Disney finally Made Me Mad

If a ride were to be treated as FP only for the whole day, that would mean that when the rope drops nobody would be allowed to walk right to the attraction and ride unless they had a FP. Just think for a second about how ridiculous this is.

And yet, despite your attempt to explain that Disney would never be that stupid or stubborn....if you are at the rope when it drops at 11:00 for WS and rush right over to the UK to meet Pooh, despite the fact that no one is in line ahead of you, you will not be able to do so. I agree that this is ridiculous, but this is exactly what Disney just did.
 
I reported that also on the last page, but nobody seems to have noticed.

That said, I wonder if the FP+ only thing was another "glitch"? Like when the system recently dropped all the Character Meals off the Disney Dining Plan.

Just another oddity, I guess. Because ALL of the FP+ Only options are gone.
 

I reported that also on the last page, but nobody seems to have noticed.

That said, I wonder if the FP+ only thing was another "glitch"? Like when the system recently dropped all the Character Meals off the Disney Dining Plan.

It was not a glitch. Or, if it was, it was a highly-coordinated one. These options also appeared at other locations on the WDW site.
 
It was not a glitch. Or, if it was, it was a highly-coordinated one. These options also appeared at other locations on the WDW site.
I put the quotation marks around glitch because Disney seems to use that excuse for EVERYTHING lately.
 
What is the point of a FastPass for an attraction that almost never has more than a 5-minute wait anyway (especially in the offseason)?

Late to this thread, but I've always felt the reason the lines are short is because few folks know they are there.

Maybe part of making it FP is to educate guests that they are there. To make them MORE visible, and to bring MORE guests into the GIFT SHOP. ;)


Character lines all over WDW have long been highly variable based on visibility.

When Belle's spot was hidden in the back of the France pavilion, lines were short. Put her along the lagoon, post information everywhere and suddenly - big surprise- the line to see her is huge!

When the big "Character Spot" greet first started in Epcot, it was great. tons of characters, almost no wait. Then WDW installed picture windows, and posted info everywhere, and lines got silly. Now we never go. I just look at the huge line and think, "no way."

Even still...even now, when WDW has unannounced character greets, guests can find the periodic short line. :thumbsup2

IF you ask me, what they really need to do is add Anna and Elsa greets to every park! they should never have eliminated the A/E greet in Epcot, just added the MK one. (oh, and the totally should have opened the Norway bakery early too!)
 
The subject of FPs for character greetings isn't important enough for me to bother spending a lot of time thinking or worrying about it. But I do want to comment on the worries that some people have that this is the first step toward establishing a reservation only ride system.

I'm not sure if the people who are concerned about this are worried that ALL rides will go to reservation only or that just the most popular attractions will be treated this way. Either way, though, the fears seem totally unfounded.

If a ride were to be treated as FP only for the whole day, that would mean that when the rope drops nobody would be allowed to walk right to the attraction and ride unless they had a FP. Just think for a second about how ridiculous this is. Based on our own experience and recent reports from Josh at easywdw and other posters on this board, if you walk directly to a ride like Thunder Mountan at rope drop you can ride multiple times with no wait and without a FP. If Disney were to adopt a FP only policy, that would mean that for a certain period of time, they would be operating rides at significantly less than 100% of capacity even though there are plenty of people in the park who would love to fill that capacity. The same thing would happen in the final hour or hours before closing when the capacity exceeds the demand. Depending on how crowded the park is, that could continue for several hours and, for many attractions, it would continue all day. No matter how sinister you think Disney is, you can't possibly think that is what they want to do.

A lot of posters on this board have said that they are unwilling to wait in a standby line of more than 20-30 minutes most of the time. If that is your attitude, a number of the most popular attractions in the parks are already de facto reservation only, and have been that way for years. Using TSMM as the most obvious example, the standby lines there are an hour or longer except at the very beginning and very end of the day. If Disney wants to eliminate my right to wait in a standby line that long, I really don't care because I have forfeited that right voluntarily. If Disney made Anna and Elsa FP only, would that really be a significant development for very many guests?

The absolutely worst case scenario I could see is that Disney would allocate 100% of ride capacity to FPs and the standby line would become a true standby that would be used only to fill gaps that might arise in the arrival of guests with FPs. There would be no guarantee that someone in the standby line would ever get to ride. I really don't see Disney doing that either, but it wouldn't really bother me if they did. I just don't think there are that many rides that would "sell out" of FPs, especially in the first and last few hours of the day, unless Disney significantly increased the number of FPs every guest can make in advance and/ or hold at one time.

BTMRR is in the MK where at RD the crowd moves to multiple locations. It is vastly different at Epcot where the walk in crowd splits into 2 TT and Soarin'. Our last trip the SB line for both attractions hit 60 minutes within the first 15-20 minutes.

And your right, at least 2 days of our trip we didn't do much more than our FP+ because if I won't wait for an hour to see Maelstrom. It was 36 minutes at 11 AM opening. That was my complaint from the get go, limitations mean limitations.

The point would seem to be to drive some traffic that way and reduce traffic at the other Tier 1 attractions.

And since, as has been said repeatedly, there was almost never a line to see Pooh, very few people would even care that it was FP+ only.

It won't reduce traffic, rather at 10 AM and every other Tier 1 is gone Disney can claim they didn't "run out" of Tier 1.
 
Just got an email alert that my FP+ for Pooh and Tigger has been changed...

