disney baggage pick up service

[vacationclub]

I was going to add, when that person's post stated I was the one splitting hairs, I wanted to add to your post....

When you say "that person" who are you refering to? You are the only person that actually used the phrase "splitting hairs".

Years ago, the attitude was what I cannot get away with...now it is what can I get away with.

It isn't about following the rules anymore, it is if I am the only one doing it most likely I won't get caught; who is going to call me out. It is about pressing the envelope now.....

What are you talking about?

Why is this even an issue. If you are renting a car grab your luggage too.

Sure but that takes time and energy. Make sense? You might as well ask why would anyone renting a car use RAC...just haul your luggage to the airport, wait in line and take care of it there......right?

Don't try to use the system thus effecting everyone else. You wonder why Disney prices constantly go up? It's because people are constantly trying to misuse the system.

Mis-use the system? Prices go up? Every single person staying is entitled to use it.....period. So, anyone NOT using it is still within their right make that choice either way. You're not affecting ANYONE when you choose NOT to use it, other then giving others MORE ROOM on the buses and saving Disney time and gas by NOT transporting you. By not using the system you help prices go DOWN not up.

If Disney was giving out free ice cream to every resort guest, and I decided I didn't want to take them up on that offer...did I cost Disney money....or did I save Disney money? According to my logic, I save them some money on ice cream, but according to your logic I somehow cost them more money.

 

[vacationclub]

RAC is not associated with ME and have nothing to do with each other, so again, your arguments still do not hold any validity.

Just grasping at straws...

I'm not grasping at any straws. I'm pointing out the RAC and the luggage portion of DME, while TECHNICALLY may be operated by different companies...are the EXACT SAME SERVICE in that they take care of transport of your luggage to OR from MCO and Disney. They may even share the same trucks with back hauling.

They perform the exact same service, just in opposite directions, so to say "they have nothing to do with each other" seems to me a grasp at something, be it a straw or whatever. From the the customers point of view....the person who would be considering how to use the Disney transport to and from the airport.....it is exactly the same. The two services don't need to have the same tax ID number for my argument to have validity.

 

[Jestocost]

I'm not grasping at any straws. I'm pointing out the RAC and the luggage portion of DME, while TECHNICALLY may be operated by different companies...are the EXACT SAME SERVICE in that they take care of transport of your luggage to OR from MCO and Disney. They may even share the same trucks with back hauling.

They perform the exact same service, just in opposite directions, so to say "they have nothing to do with each other" seems to me a grasp at something, be it a straw or whatever. From the the customers point of view....the person who would be considering how to use the Disney transport to and from the airport.....it is exactly the same. The two services don't need to have the same tax ID number for my argument to have validity.

This tangent and its precedents in nonsense semantics notwithstanding, the fact is that Disney does not intend for the incoming DME luggage transfer service to be used by guests not using the motor coach transportation service and explicitly states that. The reality, however, is that they have no way to prevent you from doing just what the OP wants to do. As a result, the only downside risk is for guests who skip the transport and have their luggage lost or delayed by the airline. In those cases, who knows what happens when Disney doesn't know to be looking for your bags? Nothing good for the guest, I would suggest. Those same guests are still likely to blame Disney for any problems, however.

The RAC vs. DME distinction applies only for trips back to the airport and is entirely relevant. If you can't conceptualize the difference, you may have difficulties resolving any problems that may arise.

 

[vacationclub]

This tangent and its precedents in nonsense semantics notwithstanding, the fact is that Disney does not intend for the incoming DME luggage transfer service to be used by guests not using the motor coach transportation service and explicitly states that. The reality, however, is that they have no way to prevent you from doing just what the OP wants to do. As a result, the only downside risk is for guests who skip the transport and have their luggage lost or delayed by the airline. In those cases, who knows what happens when Disney doesn't know to be looking for your bags? Nothing good for the guest, I would suggest. Those same guests are still likely to blame Disney for any problems, however.\.

Why would Disney not be looking for your bags? From point of view of the guys who pick up bags with yellow tags, it's all the same. They wouldn't care (or have any way of knowing) that any bag belongs to a person that plans on walking past a DME bus instead of getting on it. And any bag with a tag is in the system already...they are expecting it regardless of what action the owner of that bag takes once they get off the plane. As far as who to blame when a bag gets lost, that "pass the buck" scenario would occur either way...if you chose to get on a DME bus or get in a cab, or walk, or rent a car. Everyone putting a yellow tag on their bag takes the risk that...somewhere...their bag gets lost and they don't know in which system the bag has been lost.

