vacation currently that go way past tiering and 3 FP+ per day. I think people, not just Disney, should be aware of what can (not will, but can) go wrong.

 

[disnut1149]

Whose truth? Disney's truth? Probably. I can't understand why any guest would feel like that's okay though. What's stopping their family from being the "lucky" one?

I know I am not willing to sacrifice precious vacation time in favour of progress, unless Disney is footing the bill of course.

I feel the same way. I cancelled my trip in Dec and not sure if I'm even going on my Aug. Trip. Now if Disney wants to pay for me to be a part of their test, then I would gladly go. Also, I did email Dis with my concerns and they did call me back.

 

[WillAustin]

I agree - voice concerns - to Disney.

I think it's also more than appropriate to voice concerns and direct experiences publicly.

 

[surferdave]

There is a very real difference between letting Disney know about your dissatisfaction and what is happening on the Dis.

I agree - voice concerns - to Disney.

You say you don't feel bad for Dis posters who knew that this change was happening, went anyway, and were less than thrilled with their experience. But you apparently want DIS posters to just post pixie dust here, voice their concerns to Disney and leave other potential guests in the dark to the perils of the testing.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I do get what you are trying to say here, but to be fair, when these people you refer to air their concerns pre-trip on the boards, they are pounced on by others telling them to lighten up, stop complaining and not to knock it until they've tried it. It just feels like no matter what your views right now, if you're not happy with the way things are right now, you're between a rock and a hard place

I have never told anyone that they had to try this system when it is still in testing. That would be crazy since I didn't want to do it myself. As for "lightening up and stop complaining", well, does one really need to post the same thing 100 times?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

You say you don't feel bad for Dis posters who knew that this change was happening, went anyway, and were less than thrilled with their experience. But you apparently want DIS posters to just post pixie dust here, voice their concerns to Disney and leave other potential guests in the dark to the perils of the testing.

Yeah, that is what I said.

 

[JanaDee]

I do get what you are trying to say here, but to be fair, when these people you refer to air their concerns pre-trip on the boards, they are pounced on by others telling them to lighten up, stop complaining and not to knock it until they've tried it. It just feels like no matter what your views right now, if you're not happy with the way things are right now, you're between a rock and a hard place

Yup, just look at the post right above yours, #119.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I think it's also more than appropriate to voice concerns and direct experiences publicly.

Once, or maybe even a few times, I agree. That is not what is happening right now on the Dis. Every thread is taken over by the same crowd, who repeat the same mantra.

If you think that this is helping any cause, you are wrong.

 

[surferdave]

Once, or maybe even a few times, I agree. That is not what is happening right now on the Dis. Every thread is taken over by the same crowd, who repeat the same mantra.

If you think that this is helping any cause, you are wrong.

But what cause is it hurting? Who cares? Other people here seemingly get mad because they want this place to promote Disney to first timers, but I take it you don't care about that based on your last Mr. Nice Guy reply to me.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Other people here seemingly get mad because they want this place to promote Disney to first timers, but I take it you don't care about that based on your last Mr. Nice Guy reply to me.

Please don't put words in my mouth. You have done in 2 posts in a row now.

I thought that my reply was pretty nice, all things considered. Trying to stay within board rules.

 

[dwheaton]

Once, or maybe even a few times, I agree. That is not what is happening right now on the Dis. Every thread is taken over by the same crowd, who repeat the same mantra.

If you think that this is helping any cause, you are wrong.

This is the issue of the year, if not the past five years, at Disney World. The reason it's dominating conversation is that it's having a dramatic impact on park visits, positively or negatively.

If Disney announced a massive Star Wars Land that would completely overhaul DHS, that would be the issue of the time. We'd all be discussing that in a similar vein and have different opinions about it.

I just don't get what is wrong with having a discussion about the concerns that we have with FP+. As long as it's civil, it's really important to how we all tour WDW on our vacations.

 

[JimmyV]

1. Once, or maybe even a few times, I agree. That is not what is happening right now on the Dis. Every thread is taken over by the same crowd, who repeat the same mantra.

2. If you think that this is helping any cause, you are wrong.

1. a. The threads that tend to be critical of FP+ are fairly obvious from their titles. Just as it is "the same crowd" that is critical, it is a different, but still finite crowd that pounces in on these threads to tell the critics that they are wrong for whining. It should be easy to skip these threads if one is truly weary of the whole situation.
b. There is always the "ignore this poster" option if the same people are twanging your nerves.

