Disaster at Disney

mrdubleyou

Earning My Ears
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For years my family and I have enjoyed annual visits to Disneyland and I cannot recall one single time that we had an unenjoyable time. We've weathered the crowds, the rain, the cold and the heat. What we hadn't been through before happened on the weekend of December 9, 2005.

We drove from Northern California to Disneyland, which for us was just under 370 miles. Wife and 2 kids (ages 9 and 11). We were all excited about visiting the park again for Xmas. Naturally we expected the crowds. Knowing this, we arrived in the park at 8:15 am on saturday morning December 10, and hit as many popular rides as we could. Since we knew this would be a long day (park hours were 8am - midnight), we (like many families) do, decided to exit the park and do a bit of shopping, eating and looking around Downtown Disney. We left the park at 1:30pm. We also decided to head back to our room for a bit. We got our hands stamped at the exit and had full intentions of returning to the park later.

We returned to the maingate plaza around 6:15pm and were met with the sight of HUNDREDS of angry parkgoers. It seemed that both Disneyland and C.A. were closed because they had each reached capacity. There were throngs of angry people who like us had had their hands stamped and felt that we should have been allowed reentry. Many of those people (just like us) exited the park without being told that if we left the park, there was a chance that we wouldn't be allowed back into the park.

I flagged down a supervisor, who was kind enough to explain what was happening to me and many others who'd gathered around. According to him, ticket sales ceased at 1pm because they KNEW the parks were going to reach capacity. My statement to him (along with others who'd left the park long after we did) was why were people not being informed that the park was closed before they exited?? His answer...."No idea". Naturally, we headed to Guest Services.

Now what I saw there, is something I never thought I would see in a Disney Park, nor will it be something I ever forget. It was complete chaos. I got into line behind nearly 25 other people. Nearly each person that went to the window were either demanding to be let into the park, wanting answers as to why they were not informed of the no re-entry policy before they exited the park, or wanted refunds. Many people in line stated that they were separated from other members of their group who were still inside the park. One frantic mother cried, scream, and completely lost her composure, when she was denied entry to the park. It seemed that her daughter was in the park as part of a dance group. Mom left the park to get jackets, wasn't told that she couldn't re-enter (this was AFTER the park had been closed) and then was denied entry when she tried. The Disney officials, appeared to be unrelenting in initially allowing anyone reentry or refunds.

Things came to a head when a fairly well to do looking couple both lost their tempers at the Guest Services window. I really had mixed feelings about the whole encounter. In my opinion it got completely out of hand. Young children not only saw and heard the couple lose control, but also the Disney Officials. Supervisors were called, Disney police was called, Anaheim police was called. Children were crying and the adults in line (which by this time had grown to more than 100 people booed, and yelled out their frustrations.

I really could not believe that the Disney Officials let things get this out of hand. I have an extremely difficult time in believing that the parks have never reached capacity before. I find it amazing that Disney does not have a protocol that they follow which will appease their guests. As a parent it really broke my heart to see a young girl of about 7 years old crying and pulling on her mother to leave and screaming that she never wanted to come to the park again. This is not the lasting memory that any parent would want for their child.

In response to the chaos, the Guest Services Windows were closed down. After 10 minutes or so, they reopened. Luckily I was near the front of the line at this time. I went to the window, and calmly explained my situation. First I was offered a ticket to visit C.A. I told the represenative, look at the tickets...they are park hoppers I can get in that park without your ticket. Besides...that park was closed also. Then I was offered a ticket to come back to the park anyday...AFTER 4pm. No Dice, I wasn't driving to 350+ miles again for half a day at Disney. A refund was never offered. I finally had to ask for it. Did I get it?? Yes. It seemed that Disney Officials finally rethought their positioning on refunding after having to close the windows. When I left the window, there were easily more than 150 people in line.

I got my money back for the the extra days that we did not use. We left the area the next morning and returned home. Needless to say we were all pretty disappointed. We missed all of the nighttime festivities that were being done for Christmas and the 50th Celebration. The trip was basically a bust.