The RAC vs. DME distinction applies only for trips back to the airport and is entirely relevant. If you can't conceptualize the difference, you may have difficulties resolving any problems that may arise.

Who are you speaking to here with such sarcasm, and what does this mean? Resolving what problems?

 

[Jestocost]

Why would Disney not be looking for your bags? From point of view of the guys who pick up bags with yellow tags, it's all the same. They wouldn't care (or have any way of knowing) that any bag belongs to a person that plans on walking past a DME bus instead of getting on it. And any bag with a tag is in the system already...they are expecting it regardless of what action the owner of that bag takes once they get off the plane. As far as who to blame when a bag gets lost, that "pass the buck" scenario would occur either way...if you chose to get on a DME bus or get in a cab, or walk, or rent a car. Everyone putting a yellow tag on their bag takes the risk that...somewhere...their bag gets lost and they don't know in which system the bag has been lost.



Who are you speaking to here with such sarcasm, and what does this mean? Resolving what problems?

You have just answered your own question.

 

[vacationclub]

You have just answered your own question.

Which question? And how did it get answered? Why are you so sarcastic and unwilling to discuss the issue after injecting yourself into the conversation?

 

[sam_gordon]

Why would Disney not be looking for your bags? From point of view of the guys who pick up bags with yellow tags, it's all the same. They wouldn't care (or have any way of knowing) that any bag belongs to a person that plans on walking past a DME bus instead of getting on it. And any bag with a tag is in the system already...they are expecting it regardless of what action the owner of that bag takes once they get off the plane. As far as who to blame when a bag gets lost, that "pass the buck" scenario would occur either way...if you chose to get on a DME bus or get in a cab, or walk, or rent a car. Everyone putting a yellow tag on their bag takes the risk that...somewhere...their bag gets lost and they don't know in which system the bag has been lost.

A couple logic fails...
"Any bag with a tag is in the system". Um, no. The TAGS may be in the system, but there's no way of knowing whether the tags have been attached to a bag. So, NO, Disney (DME) is NOT "expecting" or "looking" for every tag to come through. If someone got sent the luggage tag, they just do carry on only and leave the tag at home, you think Disney is LOOKING for that bag?

Now, granted, the person who used carry on only (no yellow tags needed), checks in at DME and say "no, I didn't use the tags", Disney knows that tag isn't used. . Whereas, since you're not checking in at DME, Disney doesn't know whether you used the tag or not. If the airline misdirects it, who notifies the airline?

Also, airlines keep good track of where bags are. The bags may not be in the right place, but they'll know where they are.I'm fairly confident DME (luggage division) works similar. So unless a bag truly "fell off the truck" between when the airline scans the bag as delivered at MCO and when DME scans it as received in their system, you DO know who to "blame".

What I don't know is if a bag is destined to MCO, but ends up at Montes Claros, Brazil (MOC), what does the airline do if they aren't notified about the bag? Do they still send to MCO? Do they send to the originating airport?

 

[Jestocost]

Which question? And how did it get answered? Why are you so sarcastic and unwilling to discuss the issue after injecting yourself into the conversation?

It's beyond clear that discussion with you is pointless unless one enjoys playing endless semantic games. You have made my point several times over and I will leave it at that.

 

[vacationclub]

A couple logic fails...
"Any bag with a tag is in the system". Um, no. The TAGS may be in the system, but there's no way of knowing whether the tags have been attached to a bag. So, NO, Disney (DME) is NOT "expecting" or "looking" for every tag to come through. If someone got sent the luggage tag, they just do carry on only and leave the tag at home, you think Disney is LOOKING for that bag?

No, I don't, that's why I challenged the person who talked about "what happens when Disney doesn't know to be looking for your bags". My response was that they are simply looking for yellow tags, which have been issued by Disney and thus in their system. Please read other posts besides mine so you can understand the context of the conversation. I also don't believe there is any "looking for a specific bag" , only yellow tags, but Jetcoast" used that logic as a reason for not using DME in the way Disney intends you to. I simply said it makes no difference to DME either way, they simply look for yellow tags.

