Disney does not want or need FastPass+ Haters business!

[BuckeyeBama]

That's not accurate either.

I don't care about riding tsmm multiple times. We didn't generally before, and if we did it was 1 fp, 1 standby.

I want the ability to ride tsmm AND rnrc with a fp. Both just once each. And then I'd like to get a fp for tot, and star tours..again, just once would be fine.

Really? I mean, really? The post that you are quoting is in direct response to a post before it (which I quoted). You are running off in a different direction. I did not/do not even pretend to address every issue/concern with FP+ vs FP- in that post.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree, but consider that the vast majority tour the way that this PP tours and you can see that FP+ is going to make more people happy than it makes sad/upset. Why are the parks empty until 10am every day? Because most guests want to take it easy when on vacation. FP+ allows for that while still ensuring a ride on your favorite attraction.

The needs of the many...

Like I already said, I understand fp+ is better for others. I don't make posts about it being "totally bogus" that fp+ works better for others, as the person I was responding to was saying about those who prefer legacy.

I don't know that I agree its works better for the majority, though. I think the majority reaction is closer to what my SIL's was last night. We went with them in 2013 over spring break. They had such a great time and use of fp that apparently SIL didn't even realize crowd levels were at 8s and 9s. They want to go again in November, and we were discussing planning last night. I mentioned fp being different than what they used last year, because I know it was an.important part of their experience last time. I explained, without showing bias..just stating facts..about the 3/day limit and prebooking, and her response was "seriously, we have to book *rides* in advance now??"

They are very much not Disney lovers. My brother didn't even want to go last year because he hates being in crowds and lines. FP played a huge part in them *loving* their trip with their sons. They have concerns about the 3/day limit as well, and they were never in the "fp abuse club" everyone refers to here.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I don't know that I agree its works better for the majority, though. .

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Really? I mean, really? The post that you are quoting is in direct response to a post before it (which I quoted). You are running off in a different direction. I did not/do not even pretend to address every issue/concern with FP+ vs FP- in that post.

What's with the reallys? I read the discussion. In what I quoted, you said that the con fp+ people want to ride tsmm 2+ times a day (implying that's part of why they don't like fp+).

I simply responded with the fact that, as a person who doesn't like fp+, I don't care at all about riding tsmm multiple times and posted what my issues with it actually are.

My point was that not everyone who dislikes fp+ dislikes it because they can't ride something multiple times.

 

[Angel Ariel]

We will have to agree to disagree.

That's fine. I don't think the majority of vacationers *want* to plan down to the level of when they ride something each day. Vacation isn't about schedules for many many people. Heck, I don't want to do it, but like adrs I.will because I know its necessary.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

My point was that not everyone who dislikes fp+ dislikes it because they can't ride something multiple times.

Agreed

 

[kbelle8995]

I do not want to ride TSM a bunch of times.

I want to ride it once. I have timed it once when it was a 20 minute wait during SWW. But majority of the time you have to go early and hit the ride or grab a FP and then hit it later through that. Tricky either way.

I don't know how FP+ is going to impact this ride so I am wondering.

 

[magicbob]

I agree, but consider that the vast majority tour the way that this PP tours and you can see that FP+ is going to make more people happy than it makes sad/upset. Why are the parks empty until 10am every day? Because most guests want to take it easy when on vacation. FP+ allows for that while still ensuring a ride on your favorite attraction.

The needs of the many...

Mr. Spock says:

It looks like you can use the FP+ from both tickets without actually using both tickets to enter the parks. If this hole is still open when we go next, we will take advantage of it as we have APs and don't mind buying tickets to apply to our AP renewal.

If someone pays for and uses an extra ticket to get extra FP+, more power to them. But, it seems to me, there is quite a moral gray area in exploiting a loophole like you described. The intent is for you to receive three FP+ with each paid admission. If you can redeem FP+ using ticket media that have not been "used" at the gate, then you could use them over and over again and not be out any extra money. Seems like that might be more than your "fair share."

 

[Bete]

It really is quite simple why others may love it while you didn't. With regards to your points (numbered above), for myself: 1. We generally arrived early enough at DHS to get TSMM FPs. Not RD, but within 30 mins or so. 2. The one FP at a time never bothered us, as we were always able to get another FP when our window opened. Aside from TSMM/Soarin/TT, we never had issues getting FP-s for anything else, even well into the evening. 3. We never rushed our family (or ourselves, prior to DD) from ride to ride. We picked up FPs as we toured and decided we wanted them. (Though I do agree that being able to get FPs from one central location is a definite improvement). 4. We got up early, but it wasn't "for FPs". And on days we really wanted to sleep in, we did. As we generally spend 10+ hours in MK, we easily used more than 3 FP/day...probably 6-7 easily. So cutting that in half definitely negatively affects us. As we generally stay offsite, we always had an equal opportunity to get FPs. Now we don't...onsite guests get to book 60 days before they arrive, and offsite guests have to wait in kiosk lines first thing in the morning (instead of using that valuable RD time to ride rides) to be able to get FPs - and we have to hope that FPs we want are available for things like TSMM, and that the onsite guests haven't booked all the slots already (hasn't been an issue for multitudes of offsite guests yet, I acknowledge this, but was for some over the holiday weekend...I will be keeping an eye on how this goes over spring break season). Customer Service is in the eye of the customer, and is very subjective. For us and our touring style, legacy FP was more beneficial for us. I understand and appreciate that FP+ is better for others, though.

I totally agree, here.

Those who learned to use legacy fastpass to the upmost definitely averaged more than 3 fastpasses per day. I think this is my biggest objection.

