Disney doesn't care if you cannot afford it

I kind of agree with the article. There are ways to do WDW cheaper, but none of them would appeal to me. I could take some pretty luxurious vacations for what a low end WDW vacation would cost. You honestly couldn't pay me to stay a week in a value resort that's how much I hated the one night I spent at POP. I have found cruising DCL in the off season on last minute discounted rates to be much cheaper than WDW.

I agree with the article when they say they are targeting the top 20%. We are in the top 20%, and if we weren't there is no way I could afford to do anything Disney. I'm not sure about the 1%. My brother is in the top 1% and he would never take his family to WDW he prefers to go on more exotic vacations like Europe, African Safaris and such. I do believe Disney has priced out a lot of middle of the middle class. I think their target is the upper middle class in the top 10-20%, and there seems to be enough people in that income bracket to fill the parks every day.

As for my family I don't know if we'll ever go back to WDW I just don't find the value in it anymore.
 

Here's the text of the article. I have a subscription apparently.


Last month, Disney once again hiked its prices. And once again, the world responded with shrieks. It's too high! People won't pay! Disney is nuts!

None of that is true.


Disney is charging what the market will bear. And frankly, anyone who has been to Disney — and witnessed a two-hour wait for Soarin' or struggled six months out to get reservations at the Be Our Guest restaurant — knows that Disney not only can raise its prices, it actually needed something to thin the herd.


These are basic laws of supply and demand. And there is continued demand for the pixie dust Disney supplies.

But as true as it is that Disney is simply following basic business models, it's also true that Disney has priced out much of America.

Disney may be America's playground, but many Americans can't afford to play here anymore.

This is Disney's new reality.

It can cost a family of four $5,000 for a week's vacation that includes only moderate-level accommodations and dining.

Single-day tickets — now $105 a day at the Magic Kingdom — have nearly doubled in the past decade, far outpacing inflation and wage growth.

Frommer's — one of the world's best-known travel authorities — has described the trend as the "The one-percenting of Disney."

The Washington Post penned a piece titled: "How theme parks like Disney World left the middle class behind."

Well, if Disney is leaving most of America behind, it is leaving its hometown in the dust.

Metro Orlando, after all, ranks dead last in wages among major metro regions.

That means many of those who live in the shadow of Cinderella Castle can't afford to go inside.

This isn't an inflammatory theory. It's basic math. Look at the numbers:

The latest price hike puts midtier annual passes (with blackouts during spring break and the holidays) at $549 a person. For a family of four, that's $2,200.

Now, consider the majority of Central Floridians make less than $29,700. Yes, themajority.

That means working an entire month — without paying rent, taxes, grocery bills or anything else — to buy theme-park tickets.

It's simply not doable.

Locals can sometimes snag cheaper deals. And employees at Disney and other companies can get perks and freebies. But the majority of workers at parks, motels, restaurants and stores throughout Central Florida are scrambling just to make ends meet.

It is one of the wicked ironies of service-sector economies: The people who fuel the tourism engines can't afford to live like the visitors they serve.

So whom does Disney target? Well, it's much broader than the "1 percent" catchphrase suggests. One-percenters make around $300,000 and more. Disney seems to be targeting 20-percenters: folks with household incomes starting around $100,000.

That's in line with what Visit Orlando says the average visiting family makes: $95,000.

That may not sound like a lot to some. But it's more than double Central Florida's average household income of about $40,000.

Orlando's economy is really just a intensified reflection of America's widening income gap.

It wasn't always this way. When Disney opened its doors in 1971, a full day's ticket cost $3.50. Today, you have to spend $20 just to park your car.

In just the past 11 years, prices have doubled for both single-day passes (from $55 to $105) and top-tier annual passes (from $300 to $649).

So park prices are up about 100 percent, while the average American's wages have increased by about 35 percent.

I think this price disconnect may do some long-term damage to Disney's brand loyalty. Right now, 40-something Gen X-ers are willing to cough up a mortgage payment or two to take their kids to Disney because they have fond memories of family trips when they were young.

But if today's kids are priced out, they won't feel the same Disney draw once they have kids of their own.

Still, for now, I see no reason to expect park prices to stop rising, because the parks are still packed with people who are willing and able to pay.

The harsh reality is that Disney doesn't have to worry about leaving working-class families behind ... because it doesn't need them.

smaxwell@tribpub.com
 
Disney is a business. I read a lot on how Walt Disney did not think like that... Well, Walt Disney died a long time ago.

