Discovery Cove or Anguilla Dolphin Swim

dtuleya

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We'll be cruising on the Magic the week after Thanksgiving. I desperately want to book a dolphin swim. I was going to book the Anguilla Dolphin swim on the Eastern cruise, but now I'm wondering if we shouldn't head down a day or so before (maybe the Wednesday before Thanksgiving) go to Discovery Cove and then head to Sea World the Friday after Thanksgiving. Discovery Cove is a little more $$, but we've never been to Sea World and I understand that the price of admission is included in the Discovery Cove admission. Any opinions?
 
And my friend did Discovery Cove.
I think there is no comparision. First off in Anguilla you do the swim overlooking the caribbean sea, it is breath taking! Discovery Cove is very commercial and part of a huge theme park. Dolphin Fantaseas is a uncommercial isolated "cove". The trainers love the dolphins (although I am sure the trainers at Disc. Cove love thiers too) But what I mean is there is a true fondness you see when they interact. They tell you so much about them, things I never would hae thought. (like a killer whale is REALLY a dolphin) At Anguilla they have a dolphin that just turned one, it is still nursing and you get to see mom's mamory glands, very cool. In Anguilla you see another culture, there are three times the amount of goats on the island than people for instance. Discovery Cove trys to create the illusion of a caribbean dolphin retreat, Dolphin Fantaseas IS in actuality a caribbean dolphin retreat.
As for photos, my friend spent close to $200.00 for hers, we were able to buy ours on CD and print up all the sizes we wanted for only $40.00. At Disc. Cove you must wear a wet suit as the water is cold. At Dolphin fantaseas you only need the life jacket. And lastly Dolphin Fantaseas has meads bay. It was by far the most beautiful beach I have ever seen. Yes Discovery Cove has sea world but you can go there any time.
Do I sound biased? Yup! It was the best excursion I ever did, and my friend that went to Discovery Cove was quite jelouse, lastly hers cost more money and ours even included lunch. (although we got there too late and most of the food was gone.)
 
Discovery Cove does include lunch...

There is a link on the DIS board for Discovery Cove, and you may want to check out other views through some of the posts on that message board.
 
Ann - there's been recent reports of the tanks and surrounding area as being very filthy. What was your experience with this?
 

We are considering DC too, and would love to hear others reviews that have done it.

DJ
 
An alternate opinion:

Discovery Cove was one of the single most enjoyable days of my life.

First, I would not consider the statement that DC is "very commercial and part of a huge theme park" as accurate. DC and SeaWorld are near each other, but not connected. The "feel" of DC is much closer to that of a day spa than of a theme park, in my opinion.

Next, the dolphin swim is only part of your day at DC, and I would enjoy a day there even without the swim. There is also the coral reef, where you can snorkle, the ray lagoon, the aviary, and my personal favorite, the tropical river, which is a great way to relax.

As mentioned above, lunch is included, and admission to SeaWorld for 7 days is also included. (Plus, dolphin-friendly sunscreen)

We got our photos on a CD, which was great, since I much prefer having the original digital photos that I can reprint at any time.

You do not need to wear a wetsuit, just a wetsuit-like vest when you are in the water. Some people prefer to have the wetsuit, since they keep the water at a temperature that is best suited for the dolphins, but the tropical river is warm, since there are no fish in it.

OK, here's where I really shock you...
If I had to choose between a day at DC without the dolphin swim and a day at Castaway Cay... I would choose DC in a heartbeat.
 
Rick, I have to agree with you on all your points about DC. I have been there twice, and hopefully i will be able to go again sometime.
 
I had the same thoughts but after long consideration I chose Discovery Cove after reading the DIS boards regarding them. We are going to be there Thanksgiving Day and I can't wait!
 
Ann and I have had this same poted discussion before, and she had helped me decide that Anguilla would be wonderful, however i too recently read th ethread where they talked about murky water etc. And I previously had concerns about being held "captive" on the island for seven hours! I, unfortunately, now believe, especially after visiting DC's website, that we will be flying down a day early and Discovery Cove will be the destination for us. Besides, thatgives be more time to shop/explore all of St Maarten. Sorry to sell out on you Ann, but you are the only person who has been completely pro anguilla, most others sound as though they are on the fence...
 
Here's another vote for Discovery Cove. We spent the entire day there and had a great time. We only wore the vest and had no problems with the water temp. When my DD is old enough, we will definitely be doing DC again. That was the best part of the whole trip!

Reneé
 
Thank you SO much everyone! We are making reservatoins for our excursions tomorrow and we have been torn between doing a Dolphin thing on the cruise or going to Discovery Cove. This thread was a big help to us.

