Disney Boycott?

[Mr D]

You know AV in this day and age it is concievable to offer a different version of "The Wonderful World of Disney"

Put it on streaming video on the internet....But instead of coming from the broadcast booth of Duloc its planned, assembled and maintained by the true "hard core" Disney fans. I could imagine such people as Al Lutz, Jim Hill. Alex Stroup, Mike Scopa, Mark Goldhaber, Kevin Yee, Sue Kruse, Ian Parkinson, Jon Nadelburg, Chuck Oberleitner and anybody else that I also know that are willing to contribute to developing a show about the visionary aspects of Disney and not just re-runs of vaulted material.

What we could have is basicaly a video version of some of the many many creative ideas, views, commentary or other inputs I personally have seen for quite a few years on an assortment of Disney websites.

A segment of "Yesterland"

A weekly showing of possible future them park ideas, additions and ideas.

Clurrent progress reports of ongoing construction with either stils or video.

And of course the usual section of "News and Rumors"

Hopefully somebody close to Roy and Stan reads this and may think about it for a minute to see if its viable, more and more are accessing broadband and even dialups could see broadcasts in essence but it would allow us to use the power of computing to create our OWN version of "Its a Wonderful World"

I can just imagine the furor this would raise if all of a sudden secret cast members started sending video clips of new rides or pics of shoddy maintenance but there should be a blend and a balance of good or bad, sure there is a LOT of bad but there is always a lot more of good available'

But this is just an idea....





And as usual I appreciate AV's comments on any ideas I may have

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"But get real. You only are able to enjoy WDW because millions and millions of other people want to enjoy it as well. Unless you and Mr. Viking are willing to give Eisner about $10 billion each to keep the place open, perhaps you should also be concerned about what others care about."***

I'm confused. Millions & millions ARE going, so I should show I care about them by boycotting Disney myself ?

So when we boycott, what will happen first ? ME quits/retires/gets fired, or the CM who sweeps up the trash gets laid off, or maybe hours are cut more, or less parades, or TL's upgrade is postponed,or they run less buses, or the increase prices.......

Maybe I'm looking out for those Millions and Millions by supporting the parks. Going to WDW does not mean I endorse ME.

 

[Mr D]

Hey folks even I think a boycott of visiting guests would have little effect, but to really have an impact it would have to be from the inside and that means a strike, sickout, walkout or just plain leaving Disney. I get tired of people whining about those cast members that may lose their jobs, but what if they are ready to leave because of all the recent pay cuts, poor morale, accidents and poor leadership? If I was in the house of mouse I would have left long ago.

If it could be organized to a certain date all that much better, so if any cast member reads this and is planning on leaving any Disney park because they are fed up post a date and hopefully it can be organized as a protest to the board in their decision to keep ME around.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Mr D
Hey folks even I think a boycott of visiting guests would have little effect, but to really have an impact it would have to be from the inside and that means a strike, sickout, walkout or just plain leaving Disney. I get tired of people whining about those cast members that may lose their jobs, but what if they are ready to leave because of all the recent pay cuts, poor morale, accidents and poor leadership? If I was in the house of mouse I would have left long ago.

If it could be organized to a certain date all that much better, so if any cast member reads this and is planning on leaving any Disney park because they are fed up post a date and hopefully it can be organized as a protest to the board in their decision to keep ME around.

You may not understand, as you contemplate your brand-new goliath plasma-screen TV and the addition you'll build to your house for your home theatre, that many people in hourly positions can't afford a day or two of unpaid wages, no matter how noble the cause. Plus ... a strike/sickout/walkout only works if there are no other people in line to take over the jobs that are left behind. Disney has CTs and CRs galore, who unfortunately also do not have the kind of disposable income that would allow them to not take a couple of days of work to cover for any full-timers who might walk out for a day or two in protest. Not to mention the number of managers and other salaried types who could easily be pressed into service to cover in the parks, as they are during busy holiday seasons. And for those CMs who are ready to leave anyway ... their leaving will do little more than open up those positions for the people standing in line to be hired into them.

 

[HauntedMansionFan]

Originally posted by Planogirl
Mr Pirate, if you look back over this thread you will see that there is some of the usual tiresome blasting of Universal. I realize that you don't do this but some do and for some reason do this in threads regarding Disney's problems or lack thereof. This is what I am referring too. I just believe, as I think you do, that Disney needs to stand on its own and should not be compared to anywhere else. After all, Disney is supposed to set the standard.

I made a statement about Universal but I certainly didn't "blast" them. What other statements are we talking about? Did I miss them?

 

[HauntedMansionFan]

Originally posted by WDSearcher
You may not understand, as you contemplate your brand-new goliath plasma-screen TV and the addition you'll build to your house for your home theatre,

Did you find this statement snobby also?

 

[larry_poppins]

I just wanted to add that next month I am visiting Tokyo Disney. Some of the money that I will be spending in Japan comes from money that no longer is spend at domestic Disney.

For example. I no longer Christmas shop at the parks. I no longer eat as many overpriced meals at EPCOT no that there are no Magic Kingdom Club discounts. I no longer eat any dinners at Disneyland since I can walk to Mimi's Cafe on Harbour BLVD.
I don't shop at what is left of the Disney Stores.