Also, the new fastpass plus system doesn't allow everyone to be on the same playing field especially the off site guest. The biggest issue here is the offsite guest doesn't have another option. I'm sure many offsite guests would pay a differential to get equal access, but it's not available. I want the same opportunity for advance reservations, not just leftovers after on site guests pick first. I understand that Disney is using this new fastpass system to get you to stay on site. If they succeed fully on this count, I know the Disney resort prices will go up and up. They will have a captive audience and they will make you pay for it fully. Wait and see.

Based on my last off site experience in early December 2013 I won't be returning for a while. I went annually to Disney World, but they won't see me for at least 5 years and maybe never more. My chances for an onsite stay are rare, now. We take our dog everywhere on vacation and I refuse to kennel her overnight anywhere. Besides being separated so much and so inconvenient to kennel the dog I don't want the extra cost.

I've had many good years at Disney, but this is a deal breaker for me; unless, fastpass plus improves. Also, I really dislike how this isolates those who are without smart devices or in the know how to do it. Legacy fastpass was much easier to do. I can see seniors being highly affected by this change. I'm a senior myself and pretty savvy with it all, but there are more seniors who will simply skip fastpass plus all together then to deal with it all. This makes it a less satisfying experience for them then in the past. Disney is making it difficult on the older crowd.

What will be, will be. I've been around the block with Disney and I really feel fastpass plus is a bad idea overall. Hopefully, in the future Disney will see the light especially if the park count goes down. It could be that Disney is looking to lower overall crowds at the parks and make their on site resort guests pay significantly higher prices on their stay in the end to make up the difference.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If someone pays for and uses an extra ticket to get extra FP+, more power to them. But, it seems to me, there is quite a moral gray area in exploiting a loophole like you described. The intent is for you to receive three FP+ with each paid admission. If you can redeem FP+ using ticket media that have not been "used" at the gate, then you could use them over and over again and not be out any extra money. Seems like that might be more than your "fair share."

I doubt that I will lose sleep over this "transgression". After all, anyone can do it. If they choose not to do so, is that my fault/problem?

 

[mom2rtk]

I doubt that I will lose sleep over this "transgression". After all, anyone can do it. If they choose not to do so, is that my fault/problem?

But anyone could have gotten to the parks at rope drop and utilized legacy FP to its fullest extent.

Not sure I'm seeing the difference.......

 

[flicx]

There are several points I don't go along with. How much more room does Disney really have for price increases, especially on rooms? Deluxes are in the 300 400 500 and up range already. Moderates are what deluxes were less than ten years ago, and even AOA is at a deluxe rate on a lot of their rooms. A one day ticket is over a hundred bucks. Food is crazy, 10 and 11 dollar burgers is just plain high. I think people on these boards really underestimate the number of return customers. These people have been Disney's core for years. If they toss them aside it is a big loss. This new system is doing just that. It also won't take long for newbies to figure out whats going on either. I see people going to see the dwarves mine coaster, then a flattening out will occur. At that point Disney will come begging for the regulars to come back!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

But anyone could have gotten to the parks at rope drop and utilized legacy FP to its fullest extent.

Not sure I'm seeing the difference.......

You must have me confused with someone else. I prefer FP-, but am okay with FP+. I will make the most of FP+, just as I made the most of FP-.

I am looking for ways to leverage the system at my disposal, whatever it may be.

 

[magicbob]

I doubt that I will lose sleep over this "transgression". After all, anyone can do it. If they choose not to do so, is that my fault/problem?

I see what you did there. Nice try, but no cigar.

But anyone could have gotten to the parks at rope drop and utilized legacy FP to its fullest extent.

Not sure I'm seeing the difference.......

Arriving at RD and pulling FP as soon as you were allowed to was "abusing the system" in a way that only a few "in the know" people could take advantage of. Exploiting a loophole to get extra FPs using "non-validated" ticket media is ok because "anyone can do it."

 

[practicallyperfect77]

I doubt that I will lose sleep over this "transgression". After all, anyone can do it. If they choose not to do so, is that my fault/problem?

Not your problem at all. Just like it's not the Pro FP-'s problem/fault that others didn't use FP-. I am a little confused though......from your previous posts I thought you were pro FP+.....why would you feel the need to use this loophole? I could definitely have read into things incorrectly though.

 

[LoKiHB]

Tl; dr

This.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Not your problem at all. Just like it's not the Pro FP-'s problem/fault that others didn't use FP-. I am a little confused though......from your previous posts I thought you were pro FP+.....why would you feel the need to use this loophole? I could definitely have read into things incorrectly though.

Not pro-FP+, just not dead set against it. If given a choice, I would vote for a move back to FP-. That isn't going to happen, so I am trying to make the best of it.

I did have a very good trip in January using FP+, but had to change my touring strategy to do so. We prefer very spontaneous vacations, so obviously FP- was better for us.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

I see what you did there. Nice try, but no cigar.

Arriving at RD and pulling FP as soon as you were allowed to was "abusing the system" in a way that only a few "in the know" people could take advantage of. Exploiting a loophole to get extra FPs using "non-validated" ticket media is ok because "anyone can do it."

OK...glad I'm not the only one that sees the irony here.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Not pro-FP+, just not dead set against it. If given a choice, I would vote for a move back to FP-. That isn't going to happen, so I am trying to make the best of it.

I did have a very good trip in January using FP+, but had to change my touring strategy to do so. We prefer very spontaneous vacations, so obviously FP- was better for us.

OK...thanks for clearing that up.

 

[magicbob]

In fairness to PP, I can understand how some guests may feel pushed into taking advantage of these types of loopholes in order to counteract the impact of the new system on them. But be warned... there are people here who used to lambast us ceaselessly about using a FP late even though it was allowed. The practice you described would almost certainly make those people's heads explode!