2. On a Board dedicated to cruising, heavy criticism was heaped down on a cruise line that launched the first of two "sister ships" that had some radical design changes that were very different from what cruisers of that line were used to. "Don't knock it 'til you try it" was the common refrain, as well as "quit your complaining. No one cares what some sychophants on a chat board have to say. It won't change anything." Well, the second ship is set to launch and several significant design changes were made, and the cruise line admitted that chat board furor was in part the reason why. Who knows their product better than people who comment on chat boards? So I would hold off on the "it isn't helping the cause" just yet, especially when we are in the testing phase. Disney is NEVER going to ignore social media. It is a media-driven company. Did you know that on-air talent on ESPN is required to have a Twitter account? And there are people monitoring the number of "followers" that each "talent" has?

 

[2Tiggies]

I have never told anyone that they had to try this system when it is still in testing. That would be crazy since I didn't want to do it myself. As for "lightening up and stop complaining", well, does one really need to post the same thing 100 times?

I wasn't suggesting you had; I was trying to point out the way these posts have been received.

No I agree, posting the same thing 100 times doesn't help if it doesn't change anything; but this is not one person posting the same things 100 times - it's more like 100 people posting the same problem or dissatisfaction, once, resulting in hundreds of threads.

 

[WillAustin]

I wasn't suggesting you had; I was trying to point out the way these posts have been received.

No I agree, posting the same thing 100 times doesn't help if it doesn't change anything; but this is not one person posting the same things 100 times - it's more like 100 people posting the same problem or dissatisfaction, once, resulting in hundreds of threads.

I'd add that most of the people who tend to chime in repeatedly were already regular posters here before FP+.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

This is the issue of the year, if not the past five years, at Disney World. The reason it's dominating conversation is that it's having a dramatic impact on park visits, positively or negatively.

If Disney announced a massive Star Wars Land that would completely overhaul DHS, that would be the issue of the time. We'd all be discussing that in a similar vein and have different opinions about it.

I just don't get what is wrong with having a discussion about the concerns that we have with FP+. As long as it's civil, it's really important to how we all tour WDW on our vacations.

You are probably right, and I am probably being too sensitive. My apologies. I just need to stop reading these threads.

 

[surferdave]

Please don't put words in my mouth. You have done in 2 posts in a row now.

I thought that my reply was pretty nice, all things considered. Trying to stay within board rules.

So your last reply to me was sarcasm?

I copied and pasted the only statement I attributed to you from your post.

So what should we talk about here? Why do you care if we have these long threads dissecting the MDE problems?

Your statement "don't feel bad for Dis posters who knew that this change was happening, went anyway, and were less than thrilled with their experience" (again quoting you directly) is a new one on me. I've ignored plenty of threads by people I don't sympathize with on this board.

 

[anniee882000]

I don't think that WDW patrons who are unhappy should be understanding. I think that they should vote with their feet. But I really don't feel bad for Dis posters who knew that this change was happening, went anyway, and were less than thrilled with their experience.

I took my chances when I went in January. I knew of the changes. Had that trip gone as I expected, it would probably have been our last trip. But I would not have blamed Disney for my bad experience. I would simply have accepted that WDW was moving in a different direction and made a choice.

I would also have posted my displeasure on this board. But, since my trip was 6 weeks ago, I hope that I would be over it by now and happily planning my next vacation - wherever that might be.

Here's the problem...many do not know of the changes. Not everyone reads Disney boards religiously prior to planning a vacation.

I read them casually...I wanted to go to DisneyWorld, and had planned over a year ago to go. I have never had a bad experience with Disney. To me, if it says Disney, that means I'll receive high quality. So why should I have to do tons of research prior to going to Disney to make sure they are still giving out high quality?

To be fair, I was happy with our vacation, but I planned extensively. I don't think Disney should expect the average visitor to do that.

And honestly, I didn't mind the FP system except for the effect it had on rides that usually had little to no line. I mean, since when do you have to wait 60 minutes to get in the Haunted Mansion or Small World? Those were usually rides I would go on when other lines were too long; now there are no rides like that that you can just jump on.