Now, granted, the person who used carry on only (no yellow tags needed), checks in at DME and say "no, I didn't use the tags", Disney knows that tag isn't used. . Whereas, since you're not checking in at DME, Disney doesn't know whether you used the tag or not. If the airline misdirects it, who notifies the airline?

Ah, now I see what you're saying. There would be a delay if looking for a bag because since you didn't confirm that the tag is in service, they wouldn't be worried if it didn't ever show up.

What I don't know is if a bag is destined to MCO, but ends up at Montes Claros, Brazil (MOC), what does the airline do if they aren't notified about the bag? Do they still send to MCO? Do they send to the originating airport?

That's a little off topic, but I think they always send the bag where it was supposed to go...where the owner of the bag traveled to.

It's beyond clear that discussion with you is pointless unless one enjoys playing endless semantic games. You have made my point several times over and I will leave it at that.

How is it beyond clear? Semantics about what? Why can't you defend anything you say? You responded to one post I made then I asked you questions about that post. You've resorted to these games after one single post? What point were you making?... other than you pulled out the dictionary before posting in an effort to belittle others as way to seem more correct than they are? If that was the point, you made it loud and clear. Perhaps you could just go back to answering basic questions about your sarcasm laced posts....or, forget it...Sam Gordon cleared up the issue for you.

 

[seashoreCM]

If you don't follow the Magical Express instructions and some baggage is lost by the airline, you will have to resolve the issue with the airline. This may mean going back to the airport.

For DME guests, the bus is treated as a connecting flight by Disney.

If a last minute change in plans requires that you go to Disney via some other mode of transport but you used the yellow DME tags, you need to go to the welcoming area to explain things and get additional instructions (which may vary by time of day and how busy things are).

More on the subject of Magical Express baggage only:
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2015788

 

[vacationclub]

If you don't follow the Magical Express instructions and some baggage is lost by the airline, you will have to resolve the issue with the airline. This may mean going back to the airport.

If a last minute change in plans requires that you go to Disney via some other mode of transport but you used the yellow DME tags, you need to go to the welcoming area to explain things and get additional instructions.

Do you know what those additional instructions would be? Would they tell you to wait around for Disney to find your luggage or would they simply make a note of it and tell you that the luggage will be in the room?

 

[seashoreCM]

Do you know what those additional instructions would be? Would they tell you to wait around for Disney to find your luggage or would they simply make a note of it and tell you that the luggage will be in the room?

The degenerate case would be the second case you describe. But I have never done it or witnessed it so I don't know for sure.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I'm not grasping at any straws. I'm pointing out the RAC and the luggage portion of DME, while TECHNICALLY may be operated by different companies...are the EXACT SAME SERVICE in that they take care of transport of your luggage to OR from MCO and Disney. They may even share the same trucks with back hauling.

They perform the exact same service, just in opposite directions,

It's even clearer now that you have absolutely no concept of how either service operates, what each "is", or technically.

Any individual opting not to investigate or comprehend all the conditions of a service being engaged, then attempting to blame the service for the individual's interpretation, is being disingenuous. Or worse.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Do you know what those additional instructions would be? Would they tell you to wait around for Disney to find your luggage or would they simply make a note of it and tell you that the luggage will be in the room?

There haven't been any reports on the DIS of guests arriving at MCO via some mode of transportation other than airplane while their yellow-tagged luggage was, indeed, flown in.

 

[maxiesmom]

I'm not grasping at any straws. I'm pointing out the RAC and the luggage portion of DME, while TECHNICALLY may be operated by different companies...are the EXACT SAME SERVICE in that they take care of transport of your luggage to OR from MCO and Disney. They may even share the same trucks with back hauling.

RAC and DME are not the same service, and I would hate for anyone who is lurking on this board to think they are. DME takes you (and if you place the yellow tags on them your bags) to your resort from MCO. RAC is checking in for your flight home at your resort. You don't have to check bags to use RAC, but you can if you so choose.

 

[seashoreCM]

A fundamental rule is that if you leave the airport at your destination without claiming your bags, you have technically abandoned your bags.

While DME acts as a courier service and quite reliably snaps up any yellow tagged bags arriving into Orlando, there is still a crack into which you (your bags) can fall "between", i.e. if DME for some reason fails to receive a bag. That is, DME does not own the problem unless it has indeed received the bag.

Disney invented its own exception, treating its Magical Express bus as a connecting flight.