Now, we've been to WDW 7 times within 4 years... The two or three first trips we used to have 3-6 park days. Now, we have 1-2 park days in the whole vacation. This is how we cope with the rising prices.

The rest of the time, we do other stuff on site. It's all good. As long as we can afford staying on site...
 
Orlando and areas around Orlando have low pay because of wdw universal sea world low pay for most of them.
 
Business is business.....All companies and all cruise lines. NCL, RCCL, NCL and Princess(as their rising prices of late prove), other businesses and even the ultra lines are going to charge the maximum they can that will generate the maximum profit. All Cruise Lines don't care if some folks cannot afford it. It is quite unfair to say *Disney* in the title and imply they are the only Business charging what the market will bear..


AKK
 
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I think it's funny that they are just now saying that consumers are being priced out. I don't remember a time that Disney was actually "affordable". it has always been on the high end for a family vacation. It is just more evident now because the price increases are more frequent and are clearly being used as a way to curb demand because the parks are so crowded. If it was less expensive, more people would go and then the parks would be more crowded, the lines would be longer and people would be complaining about that instead. There is no happy medium.

I think it is safe to say most of us have been on several cruises and/or visits to the park. We are spoiled. I have personally been to DL more times than I can count and my 16 year old DS actually complains and says we go on too many vacations. (true story... so sad, huh?) I know people who have never been to a Disney park or on a cruise and it is a bucket list item for them. Sure... A $5,000 vacation to DW is expensive. But is it really much more than a trip to Hawaii? We take for granted that we can go almost any time we want and my kids will never appreciate it as much as a kid whose parents will spend years saving up for that one big trip. I think that is the market Disney is looking to appeal to. Once the crowd levels even out, I imagine the pricing will too. The same can be said for the the cruise line. But right now, they are taking advantage of the market because the market it allowing it.
 
Here's the text of the article. I have a subscription apparently.


Last month, Disney once again hiked its prices. And once again, the world responded with shrieks. It's too high! People won't pay! Disney is nuts!

None of that is true.


Disney is charging what the market will bear. And frankly, anyone who has been to Disney — and witnessed a two-hour wait for Soarin' or struggled six months out to get reservations at the Be Our Guest restaurant — knows that Disney not only can raise its prices, it actually needed something to thin the herd.


These are basic laws of supply and demand. And there is continued demand for the pixie dust Disney supplies.

But as true as it is that Disney is simply following basic business models, it's also true that Disney has priced out much of America.

Disney may be America's playground, but many Americans can't afford to play here anymore.

This is Disney's new reality.

It can cost a family of four $5,000 for a week's vacation that includes only moderate-level accommodations and dining.

Single-day tickets — now $105 a day at the Magic Kingdom — have nearly doubled in the past decade, far outpacing inflation and wage growth.

Frommer's — one of the world's best-known travel authorities — has described the trend as the "The one-percenting of Disney."

The Washington Post penned a piece titled: "How theme parks like Disney World left the middle class behind."

Well, if Disney is leaving most of America behind, it is leaving its hometown in the dust.

Metro Orlando, after all, ranks dead last in wages among major metro regions.

That means many of those who live in the shadow of Cinderella Castle can't afford to go inside.

This isn't an inflammatory theory. It's basic math. Look at the numbers:

The latest price hike puts midtier annual passes (with blackouts during spring break and the holidays) at $549 a person. For a family of four, that's $2,200.

Now, consider the majority of Central Floridians make less than $29,700. Yes, themajority.

That means working an entire month — without paying rent, taxes, grocery bills or anything else — to buy theme-park tickets.

It's simply not doable.

Locals can sometimes snag cheaper deals. And employees at Disney and other companies can get perks and freebies. But the majority of workers at parks, motels, restaurants and stores throughout Central Florida are scrambling just to make ends meet.

It is one of the wicked ironies of service-sector economies: The people who fuel the tourism engines can't afford to live like the visitors they serve.

So whom does Disney target? Well, it's much broader than the "1 percent" catchphrase suggests. One-percenters make around $300,000 and more. Disney seems to be targeting 20-percenters: folks with household incomes starting around $100,000.

That's in line with what Visit Orlando says the average visiting family makes: $95,000.

That may not sound like a lot to some. But it's more than double Central Florida's average household income of about $40,000.