Thanks again for your help!
DJ
 
I still stand by Anguilla as a wonderful wonderful day and NO on our visit the water was not murky in the least, I have tons of photos I took and it was clear and clean. That said maybe I lucked out I don't know but I sure would go there again. I personally have nothing against Discovery Cove and heck if people want to go there I think they should.
 
After still not being able to make up my mind about DC vs. Dolphin Fantaseas, I did another search. Here's an article that I found. Gives me lots to think about. http://www.dolphinproject.org/?pageid=22276

Who and What is Dolphin Fantaseas -- a general overview



By Helene O'Barry, September 2002



Dolphin Fantaseas is an Anguilla-based company that was founded in 1998 under the name Dolphin Lagoon Inc. Apparently the name was changed when the owner -- Graham Simpson -- realized that the concrete holding tank would not pass as a real lagoon. The company is geared up to broker captive dolphin for other facilities in the Caribbean and, in January 2001, received six wild-caught Cuban dolphins to accomplish this goal.



When Dolphin Lagoon changed its name to Dolphin Fantaseas, four “marine mammal experts” were hired. According to Chris Heslop - - public relations spokesperson of Dolphin Fantaseas -- the marine mammal experts are from the United States and have worked at captivity facilities including Sea World and Dolphin Quest.



Dolphin Quest is owned by the infamous dolphin captor Dr. Jay Sweeney. Dr. Sweeney is featured in A Fall From Freedom -- a TV Documentary produced by The Marine Mammal Fund -- and, according to information we have received, has taken part in the drive fisheries in Japan. In sereral fishing villages of Japan, dolphins are driven ashore and then hacked to death by fisherman. The world was shocked by the TV footage showing the entire bay red with blood as the dolphins were brutally massacred. It is believed that Dr. Sweeney brokered some of the surviving dolphins for captive dolphin swim programs in Japan and other countries.



In January 2001, Dolphin Fantaseas obtained a permit to capture up to 12 dolphins annually in Antiguan waters. The permit, issued by Prime Minister Lester Bird, was given to a person named John Mezzanotte. It was granted without any population study of the wild dolphins in the area.



In May 2001, the company tried to set up a captive dolphin swim program at Prospect Reef of Tortola, British Virgin Islands, as the first step in their scheme to broker captive dolphins to some of the many hotels and resorts in the Caribbean.



For reasons unknown to us, the authorities of Tortola chose to obtain their dolphins from “Dolphins Plus,” a captive dolphin facility in the Florida Key, USA. The dolphins arrived in Tortola in September 2001.



October 26 2001 Dolphin Fantaseas sent three dolphins -- two males and a female -- to Antigua to be used in dolphin swim program in Meads Bay.



November 11 2001, Richard O’Barry was denied entrance in Antigua by the Antiguan Immigration Office. Prior to the incident, The Environmental Awareness Group (EAG) and the Antigua Barbuda Independent Tourism Promotion Corporation (ABITPC) of Antigua had arranged for Richard O’Barry to give an educational public lecture about dolphins in Antigua November 13 2001. Richard O’Barry was planning to give a slide presentation of dolphin rescue and release efforts. He was also going to address the various negative aspects of keeping dolphins in captivity. However, when he was about to board the American Airlines (AA) flight to Antigua November 11, he was pulled aside by an American Airline supervisor who informed him that AA had received information from the Immigration office in Antigua that he was not welcome in Antigua and for that reason they could not let him board the plane. The AA supervisor also told O’Barry that if he boarded another plane to Antigua he would face arrest and deportation upon arrival in Antigua. O’Barry asked if the Immigration office in Antigua had given any reason as to why he was not welcome, and the answer was no.



In December 2001, the government of Antigua sent out a news release, announcing the opening of Dolphin Fantaseas on their island.



In August 2002 we received information that Dolphin Fantaseas has gone into a joint venture with a local company in St. Lucia called Minvielle & Chastenet. They have applied for a permit to open yet another captive dolphin facility, this time in St. Lucia. If approved the (US $1 million) facility would be developed and operated by Dolphin Fantaseas. The new dolphin facility will target land and cruise ship visitors.



According to the information we have received, a permit is also being sought to capture wild dolphins in St. Lucia's territorial waters even though St. Lucia has signed and ratified the SPAW Protocol. Dolphin Fantaseas is requesting permission to capture the first 6 dolphins needed for this facility. To our knowledge, the only thing holding up this permit is whether or not the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) is approved.



As can be seen from the above, Dolphin Fantaseas poses a serious threat to the welfare of dolphins in that the company is causing an increase in the violent captures, lifelong confinement, and commercial exploitation of dolphins. As a direct result of the activities carried out by Dolphin Fantaseas, many more dolphins will be captured from the wild and brokered through the company to be exploited at the many hotels and resorts in the Caribbean.