Going the other way, back to the airport, the Resort Airline Check-in is part of the airline baggage handling process. After your bag is accepted at the resort, any claim is done at your destination airport (near home). Any claim is between you and your last airline; it owns the problem and it must deal with RAC if applicable.

OT: For those arriving late in the evening, staying at the in-airport Hyatt hotel, and taking Magical Express to the resort on check in day (that next morning) the Hyatt may still have the service whereby they take your bags down to the DME baggage handling. However DME does not own the problem if the bags somehow don't get "to the courier", into the DME system.

Remove the yellow tags before going home; the tags are not used during that process. If they do use the same baggage trucks to take bags back to the airport and a homebound yellow tagged bag got forgotten, it'll go right back to the resorts for Disney-bound processing.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Your misusing the system. Plan an simple. They are paying someone to pick up your luggage. Wait for your luggage then get your rental. Why you even would suggest to have Disney get your luggage and then not ride the bus just sounds like you are using the system. This will be like fast pass soon....

 

[goofy4tink]

It isn't a stretch as in Disney may say neither is allowed, but doesn't do anything to the people who participate in either act. That is all I was saying.

However to most people knowing something is not allowed is reason enough not to do that thing. They don't need to be forced into proper behavior.

To the letter of the law Disney states you can't use DME just to transfer your luggage. Could you get away with it, yes, but that is not the same as it being allowed or advocated. DME is not a baggage pick up service.

On a side note, I wonder where Mom is tonight? The fact that she hasn't been along to scold us in her not so mean way for even discussing this is a bit surprising.

Mom was trying to read Fifty Shades of Grey, thank you all very much!! And now?? Trying to book BoG!

Yes but most people would know that cutting in line is wrong without Disney making a rule about it. But people would not have any natural reason to know this luggage issue is "wrong" otherwise people like me wouldn't be doing it and people, like the op wouldn't be asking about it.
actually DME is a luggage pick service, as well as a people pick up service. And, it (Disney) has a related service (RAC) that does the exact same thing on the way back TO the airport with no fine print. You don't need to take the bus to use RAC so many people might assume it's the same way in the opposite direction.

Not sure who mom is but we're not discussing any methods to get around a Disney rule. We're discussing what happens IF you simply ignore the not-so-well-known rule. And what happens appears to be nothing

Why would Disney not be looking for your bags? From point of view of the guys who pick up bags with yellow tags, it's all the same. They wouldn't care (or have any way of knowing) that any bag belongs to a person that plans on walking past a DME bus instead of getting on it. And any bag with a tag is in the system already...they are expecting it regardless of what action the owner of that bag takes once they get off the plane. As far as who to blame when a bag gets lost, that "pass the buck" scenario would occur either way...if you chose to get on a DME bus or get in a cab, or walk, or rent a car. Everyone putting a yellow tag on their bag takes the risk that...somewhere...their bag gets lost and they don't know in which system the bag has been lost.



Who are you speaking to here with such sarcasm, and what does this mean? Resolving what problems?

Here's the deal. If you tag 4 bags, and then head to DME area, most of the time you are asked how many bags you have checked. The CM then imputs that into the system. You then go get on your bus and off you go. If the bags are now collected, and scanned, and the system shows that only 3 bags have been scanned for your reservation number, DME will start a search for the missing bag.
So..alternative scenario..you tag your 4 bags, arrive at MCO, then get your rental car and head off to your resort. DME now has no idea who many bags are associated with your reservation number, so when one goes missing??? Well, it stays missing. No one knows that you checked 4 bags. So, you now get to your resort, then head out to a park. You return to your room, anticipating being able to get all unpacked and settled. BUT...you find 3 bags sitting there! Where's bag number 4??? Well, it's now been over 5 or 6 hrs since your arrival at MCO. The time to file a missing bag report has come and gone!! And the airline and DME will now start bickering as to who's fault it is and who is responsible for the bag.
Does this happen often? No, but it has happened!!!
As Disney says on the official DME site....you may not book luggage service only. I guess it's a question of semantics.

And as for bringing your luggage to the bus??? Personally, I have more of an issue with this..it bogs down the system. But there are legitimate reasons for it....the guest arrived the day before, but their WDW reservation doesn't start until the following day, the guest gets dropped off at MCO, perhaps it's an international flight.