Orlando's economy is really just a intensified reflection of America's widening income gap.

It wasn't always this way. When Disney opened its doors in 1971, a full day's ticket cost $3.50. Today, you have to spend $20 just to park your car.

In just the past 11 years, prices have doubled for both single-day passes (from $55 to $105) and top-tier annual passes (from $300 to $649).

So park prices are up about 100 percent, while the average American's wages have increased by about 35 percent.

I think this price disconnect may do some long-term damage to Disney's brand loyalty. Right now, 40-something Gen X-ers are willing to cough up a mortgage payment or two to take their kids to Disney because they have fond memories of family trips when they were young.

But if today's kids are priced out, they won't feel the same Disney draw once they have kids of their own.

Still, for now, I see no reason to expect park prices to stop rising, because the parks are still packed with people who are willing and able to pay.

The harsh reality is that Disney doesn't have to worry about leaving working-class families behind ... because it doesn't need them.

smaxwell@tribpub.com
Thanks for posting that. I really take issue with people who throw around income statistics. They are very misleading. There is a huge percentage of the population in the us now that consists of new immigrants with little to no education. Most are on welfare. This is not a judgement just a fact. People making the $29000/year that he references qualify for substantial welfare subsidies. Is he suggesting disney should be providing welfare assistance for park tickets?
 
Its all about supply and demand. As long as they are filling their parks/ships, they can continue to increase prices. They can even decide that they would rather each person pay the price that 4 people payed previously so that the ships aren't as full, but the profit is better. That is a balance every business has to find - what is the right price to optimize profits? When does it get so expensive that profits go down? What is the most I can charge and still fill most of the seats?

If they keep raising prices, they will eventually hit the point where it is no longer filling the parks/ships, and they will offer deals to entice people to come.
 
If they keep raising prices, they will eventually hit the point where it is no longer filling the parks/ships, and they will offer deals to entice people to come.

or the economy crashes at some point. What goes up eventually comes down and vice versa. Cruise lines had some amazing deals in 2009-10 during height of the recession. WDW tics still weren't cheap then, but I do remember some nice promo rates on off-season value resort rooms.
 
Hear a lot about how expensive Disney is - some thoughts

Travel is expensive - I travel extensively for business - a mid-level business hotel in the suburbs is over $100/night - in a city of any size $200-300.

We just spent 3 days at POR - as Fl residents, $184/night. Went to Margaritaville in Hollywood Beach in Oct - $216/night - roughly comparable.

It wasn't always this way. When Disney opened its doors in 1971, a full day's ticket cost $3.50. Today, you have to spend $20 just to park your car.
Sure - it was just $3.50 to get in - adjusted for inflation just about what it costs to park now. Don't forget buying those extra E-tickets! One price for all the attractions now - better value (and more efficient - don't need to PAY castmembers to sell/take tickets)

Is it "supply and demand" - sure, Eisner first figured out they weren't charging enough - so he raised prices - demand was steady, he raised prices and raised again - businesses (successful businesses, anyways) don't charge prices based on cost plus a fixed profit margin, they charge what they can, don't see any reason WDW should be different.

Would it be nice if everyone in the 'middle class' could afford to vacation in WDW every year - yeah, I guess. Guess it would be nice if everyone could drive a Maybach too but don't see that happening soon.

From a different perspective (business) - I sometimes wonder how WDW can keep prices as LOW as they are - look at the size of the capital investment in facilities alone (the parks, the hotels, the road system, power, water, etc.) - that capital has to be paid for - and they maintenance paid for. Parades aren't free either. Can't imagine the daily budget for fireworks for the parks, but I bet I could have a REAL nice vacation on one or two nights worth of what's spent there.

That POR room I mentioned above doesn't cost too much more than the Fairfield Inn on US-192 in Melbourne FL - but there's no comparison where I'd rather stay for a vacation.

Just told someone that complained to me about the prices at Disney - if you don't like Disney's prices, build your own theme park and charge what you want.

Compare what you get at WDW with the alternatives - I'm sure Disney is, that's why their prices are where they are.
 
I would point out the $3.50 admission, back in the day did not include the paper ticket books you had to buy, a though e tickets. Parking at a ball game today is up to $26.00

The *opinion* piece (not really a article) has many distortions.

