Disney gives lifetime ban on Guest

[alldiz]

I was almost banned


Family restroom is for current l....not trying to create one

Kerri

 

[briar_rose_59]

Well, it's early yet, and my sinuses are blocked, but am I the only person getting a whiff of troll?

Definitely not the only one. Disney doesn't hand out lifetime bans like candy at MNSSHP . Heck I don't think the teacup brawl lady got a lifetime ban. Although IIRC, the teens that were spitting on people riding Splash Mountain (or something like that) were given a lifetime ban.

 

[agnes!]

Oh, c'mon, Disney can't actually enforce a lifetime ban at the gate. That's just in case Mr. Thief comes back on-property and gets caught doing something else illegal. Then they can charge him with trespassing in addition to any other crimes he will have committed.

Btw, some love for the parks he's showing. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

agnes!
PS - I'm with the PP who thinks there's certain troll-aroma in the air...

 

[wnissen]

Oh, c'mon, Disney can't actually enforce a lifetime ban at the gate. That's just in case Mr. Thief comes back on-property and gets caught doing something else illegal. Then they can charge him with trespassing in addition to any other crimes he will have committed.

Ding ding ding! That's right, we have a winner. They know they can't enforce the ban, that would be preposterous.

They "ban" because the next time there's an incident of any kind, security can always get him charged with tresspass!

Picture this, security gets called because a CM suspects someone is trying to shoplift. The CM has no proof, has not caught him red-handed, in short, there is no way to prove a crime is being committed. However, when security goes to talk to the guy, they know that no matter what they can get him on a charge of trespassing. It just makes everything so much easier than trying to prove something like shoplifting.

So, odds are in the OP's nephew's favor that he's not really banned, but at the same time, he will have to keep his nose so clean you'll be able so see Tinkerbell's reflection in it!

Walt

 

[scheddj]

Didn't you guys ever see the movie Animal House? It's kind of like double secret probation!

 

[dcgrumpy]

I asked the same question and I was told that they do, but details were pretty hush hush. I guess if people can be banned from casinos, people can be banned from WDW.

That's different, in a casino there are cameras watching you at all times looking for people that are banned.

 

[mamacatnv]

That's different, in a casino there are cameras watching you at all times looking for people that are banned.

There are also "black lists" that the gaming control boards provide to the casinos that include full descriptions, names, pictures, aliases etc.

Mind you, one does not get black listed from a Casino or the industry for a small infraction.

 

[manning]

They can lock them out of the parks.

They use bio scans along with tickets to let you in. All they have to do is put your bio scan on file.

I don't think they use this but there is technology out there where you can be identify you with a photo.

Your photo is put into a data base. When another photo is taken of you it can be entered into the data base for comparison with a match in a matter of seconds. It has something to do with the spacing of the eyes. Some say it's better than fingerprints.

Casinos use this to keep out cheats.

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

They can lock them out of the parks.

They use bio scans along with tickets to let you in. All they have to do is put your bio scan on file.

I don't think they use this but there is technology out there where you can be identify you with a photo.

Your photo is put into a data base. When another photo is taken of you it can be entered into the data base for comparison with a match in a matter of seconds. It has something to do with the spacing of the eyes. Some say it's better than fingerprints.

Casinos use this to keep out cheats.

The "BIO-SCANS" at the park don't work. We have them at my work and use them. The ones at the park, I put a different finger in the scanner every day I was there and it still admitted me!!

The facial recognition software you are referring to is really quite unique and can give an almost perfect match, ALMOST, it requires a human to verify. It uses the distance of eyes, nose, cheekbones, etc. so that even if a facelift or nose job is done, it can still pick you out of a crowd, the downside is that it is VERY expensive, and need a lot of cameras, and other requirements. Something that I doubt WDW would want to invest in, for a FEW banned people. Like I said in a previous post, and other posters have said, it is just a too, that if caught or suspected again, gives security OR the police, reason to question and eject him/her from the parks!

 

[Cool-Beans]

I was almost banned


Family restroom is for current l....not trying to create one

Will you never learn?

lmao: OMG, that was hilarious )

 

[DaParkers]

The "BIO-SCANS" at the park don't work. We have them at my work and use them. The ones at the park, I put a different finger in the scanner every day I was there and it still admitted me!!

The facial recognition software you are referring to is really quite unique and can give an almost perfect match, ALMOST, it requires a human to verify. It uses the distance of eyes, nose, cheekbones, etc. so that even if a facelift or nose job is done, it can still pick you out of a crowd, the downside is that it is VERY expensive, and need a lot of cameras, and other requirements. Something that I doubt WDW would want to invest in, for a FEW banned people. Like I said in a previous post, and other posters have said, it is just a too, that if caught or suspected again, gives security OR the police, reason to question and eject him/her from the parks!

They worked when I and my son put our middle fingers in instead of our index fingers. I figured that they wouldn't notice, but they did. When we put our index fingers in, wholla, it let us in. I know that nothing is 100%, but to say that they don't work is not the truth. They didn't work for YOU. Disney wants all the money that they can get. Why waste it on machines that don't work. Wake up people. Don't you think that if someone committed a serious crime in WDW like child molestation, that they wouldn't be able to keep them from coming back? After that person was released from jail, I'm sure that Disney would not want them in the parks. There IS most definitely a way to enforce a ban. They have too much to lose if they allow that person back in and he molests another child(Just an example). If they truly want you out, then they can keep you out.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

The "BIO-SCANS" at the park don't work. We have them at my work and use them. The ones at the park, I put a different finger in the scanner every day I was there and it still admitted me!!

