Disney has lost another family - do they care?

[HookdonWDW]

While I think your analogy is cute, I think that implementing a new system of chocolate distribution - giving every guest 3 chocolates no matter what group they fall in - isn't making any additional guests happy. It's just making a different group happy.

The fresh fruit group still isn't happy.
The group that stood around the chocolate box is now unhappy.
The people that didn't care less, still don't care.
The people who were happy and appreciative before: some of them will still be happy, others will be unhappy.

So, now, a lot more people are unhappy than happy.

However, there are 2 groups that are happy now:
1) The employees who never bothered to read the memo and didn't realize that they, too, had as much right to chocolate as the rest of the employees so therefore didn't get any. They just enviously or angrily watched everyone around them eat chocolates.
2) The new employees who didn't realize that before the came to work there, everyone could pick whatever chocolates they wished.

You missed the point of my post. I never addressed the number of people in each group or said the groups were equal. It was never about making the employees happy. It was about meeting the goals of the company. If the current plan doesn't meet the corporation's vision and end goals, the organization will change the way it operates. They know that some people will be unhappy. Some people will always be happy. So instead of trying to please everyone, they do what they need to maximize the results in the favor of the company.

 

[Spork24]

Can we start a new thread called chocolate FP+ analogies? Lol

 

[magicbob]

For some reason, I'm craving chocolate Jello pudding pops. Go figure...

 

[Spork24]

for some reason, i'm craving chocolate jello pudding pops. Go figure...

rotfl

 

[mavadell]

Ok. New chocolate analogy. After everyone has eaten their three chocolates and are thinking of leaving to get more candy somewhere else, they get an email on their smart phone saying "Hey! Are you still hungry? How about a bonus FP+ to eat lunch at BOG? Just check in at the desk and bypass the line! (They will know if you are heading to the exit and will try to bribe you to stay!)

 

[HookdonWDW]

For some reason, I'm craving chocolate Jello pudding pops. Go figure...

 

[poeticdiabetic]

This is my take on the FP+ situation:

I go to a lot of places for vacation and I believe that the FP+ was to be an incentive for people to stay at the hotels. If you look at US/IOA, the FOTL access is a major incentive for staying there, but WDW really had nothing but EMHs and the Dining Plan. The problem is that the EMHs are only good during really busy times, and many people avoid the parks that have them. And the Dining Plan isn't that much of a money-saver, unless you really plan well.

So I was at US/IOA staying off-site. I saw some wait times at US/IOA that I have never seen before. For instance, I saw 180 wait times at Hulk and Harry Potter! That's a 3-hour wait! And it wasn't during the busiest times of the year. It was insane!

But even with the crazy wait times, I told myself "This is a Theme Park. I expect long lines." And when I saw people get FOTL access, they either paid for it or they paid the freight to stay at their hotels. If I REALLY wanted the access, I would have stayed at the hotels too.

 

[crostorfer]

I think art of animation was designed to help with this as well. Disney really does try to accommodate everyone.

At $325 a night for a non-discounted family suite at the AoA, larger families can still do eons better off property.

 

[flicx]

At $325 a night for a non-discounted family suite at the AoA, larger families can still do eons better off property.

Yes and they claim this is a value resort!

 

[Angel Ariel]

I think art of animation was designed to help with this as well. Disney really does try to accommodate everyone.

Each time I've looked at Art of Animation, it is upwards of $300/night. I would say it's not exactly a stretch to say that's out of reach for many families.

 

[fairyprincess88]

At $325 a night for a non-discounted family suite at the AoA, larger families can still do eons better off property.

And for that $325 a night you only get one bed. The rest of the family gets to sleep on some fold out couches and chairs and a table with a mattress on it.

 

[Planogirl]

Each time I've looked at Art of Animation, it is upwards of $300/night. I would say it's not exactly a stretch to say that's out of reach for many families.

If not most families.

If we were to stay there for 8 nights like the last time we stayed onsite, that's a nice size chunk of change for a budget resort.

 

[Angel Ariel]

If not most families.

If we were to stay there for 8 nights like the last time we stayed onsite, that's a nice size chunk of change for a budget resort.

Seriously!

When AoA was first announced, I also thought it was a way for Disney to address the needs of larger families. Then I went to book a Cars room for my brother's family last year and saw how much they wanted/night. $300/night is ridiculous compared to other options.

 

[Spork24]

At $325 a night for a non-discounted family suite at the AoA, larger families can still do eons better off property.

Yeah, that's a tough price point for a value. I wasn't aware it was that Steep. It must be pretty popular or the price would drop.

 

[jmillertime]

All I can say is Disney is always changing. Maybe FP+ will evolve. I'm heading down for spring break in April we are staying off site except for the first night. This is allowing us to get magic bands and also we can schedule FP+ for the whole week after our 1 day stay.

Patience is the key.

 

[klmall]

Never had a single visit to DHS when we weren't able to get at least two FP for TSMM. Never saw FP gone within the first hour. We worked hard to pick the right time of year and day of the week to visit.

No...but the old system was fair.

I'm a little jealous

We too, carefully picked our trip times and even arrived early....never got FPs for TSMM or it was broken down. For this reason alone I see the benefit of FP+.

Each time I read one of the threads on FP+ I learn something new about how people tour WDW which surprise , isn't always the way my family tours. I see benefits to FP+ like my mention above but I also see people really struggling in their reactions to it especially if they see it as a threat to the planning for a successful WDW vacation. Change is always tough and this kind of change can hit the wallet and the experienced traveler's planning security.

FP+ hasn't turned me away from WDW but given it's current roll-out uncertainties and some other personal issues it pushed us to stay onsite and count on a smartphone!

 

[cleverclovers]

This whole thing has given me a headache! I am one of those who can only afford to go to WDW once every 5 years or so. So IF or WHEN I go again, I want the most for my money. I do NOT want to have to plan each day's activities several months out. I do not go to Orlando to people watch, hang out at the pools, or spend hours in the shops because the rides are too full. I want to be able to enjoy myself. IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK?

 

[KatieCharlotte]

Seriously!

When AoA was first announced, I also thought it was a way for Disney to address the needs of larger families. Then I went to book a Cars room for my brother's family last year and saw how much they wanted/night. $300/night is ridiculous compared to other options.

I was so excited when I first heard about AoA, until I saw the prices for my family of five. Our 25% discounted price at POR isn't too bad, but it's a lot more than an offsite condo and it doesn't work for families of six. There are very few options onsite for them and all are expensive.

 

[magicbob]

This whole thing has given me a headache! I am one of those who can only afford to go to WDW once every 5 years or so. So IF or WHEN I go again, I want the most for my money. I do NOT want to have to plan each day's activities several months out. I do not go to Orlando to people watch, hang out at the pools, or spend hours in the shops because the rides are too full. I want to be able to enjoy myself. IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[skater]

This whole thing has given me a headache! I am one of those who can only afford to go to WDW once every 5 years or so. So IF or WHEN I go again, I want the most for my money. I do NOT want to have to plan each day's activities several months out. I do not go to Orlando to people watch, hang out at the pools, or spend hours in the shops because the rides are too full. I want to be able to enjoy myself. IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK?

You must be self absorbed or one of the many other labels put on people who are posting negative opinions about fp+ . (Hope this comes across as the joke I meant).