I still spend some money at domestic Disney but nothing like I used to spend before Frank Wells died.

Larry

 

[Chuck S]

You don't think the Disney organization has a contingency plan in case of a strike? Strikes are nothing new...Disney employee unions have been on strike before and the parks were not shut down. They will simply pull in the management employees to cover until new folks can be brought in. Oh, and is the economy that good in FL that hourly CMs could find a comparable job and not suffer bankruptcy while waiting for "improvements"? FL is mostly a retirement and tourism economy, meaning low paying service industry jobs. If a substantial number of hourly CMs leave WDW, they would most likely economize where they could (as anyone else that is unemployed would), less eating out, less travel unless related to job hunting, less entertainment...which would then dry up their own job market. Unless they could PROVE they were "forced" to leave (difficult, given it would be considered a voluntary termination), they would receive no unemployment benefits.

 

[DemoBri1]

This is absolutely rediculous!! Do you really think this will work?? Who's it going to hurt...Eisner??? Most definitely not. It will hurt the CMs and you and I.

If you are a Disney fan you should be supporting the company through thick and thin. A boycott, in my mind, is not supporting the company. The shareholders spoke in Philadelphia, and hopefully, the TBOD will finally have a fire lit underneath them to get the ball rolling.

I really hope that everyone isn't looking at this solely based on stock returns.

 

[DemoBri1]

Originally posted by BRERALEX
Casual fans don't notice the decline of the parks over the years and the hardcore ones can.

That is not exactly correct. If you want to nitpick stuff at the parks, then yes...they have gone downhill, but don't profess to know whether or not I can tell the difference between the parks of 5 years ago and today.

Enjoy the experience, and quit trying to pick apart every darn detail that you can find.

 

[LTUDawg]

"Enjoy the experience, and quit trying to pick apart every darn detail that you can find."

Great point, I will next week in my RV at FW. Hope everyone else does also (except not in my RV, lol). Good luck also to the cast and crew. See ya, S

 

[BRERALEX]

Enjoy the experience, and quit trying to pick apart every darn detail that you can find.

i don't try tp pick apart every detail i can find i just once and awhile miss those midnight closings my missing chicken finger and other little straws.

they have gone downhill, but don't profess to know whether or not I can tell the difference between the parks of 5 years ago and today.

i don't profess to know what you can tell but i do know my opinion is that

Casual fans don't notice the decline of the parks over the years and the hardcore ones can.

 

[terribm]

Let me get this straight. You plan to continue to visit the Disney theme parks but just not eat or buy merchandise. That sounds kinda crazy to me. #1-you either BOYCOTT or you don't. There is no partial boycott. #2-What do you really believe a boycott would accomplish?

Terri

 

[jcodespoti]

For example. I no longer Christmas shop at the parks. I no longer eat as many overpriced meals at EPCOT no that there are no Magic Kingdom Club discounts. I no longer eat any dinners at Disneyland since I can walk to Mimi's Cafe on Harbour BLVD.

Overpriced...I don't think so.. I say Disney is a fair value for what you get.
Compared to other entertainment Disney may actually be cheaper.
If people want to boycott thats their choice, If enough people do so than it would affect Disney. How I don't know.

Joe in CT

 

[dcentity2000]

Disliking the products or the prices, these are reasons not to purchase Disney products.

But boycotting Disney merchandise? In some desperate shot at Eisner, or the Directors, or at the company itself?

What are you trying to achieve? Do you hope to oust people who you view as draconian leaders bent on sapping all creative spirit from Disney? Or is it just an attempt to show solidarity with those who do?

There are other means by which you might achieve either goal which do not include self deprivation, even of this rather minimalistic sort



Rich::

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

There are other means by which you might achieve either goal which do not include self deprivation, even of this rather minimalistic sort

Such as?

 

[Another Voice]

"If enough people do so than it would affect Disney. How I don't know."

Well – Eisner's in trouble because enough people aren't going to the theme parks, enough people aren't watching ABC, enough people aren't buying items from the Stores, enough people are clicking through GO.com.

Seems like simple good-old-American consumer choice is working pretty well.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***" Seems like simple good-old-American consumer choice is working pretty well."***

Then why boycott ?

***" Well – Eisner's in trouble because enough people aren't going to the theme parks, enough people aren't watching ABC, enough people aren't buying items from the Stores, enough people are clicking through GO.com."***

These people don't like the product,so they're not buying or watching. Let nature take it's course. Why boycott ?

 

[dcentity2000]

Originally posted by airlarry!
Such as?

Look on savedisney.com, they'll be glad to help you out



Rich::

 

[crusader]

Breralex

I don't believe there are any casual fans on these boards. Care to elaborate?

AV -

I don't think a global boycott is necessary. The products will either be purchased or passed in and of themselves. Management is closely monitoring what sells and what doesn't.

What's the real argument here? That only quality sells within a creative company and cheap tawdry products only profit due to brand monkeys?

Why can't disney sell trinkets and higher end stuff? Why can't disney produce a variety of media entertainment including critically acclaimed quality work and fun cartoons? Do you realize how many people absolutely love to buy loads and loads of stuff!! Many of them couldn't afford only quality merchandise so are you saying Disney should avoid the low end consumer market?