Why is Dolphin Fantaseas seeking to create this seemingly uncontrollable spreading of captive dolphin facilities in the Caribbean?



If you look at the website of Dolphin Fantaseas you will see that their alleged main purpose is to “give people the opportunity to gain an understanding of this fascinating mammal.” I would like to comment on this statement:



The key to understanding why captivity of dolphins is wrong is understanding what dolphins are like in nature. With this in mind, please consider this:



In nature dolphins enjoy the ability to move freely. Their streamlined bodies and smooth skin enable them to gain fast speed, and bottlenose dolphins are always on the move, swimming up to 40 miles a day. They can hold their breath for as long as 20 minutes and dive to depths of more than 1,640 feet.



In captivity dolphins are restricted to the size of their tank or enclosure. Deprived of expressing their natural abilities they can only swim a few feet before a wall or a fence stops them.



In nature dolphins constantly explore their ocean environment by sending out bursts of sounds of many different frequencies. With reflected sound, called echolocation or sonar, dolphins can detect elements that are invisible for animals that are sight oriented, depending on reflected light for vision. The use of sonar is as important to dolphins as eyesight to humans. Dolphins rely on sonar in almost every aspect of their daily lives.



In captivity dolphins are severely restricted in using their sonar. They can't use it to catch live fish as they are fed dead fish as food rewards. They can’t put it to full use to explore their underwater world because there isn't much to explore in a barren, concrete tank or a small cage in the sea. They certainly can’t use it to navigate, because they aren’t going anywhere. Sensory deprivation is one of the most damaging aspects of keeping dolphins in captivity.



In nature most dolphins spend their entire lives in the company of dolphins of their own kind, living in groups known as pods. Some pods consist of females and their offspring; others of young males who -- when they reach maturity -- leave their mother’s pod to form their own. Dolphins are intelligent and social animals. Belonging to a pod is important to them because this is where they find safety, love, and companionship.



In captivity dolphins are forever separated from the pod they naturally belong to. Instead, they are forced to live in an artificial “pod,” designed by humans for commercial reasons. During the capture, the strong social bonds that the dolphins have enjoyed and nurtured for years are abruptly and permanently destroyed.



The word "capture" clashes with the superficial surroundings of the captive dolphin swim program, and it is therefore understandable that Dolphin Fantaseas doesn’t give the public the details about how their dolphins ended up in captivity. The truth is, the capture of dolphins is an extremely violent procedure. Different capture methods are used for different species of dolphins. One of the methods used to capture bottlenose dolphins -- the species that Dolphin Fantaseas uses -- is this: Pods of dolphins are chased to exhaustion, surrounded with a net and dragged onto the boat where the capture team searches through the terrified group for the specimen they want. The lucky ones are thrown overboard. Those selected are taken ashore. They will never see their ocean world and their pod again. In some incidents, dolphins have been separated from their calves, regardless of the fact that a bottlenose dolphin normally protects and remains with her calf for about five years. During this time they nurture a relationship characterized by profound affection. The violent and permanent separation no doubt represents a traumatic experience for both mother and calf, and it is hardly surprising that dolphins have died from capture shock.



In an article published in the St. Lucia Star September 25 2002, Dolphin Fantaseas boats that their company is “run by a group of people that have in excess of 80 years combined experience handling and caring for marine mammals.“ This statement is laughable at best. Dolphins, in comparison, have evolved over more than 50 million years! Having adapted perfectly to their vast marine environment, they hardly need to be captured, “cared for,” and trained in how to be dolphins by so-called “experienced” staff members of Dolphin Fantaseas. On the contrary, the dolphin “care” that Dolphin Fantaseas can provide consists of a brutal capture, lifelong confinement, and hours of training in abnormal behaviors. These three aspects of dolphin captivity clearly violate a dolphin’s most fundamental behavioral requirements. The dolphins held captive by Dolphin Fantaseas will never swim in a straight line for as long as they desire; nor will they ever be able to use their speed, intelligence, sonar, and sense of cooperation to catch live fish. They will never again experience what it means to be a real dolphin, in a dolphin's real world -- the open sea. By human design these free-ranging and complex marine mammals will be confined to a very small space where, for the rest of their lives, they will have to satisfy a never-ending line of tourists demanding a close-up encounter with an exotic animal.



Is this cruel? Of course it is. Yet Dolphin Fantaseas will have you believe that what they are doing to the dolphins is right. They will even go as far as to say that, guess what, they are capturing and confining dolphins to teach you, the consumer, respect for nature! That is the height of hypocrisy that the dolphin captivity industry is based upon. Sadly, many people buy into the deception, and that’s what nourishes the profits made from dolphin captivity: The commercial success of the captive dolphin industry is a classic example of the greedy praying on the ignorant.