DME and RAC are not the same thing. Yes, they use the same luggage trucks...so what??? If everyone who was riding the DME bus was able to use RAC, then sure, it's the same thing. But, that's not the case. Add to that the fact that you don't even have to ride the bus to use RAC??? Nope, different entities.

 

[vacationclub]

The degenerate case would be the second case you describe. But I have never done it or witnessed it so I don't know for sure.

OK, well this is key, because it gets to the heart of the matter. Because if you can simply inform Disney that you decided not to ride the bus (for whatever reason), and they will simply make a note of it, then that sort of solves any problems.

It's even clearer now that you have absolutely no concept of how either service operates, what each "is", or technically.

Any individual opting not to investigate or comprehend all the conditions of a service being engaged, then attempting to blame the service for the individual's interpretation, is being disingenuous. Or worse.

Wow, now you have joined the "it's even clearer" club. Must be a trendy saying or something.

Just to show how flat wrong you are.....Here is how both systems work.

When you travel to Disney, you sign up for DME. They ask your flight info. They send you a packet with bus boarding and yellow tags for each person. You tag your checked luggage. You bring it to the airport and check it...the next time you see it is in your room at Disney.

When it arrives at MCO, people (not exactly sure who) pull ALL yellow tagged luggage before it hits a carousel. If you go to a carousel looking for yellow tagged luggage it won't be there. You (normally) would proceed to the lower lower (B-side I think, I always have to check) and find the DME counter, walk to an agent, tell them you've arrived. They send you to a line, they check your paperwork, you get in the right line for your resort. You get on a bus, they deliver you to the resort.

You luggage after being pulled pre-carousel, is sorted via it's bar code, and eventually shows up in your room.

When returning, you can use DME again by registering. You show up when they tell you, based on the paper under your door the day before, which always has a time about 3 hours prior to your flight. Separately, you can check in your luggage at the resort. They tag it just like an airline would and then next time you see it is at home airport. Then you get to the bus stop at the appropriate time, ride to MCO, (with our without your checked luggage depending on if you used RAC). You get home and your luggage is there. Although the return combo of DME and RAC are doing essentially the same thing in reverse (bring your luggage and you back seperately) Disney doesn't tie the two services together. You can use RAC (bag delivery service) regardless of your use of DME, it's only coming in that they make this note that you should use them together, for the marketing reasons I noted up thread. But once at the resort, and going home, they really have no business reason to tie to the services. You can use either, neither, or both.

So, did I miss anything. Because for some reason, even though I've used both services mulitiple times for years and was able to give you a thorough and detailed explanation....you seem to believe I have no concept at all what either service is or how it operates. It is still clear?

 

[goofy4tink]

OK, well this is key, because it gets to the heart of the matter. Because if you can simply inform Disney that you decided not to ride the bus (for whatever reason), and they will simply make a note of it, then that sort of solves any problems.



Wow, now you have joined the "it's even clearer" club. Must be a trendy saying or something.

Just to show how flat wrong you are.....Here is how both systems work.

When you travel to Disney, you sign up for DME. They ask your flight info. They send you a packet with bus boarding and yellow tags for each person. You tag your checked luggage. You bring it to the airport and check it...the next time you see it is in your room at Disney.

When it arrives at MCO, people (not exactly sure who) pull ALL yellow tagged luggage before it hits a carousel. If you go to a carousel looking for yellow tagged luggage it won't be there. You (normally) would proceed to the lower lower (B-side I think, I always have to check) and find the DME counter, walk to an agent, tell them you've arrived. They send you to a line, they check your paperwork, you get in the right line for your resort. You get on a bus, they deliver you to the resort.

You luggage after being pulled pre-carousel, is sorted via it's bar code, and eventually shows up in your room.

When returning, you can use DME again by registering. You show up when they tell you, based on the paper under your door the day before, which always has a time about 3 hours prior to your flight. Separately, you can check in your luggage at the resort. They tag it just like an airline would and then next time you see it is at home airport. Then you get to the bus stop at the appropriate time, ride to MCO, (with our without your checked luggage depending on if you used RAC). You get home and your luggage is there.

So, did I miss anything. Because for some reason, even though I've used both services mulitiple times for years and was able to give you a thorough and detailed explanation....you seem to believe I have no concept at all what either service is or how it operates. It is still clear?

Yep, missed 'what happens if the airline misdirects a piece of luggage and DME has no idea how many bags are supposed to be there'.