My last time at WDW it was pretty busy so I don't know if they turn them off to keep big crowds moving or what, but...

I was helping my wife with my son and the stroller and I was admitted before I got a chance to even put my finger (any finger) on the scanner. There was no one at the gate (the CM was a gate over) so it wasn't a manual override. The reader had just spit my ticket out and given me the green light.

From there I tried different finger combinations and even used my wife's AP just to prove they weren't doing anything. Never had an issue.

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

They worked when I and my son put our middle fingers in instead of our index fingers. I figured that they wouldn't notice, but they did. When we put our index fingers in, wholla, it let us in. I know that nothing is 100%, but to say that they don't work is not the truth. They didn't work for YOU. Disney wants all the money that they can get. Why waste it on machines that don't work. Wake up people. Don't you think that if someone committed a serious crime in WDW like child molestation, that they wouldn't be able to keep them from coming back? After that person was released from jail, I'm sure that Disney would not want them in the parks. There IS most definitely a way to enforce a ban. They have too much to lose if they allow that person back in and he molests another child(Just an example). If they truly want you out, then they can keep you out.

Umm, those are not bio-scanners. Unlike the stuff you see on t.v., true fingerprint scanners have a glass plate that is almost twice as wide as a finger, and you have to "roll" (on some models) or press (to get a lot more surface of your fingerprint) onto the plate when they are scanned by the device, then comparied with a database, (that has to be put in prior to your using it) since I doubt (actually I know) that WDW doesn't have access to AFIS, so your criminal is not going to be "detected" when he enters. And as another poster stated, you can use any finger combination you want. it will still work.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

Some information about how the scanners work.

The first time an adult (Age 10+) ticket is used the scanner selects a block about 1/4 inch by 1/8 inch on the finger and reads the patters, converts it to a mathematical algorithm, and store the numerical string.

On subsequent uses of the ticket the finger is scanned and the system looks for that same block. If it finds the same block it will turn on the green light and unlock the turnstile. If it does not find trhat block there will be an "identification fails" message and the turnstile will not unlock.

There are several exceptions.

If it is extremely crowded, to speed up entry to the park management can make a decision to temporarily turn off the scanners. At that time you could have left your fingers back in the room, as the turnstile will accept any ticket which is valid for that park without the scan (it will still record the ticket as used at that park that day).

If you purchased more than one ticket at WDW as part of a single transaction (such as a family buying tickets), the system knows these tickets are joined and may allow another in the group to use the ticket; we know this as on the Greeter side of the turnstile we will get a message of "different person".

The Greeter always has the ability to override the biometrics for any particular transaction. This is normally done for a person in a wheelchair or ECV, or if it seems obvious that the person has a problem which precludes getting a good scan.

So if you try to use a finger other than the one used the first time, the system will not accept the reading.

Note that children's (Age 3-9) tickets never require a finger scan, as long as their ticket is valid for the park they will get a green light and the turnstile will unlock. However, many children will hold onto the ticket rather than allowing the card reader to take it from them and will throw the reader's timing off and we will get a "ticket not readable" message.

 

[Melrosgirl]

I'm just picturing Mickey Mouse grabbing the kid by his ear, dragging him to the front gates, and saying "And don't you ever come back!"

 

[Melrosgirl]

The ticket scanners are a joke. sort of like the security checks there. Just a glance in our bags and off we go. I know my bags are safe, but really what is the point of this security check? False security?

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

It gives you a SENSE of security, and the scanners are in the same catagory, not withstanding a PP on how they work, they must be "turned off" the entire time I was at WDW, and must also be turned off at DLR every time I go there.

 

[briar_rose_59]

and must also be turned off at DLR every time I go there.

Did they even get the scanners at DL? They didn't have them at all the last time I was there (on or off lol). Just curious.

 

[DaParkers]

Umm, those are not bio-scanners. Unlike the stuff you see on t.v., true fingerprint scanners have a glass plate that is almost twice as wide as a finger, and you have to "roll" (on some models) or press (to get a lot more surface of your fingerprint) onto the plate when they are scanned by the device, then comparied with a database, (that has to be put in prior to your using it) since I doubt (actually I know) that WDW doesn't have access to AFIS, so your criminal is not going to be "detected" when he enters. And as another poster stated, you can use any finger combination you want. it will still work.

You can't disagree with my experience. I was there. It worked for YOU, not me. You are very naive to believe that they can't keep you out if they wanted to. The machines scan one fingertip for its fingerprint information. WDW does not store the entire fingerprint image, but only numerical information about certain points. I know exactly what it is. I never said it was a fingerprint scanner. I said finger scanner.
My point is, that they can keep you out if they wanted to. If a company as big and as wealthy as WDW can't keep a petty thief out, then it should not be operable. There is a reason that the government with to WDW after 9/11 for security lessons.
This a quote from http://newsinitiative.org/story/2006/09/01/walt_disney_world_the_governments

"But surprisingly, after the Sept. 11 attacks the federal government sought out Disney’s advice in intelligence, security and biometrics, a tool that teaches computers to recognize and identify individuals based on their unique characteristics. The federal government may have wanted Disney's expertise because Walt Disney World is responsible for the nation's largest single commercial application of biometrics, said Jim Wayman, director of the National Biometric Test Center at San Jose State University.

"The government was very aware of what Disney was doing," he said. "Everybody's interested in a successful project."

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Curious.
How does Disney enforce a life time ban? That IMO does not seem feasible

i was thinking the same thing