In order to justify the commercial exploitation of dolphins, Dolphin Fantaseas argues that life in the sea is so stressful for dolphins; they are far better off being captured and used in dolphin shows and swim programs. “If you are a dolphin you don’t know where your next meal will come from; when you are going to run into a hungry shark or killer whale; where the next drift net is or what pollutants humans have dumped into the ocean,” they say. That’s like saying a human being would be better off never leaving his house out of fear of being hit by a car. But living is doing things. It is expressing who and what you are by living in accordance with your true nature and, in doing so, letting all of your natural skills unfold. For a dolphin, this means chasing fish, surfing, diving deep, navigating, foraging, socializing with pod members, and moving in a straight line mile after mile.



Yes, we need to stop polluting the oceans. We need to stop drift-netting and over-fishing. And we need to stop capturing, exploiting, and killing dolphins for casual amusement. To add to the destruction of nature by capturing dolphins is not going to solve any of our environmental problems. The contrary is true: It enforces the widespread misconception that nature and its inhabitants exist for humans to make use of as we please. Captive dolphin swim programs only serve to perpetuate our utilitarian perception of nature.



Despite all the obvious reasons why dolphins don’t belong in captivity -- reasons that Dolphin Fantaseas (in the St. Lucia Star September 25) interestingly enough simply dismisses as “a variety of personal reasons” -- the company, on their website, goes on to say about dolphins that they are “powerful ambassadors of their species, and we are obligated to safeguard their natural sea-lifestyles.” Yes, that’s precisely what they say: “we are obligated to safeguard their natural sea-lifestyles.” And this statement comes from a company that makes its living doing the exact opposite! Their business is based on capturing dolphins from the wild, separating them from their pod members and their natural environment; in other words, it is based on permanently destroying the dolphins’ natural sea-lifestyles. This is yet another example of how the captive dolphin industry supplies the public with information that one must suspect was designed to mislead rather than educate.



In the St. Lucia Star, Dolphin Fantaseas makes a big point out of emphasizing that there is a lot of tourist dollars to be made from captive dolphins. Personally, I have no doubts that when it comes to calculating the desired profits made from charging people to swim with captive dolphins, Dolphin Fantaseas know what they are talking about. After all, that’s what the trade in dolphins is all about: Money. There is nothing new going on here: In the name of profit, human mankind has despoiled the Earth of many priceless treasures. Some people work to help nature get back on its feet. Others keep depleting nature of treasures that are not rightfully theirs, and so, according to information we have received, the Government of Antigua has granted Dolphin Fantaseas permission to capture up to 12 dolphins annually in Antiguan waters. To claim that these captures serve the noble purpose of teaching our children respect for nature is preposterous. It is nothing more than propaganda used to sanitize the commercial exploitation of these animals. The dolphins to be captured, confined, and used by Dolphin Fantaseas are not ambassadors. They are victims. Now, we all want to make a living -- but please, not like this.



Like any other business, the billion-dollar dolphin trade is based on supply and demand. As long as there is a paying audience to sustain the profits of the dolphin captivity industry, dolphins will be captured from the wild and captive dolphin breeding programs will be intensified. Ultimately, the consumers are the dolphins' only hope. As a consumer, you can help abolish dolphin shows, dolphin swim programs, and other forms of dolphin exploitation. It's easy: Don’t buy a ticket.
 
Wow, that was quite an article!

I wonder why the writer chose to focus on Dolphin Fantaseas, and not on swim-with-dolphins places in general. It makes me wonder if the writer has a specific undisclosed issue with the Dolphin Fantaseas organization.

As biased as it was specifically anti-Dolphin Fantaseas, the article did, however, make me feel sorry for the captive dolphins. I am (was??) planning on booking this excursion, but now I don't know. I thought it would be a wonderful experience for us, and I thought the dolphins would like it, too. I guess I never thought of them as being captive, but as happy creatures that love human interaction. But now I don't know what to do.
 
We went to DC in Aug 03. It was a full day affair, lunch included, and a one-half hour group interaction with a dolphin and two trainers. According to the trainers, the dolphins get to choose whether or not they want to go into the area for interaction; there are enough dophins that they can take turns. My sister had previously gone on a trip in Mexico, and she said that they probably didn't have as many regulations there. She was able to ride standing on the dolphins there. At DC you just held on a fin for a short ride. It was a fasinating experience for me. The best thing was the ray pool at feeding time. They swim right up to you looking for handouts! They also have a snorkling area and a really nice lagoon and lazy river. It included a seven day pass to Sea World, which we only used for two days.

I would definitely reccomend trying it as it was not just a quick stop, but an entire day experience. Sure, it was expensive, but I made it a Christmas present, and we have also learned that you need to experience things when you have a chance, because you never know what life is going to throw at you.
 

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