Hello Missy,

We recently made adjustments to our FastPass+ experiences and your FastPass+ selection of Meet Winnie the Pooh and Friends in the United Kingdom on 05/22/2014 has been changed. This experience is still available as standby only.

We apologize for the inconvenience. We are providing you with an alternate selection from our highly popular experiences, which you will see in your My Disney Experience account. You will have the option of selecting a different time or experience within the same park, anytime during normal Theme Park operating hours based on availability.
 
Weird. I mean it was in MDE as FP+ only so I don't really know if this is a glitch or they changed their mind.

Maybe they saw this thread. ;):rotfl:


No way it was a glitch. Last fall when we were there and the Minnie DHS meet and greet was brand new, they were aleady talking about it going to be switching to a FP+ only meet and greet. I don't believe that all 3 meet and greets, EPCOT (Pooh, Tigger), DHS (Minnie), and AK (Donald and Daisy) were just accidently temporarily listed as FP+ only on WDWs website either. I think someone came to their senses and realized what it was going to be like when little 2 year old Ava is standing there and can see Pooh and Tigger with no line and nothing to do, but the CMs won't let her near them because she doesn't have a FP+.
 
And yet, despite your attempt to explain that Disney would never be that stupid or stubborn....if you are at the rope when it drops at 11:00 for WS and rush right over to the UK to meet Pooh, despite the fact that no one is in line ahead of you, you will not be able to do so. I agree that this is ridiculous, but this is exactly what Disney just did.

I guess this remains to be seen.

If those "Fastpass only" notations are no longer on the website, maybe that was just a mistake. In fact, when I looked before the Pooh meet and greet was not on the list of attractions for FP+ at all. So, we don't know if any of this is really going to happen. I'm also not sure that all of those characters appear immediately at 11 AM when the World Showcase opens.

Regardless, there is a big difference between a character greeting with limited capacity, limited space for lines, and the need to swap out characters at regular intervals, and a ride with a much larger capacity that can load passengers almost continuously.
 
ktlm said:
Maybe they saw this thread. ;):rotfl:

No way it was a glitch. Last fall when we were there and the Minnie DHS meet and greet was brand new, they were aleady talking about it going to be switching to a FP+ only meet and greet. I don't believe that all 3 meet and greets, EPCOT (Pooh, Tigger), DHS (Minnie), and AK (Donald and Daisy) were accidently listed as FP+ only on their website either. I think someone came to their senses.

Oh yeah....they saw this thread for sure. ;) Whatever it is, I'm glad it's not like that now and do hope it doesn't go back. And glad I commented on this thread too b/c I was introduced to Pooh's Puffed French Toast and I'll be making some for Mother's Day. =)
 
Weird. I mean it was in MDE as FP+ only so I don't really know if this is a glitch or they changed their mind.

Gee, there are never glitches or mistakes on MDE. Like when the tiers were removed for FP+ at DHS and Epcot for a few hours, that was obviously intentional.

It couldn't possibly be that this was an innocent mistake and that a few posters overreacted and concluded that this was the first step in a sinister plan to eventually remove all standby lines from WDW.
 
Gee, there are never glitches or mistakes on MDE. Like when the tiers were removed for FP+ at DHS and Epcot for a few hours, that was obviously intentional.

It couldn't possibly be that this was an innocent mistake and that a few posters overreacted and concluded that this was the first step in a sinister plan to eventually remove all standby lines from WDW.

Gee, it's not like you to speak in such hyperbole. :rolleyes:

I know I have heard from the earliest days of FP+ that a goal of it was to greatly expand the number of FP options (numbers I heard would necessarily include M&Gs) and that some of these new M&Gs would indeed be FP-only. Therefore I was not entirely surprised by what happened earlier this week, but it still concerned me.
 
Gee, there are never glitches or mistakes on MDE. Like when the tiers were removed for FP+ at DHS and Epcot for a few hours, that was obviously intentional. It couldn't possibly be that this was an innocent mistake and that a few posters overreacted and concluded that this was the first step in a sinister plan to eventually remove all standby lines from WDW.

That's pretty unfair.

This wasn't something someone just noticed and freaked out about, like when the tiers went away. This was something the bloggers who are usually relied upon for up to date, accurate info (even more so than Disney themselves), had confirmed.

We still don't know what's what here, so it's a little early to be calling this a technical error. Nobody said this is definitely the first step in eliminating stand by lines, people were discussing the possibility that it could be.
 
wisblue said:
Gee, there are never glitches or mistakes on MDE. Like when the tiers were removed for FP+ at DHS and Epcot for a few hours, that was obviously intentional.

It couldn't possibly be that this was an innocent mistake and that a few posters overreacted and concluded that this was the first step in a sinister plan to eventually remove all standby lines from WDW.

It very well could be a glitch. MDE is a pretty glitchtastic system. However, I believe when the HS/Epcot removing of tiers happened it wasn't like Disney stated on MDE that you can book 2 Tier 1's. It just so happened that users found this error in the system. I think that is a little different than what happened this go round. And I am thinking we probably have different definitions on over reacting so we'll probably have to agree to disagree there. The way I see it, we were having a discussion.
 
morethananyonex said:
That's pretty unfair.

This wasn't something someone just noticed and freaked out about, like when the tiers went away. This was something the bloggers who are usually relied upon for up to date, accurate info (even more so than Disney themselves), had confirmed.

We still don't know what's what here, so it's a little early to be calling this a technical error. Nobody said this is definitely the first step in eliminating stand by lines, people were discussing the possibility that it could be.

Thanks! It's like you read my mind!
 

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