Disney 4th wish class ship

[JM_97]

After the 5th Wish ship DCL is having 3 smaller ships (larger than the Magic but smaller than the Dream).

By 2031 we will have 2 Magic class ships, 2 Dream class ship, 5 Wish class ship, 1 Adventure class ships and then 3 of these new mid sized ships

I'm interested in what the new "smaller" ships will have and look like. And if they are earmarked to eventually replace the Magic/Wonder since I think those days are sooner rather than later.

 

[OKW Lover]

And if they are earmarked to eventually replace the Magic/Wonder since I think those days are sooner rather than later.

I'm thinking that DCL will reposition the Magic/Wonder to the smaller markets. They are probably all paid off by now so they only need to recoup their operating costs. They can do that from home ports with less demand and stop at places that don't get as much traffic.

 

[cruisingtheseas]

I'm thinking that DCL will reposition the Magic/Wonder to the smaller markets. They are probably all paid off by now so they only need to recoup their operating costs. They can do that from home ports with less demand and stop at places that don't get as much traffic.

Once the new Meridan class is up and going, the Magic/Wonders days are counting down. They are becoming more and more expensive to operate and upkeep.

 

[Cfabar1]

I think the bigger issue for the Magic and Wonder is where travel demand will be and how this Wish-class gamble goes. Disney will be stuck with the Wish boats for decades and between the wish and the new adventure class ships they have increased the number of beds available on DCL by a staggering number!

If demand softens on the travel market, or Disney realizes they have too much margin erosion with a larger fleet, the Magic class boats will be gone sooner than if they can charge top dollar for DCL generally. Another open question is how viable will DCL be long term in markets that are not Florida. My view is that Disney knows they are a premium product in the amusement park space and a premium product in the Cruise Line space. They have to maintain that experience, which requires large margins to be able to do successfully over time.

The intersection of these items coupled with the maintenance costs will be the retirement date for the magic and wonder.

 

[jwalk03]

I think the bigger issue for the Magic and Wonder is where travel demand will be and how this Wish-class gamble goes. Disney will be stuck with the Wish boats for decades and between the wish and the new adventure class ships they have increased the number of beds available on DCL by a staggering number!

If demand softens on the travel market, or Disney realizes they have too much margin erosion with a larger fleet, the Magic class boats will be gone sooner than if they can charge top dollar for DCL generally. Another open question is how viable will DCL be long term in markets that are not Florida. My view is that Disney knows they are a premium product in the amusement park space and a premium product in the Cruise Line space. They have to maintain that experience, which requires large margins to be able to do successfully over time.

The intersection of these items coupled with the maintenance costs will be the retirement date for the magic and wonder.

Macro economics can certainly hasten a ships demise. Look at all the ships that got retired during Covid that never came back for various lines.

 

[Kennywood]

The first spark of magic is in the air! Today we honored the maritime tradition of steel cutting, meaning construction is underway for the fourth Wish class ship. A new journey is taking shape!





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[Kennywood]

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[asgur5]

Construction is underway and still no info on name let alone theme. Pretty sure we had these by now for previous ships.

Going by the last two ships which took about 19-20 month to sail from start of build this should be sailing by around april/may 2027. The usual start date of the Europe summer sailing season. Do they debut it in Europe and have two Europe ships for the first time and then bring it across afterwards?

 

[Kerr84]

The first spark of magic is in the air! Today we honored the maritime tradition of steel cutting, meaning construction is underway for the fourth Wish class ship. A new journey is taking shape!

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My guess for the name is either Journey or Imagine based on the wording of this post.

 

[BrokeMack]

My guess for the name is either Journey or Imagine based on the wording of this post.

Then they better hang a Figment on the stern.

 

[DCLMP]

I think the bigger issue for the Magic and Wonder is where travel demand will be and how this Wish-class gamble goes. Disney will be stuck with the Wish boats for decades and between the wish and the new adventure class ships they have increased the number of beds available on DCL by a staggering number!

If demand softens on the travel market, or Disney realizes they have too much margin erosion with a larger fleet, the Magic class boats will be gone sooner than if they can charge top dollar for DCL generally. Another open question is how viable will DCL be long term in markets that are not Florida. My view is that Disney knows they are a premium product in the amusement park space and a premium product in the Cruise Line space. They have to maintain that experience, which requires large margins to be able to do successfully over time.

The intersection of these items coupled with the maintenance costs will be the retirement date for the magic and wonder.

Cruise lines generally put their old ships on the best itinerary's. NCL, Princess, Royal etc do some fantastic itineraries in Europe, Asia, and South America with ships that are as old as the Magic. They are also offer great prices on these cruises. Sometimes itinerary is everything and the ship is just a floating train taking you to the next destination.

I'm guessing Disney doesn't have the customer base to do that, but honestly if they didn't price their cruises 3x over the competition they would probably sell. Experienced cruisers are always looking for great itinerary's.

The big shiny ships with all the bells and whistles are usually ported in Florida. Sometimes they move them to Europe to do the run of mill Med cruises. Disney biggest challenge will be the competition in the family market. These new ships offer a lot for kids.

 

[1lilspark]

Then they better hang a Figment on the stern.

Bing bong on the stern figment & dreamfinder in the atrium

 

[holula]

Construction is underway and still no info on name let alone theme. Pretty sure we had these by now for previous ships.

Going by the last two ships which took about 19-20 month to sail from start of build this should be sailing by around april/may 2027. The usual start date of the Europe summer sailing season. Do they debut it in Europe and have two Europe ships for the first time and then bring it across afterwards?

I thought April/May too at first but normally they are around a two year build time so I’m expecting August 2027.

Steel cutting for Wish 4 was on August 8th 2025. Steel cutting for the Destiny was November 8th 2023 and her maiden is November 2025. The Treasure follows a similar pattern.

Historically they do their maiden voyage from the US.

 

[asgur5]

I thought April/May too at first but normally they are around a two year build time so I’m expecting August 2027.

Steel cutting for Wish 4 was on August 8th 2025. Steel cutting for the Destiny was November 8th 2023 and her maiden is November 2025. The Treasure follows a similar pattern.

Historically they do their maiden voyage from the US.

Your right its a little longer then i thought. Treasure was around 22-23 months which would put it around june 2027. August if it was a bit longer then the Treasure.