In the end it is still the fact that all businesses will charge what the market will bear. Still WDW is so amazing and provides so much over the top entertainment, in the parks, resorts, shopping , water parks, etc......etc.....etc........they can charge more then others.

AKK
 
After going to WDW multiple times per year for almost two decades my wife and I just "discovered" DCL year before last. We have already enjoyed three sailings with a fourth upcoming (three of those concierge sailings). Just over the past two years we have watch the price increases with great concern. With the last sailings released Disney priced us out of what we are wiling to spend when we see clear alternatives to their offerings. With WDW there still is no direct comparison to what is offered in the parks at that scale. Lucky for us we joined the DVC ranks so other than annual dues our hotel stays at Disney are covered for what will likely be the rest of our vacationing lives.

That being said I fully expect Disney to continue raising prices to see what the market will bear. Once those attendance numbers start dropping or ships start sailing less than full they will check themselves. Then we might see some new incentives or a prices break. But with anything in life you have to determine what you are willing to spend to achieve a goal. DCL is in our review mirrors and we are watching what WDW is going to do. If things get too out of hand then we'll be renting out our DVC points for a huge profit and then use that money with other travel offerings.
 
Yeah, everything is expensive nowadays. Everything.

Ultimately, no, Disney does not care who is priced out as long as they're hitting their numbers from people willing to pay what they ask. And there's no indication they have any problem getting people to pay what they ask. Parks or cruises. People pay it. The only change that will happen is price increases if the market will bear it.

As to Central Florida pay: cost of living, there's a reason we don't live there. I grew up there. Hubby was offered a job doing a project at WDW many years ago. The pay was laughable. We couldn't have lived on that even if I was working outside the home, too. Even now, the pay rates for what my husband does in that area are a small fraction compared to what rates are for the same job here in Houston. The cost of living is not much different. There's articles all the time that discuss income to cost of living ratios for cities across the country. I think everyone should spend time educating themselves about pay rates for their profession in different cities then factor cost of living there. We are not in Houston because we have some particular interest here. Some of hubby's family is here (they are all in the same business) but none of mine are. It's where it makes the most financial sense for us to be. In turn, we have the means to travel whereas if we lived in Central Florida we most assuredly would NOT.
 
I don't understand why people post such negativities. I know, free world, and everyone has an opinion, etc. But, this is a DCL forum and most of us are excited about the opportunity to go on an upcoming cruise or are sharing their advice and experiences on past cruises. Everyone knows how much they paid/are paying for their cruises, so why the need to post such an opinonated article? (Rhetorical question. I don't really need an answer). Visiting amusement parks and taking cruises are a luxury of sorts, so of course, it doesn't cost a minimal price! If it was super cheap, it would be so crowded and overloaded with people (of all economic statuses) that those complaining, wouldn't even want to go! Sorry, in advance, for venting... :rolleyes1
 
Life is about choices and priorities. We live in a Dallas suburb and a couple times a year I look at buying 4 tickets and taking the family to a Cowboys game. Even with a 2-6 season thus far, to do so could easily run me $2000 or more for ONE AFTERNOON. Decent seats will run $400-$500 a piece. Last time there I paid $75 to park almost 1/2 a mile away in a sketchy lot that I hope my car was still there when I got back. Beer runs $15, soda $8, etc. I choose not to go very often - and yet last Sunday there were over 93,000 people there that did. I typically only go when I get access to the company suite.

However, I have no issue paying thousands for a DCL or WDW trip. That is our families priority and choice. We consider ourselves very lucky and grateful that we can do that and we often times take family members along who normally would not be able to go. When we were first married and went to WDW we would stay in the cheapest motel we could find and never really knew any better. Over the years we've learned there was more out there and we've worked for it and have been DVC members for 7 years now. We do get gruff from people about the fact that we only vacation on DCL or at WDW - but who cares. Its truly our "HAPPY PLACE"!
 
Life is about choices and priorities. We live in a Dallas suburb and a couple times a year I look at buying 4 tickets and taking the family to a Cowboys game. Even with a 2-6 season thus far, to do so could easily run me $2000 or more for ONE AFTERNOON. Decent seats will run $400-$500 a piece. Last time there I paid $75 to park almost 1/2 a mile away in a sketchy lot that I hope my car was still there when I got back. Beer runs $15, soda $8, etc. I choose not to go very often - and yet last Sunday there were over 93,000 people there that did.

Wow! That's a lot for a team that SUCKS!
 

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