My wife and I love Disney for all of the things they do right, and while we understand that while things can sometimes go wrong, this is a glaring wrong that's left a sour taste in our mouths and undoubtedly countless others. Disney needs to review their policies and procedures in this area. Guests spend hundreds of dollars planning for tickets, hotels, travel arrangements, etc. To have a vacation turn out in this fashion is appalling and it is events like this, that could cause other Disney lovers like ourselves to begin spending their vacations elsewhere.
 
That is such an awful experience. I am sorry you experienced this. A valuable lesson for our group. We leave on the 23rd for 5 days of Christmas Magic. Looks like we will be going in early and not leaving until the very end of the day.
 
Yikes! so sorry you & so many others experienced this, it sounds like a true fiasco.
they really should have made everyone aware of the situation when there was a possibility it might arise-
Pretty flabberghasted it took Disney such a period of time to realize they'd made a major gaff-
hoping the people in line before you--vocal or not, got refunds also
wonder who was in charge that day!
Hoping your next trip is truly magical! :sunny:

Jean
 

Sorry to hear of your experience. I keep hearing that Disneyland is so much busier with this 50 year celebration. I know they can close for capacity, but don't hear of it much except for major holidays!

I would be very frustrated also.

Jenn
 
I am so sorry this happened to you, what a huge disappointment! I had read on disboards the parks had closed that Saturday, amazing as that is considered a "slow" time of year. Although I don't think there is any such thing as a slow Saturday at Disneyland, but to close to capacity that early in December is amazing. We were there that same weekend in 2004 and crowds were much larger (but not capacity thank God) than we had expected. I also agree that Disney needs to tell guests that the park is nearing capacity and to leave at their own risk. But I am sure they were surprised at the crowds and did not anticipate this happening either. I heard on another thread of people getting in through the Grand Californian's private entrance but with those crowds you would probably need to be an onsite guest to get in via that entrance. To the OP: I hope you get to go back in the near future and have a better experience!
 
Disney did not choose to close the gates. The Fire Marshall did. And only the Fire Marshall has the power to re-open them. Screaming at Disney to open the gates won't make them open any faster.

I'm very sorry this happened to you and that you were not informed that if you left you may not be allowed back in.
 
Wow sorry to hear it got that bad. We were staying at Disneyland but missed out on all of this (thank goodness). We had been at Disneyland all day Friday including Friday night. So Saturday we slept late and then headed over to California Adventure entering through the Grand Californian. We rode some rides, stayed for Aladdin and left to browse through Downtown Disney. We went to the afternoon showing of Narnia as a nice break from the parks. Spent the next two days in Disneyland with no problems. Crowded but not crazy. We did ask on Sunday if we left was there a chance that we wouldn't get back in and was told it was possible, but we took the chance and was able to come back for the nighttime parade.
 
Sounds crazy!! So sorry to hear that your trip was a waste and the experience has dampened your spirits towards Disney slightly. I never thoguht anything like that would happen at Disney. Madness!

I did read on another Dl board a couple of weeks ago that someone went early December (probably the same day you went - it sounds pretty much the same) and tried to enter Dl but were informed that the park had filled capacity and that they would not get in. But their story was slightly diffrent - they only got there at 4pm. (I was thinking to myself - well, you dont get there late afternoon mid-holiday season and expect to get in that easily. And why even get there at 4?! Make a day of it.) Unlike you. Having spent your morning there and then being refused re-entry EVEN AFTER having your hand stamped is outrageous!!! I totaly agree with you about Disney having to review their policies and procedures. Not telling guests that they won't get back in if they leave when they know that they are going to or ALREADY HAVE filled capacity is... I have no words!!! Hope it never happens again - but of course, I'm sure it will. :confused3

Hope your next trip goes without a hitch!!! :goodvibes
 
simba_one said:
I totaly agree with you about Disney having to review their policies and procedures. Not telling guests that they won't get back in if they leave when they know that they are going to or ALREADY HAVE filled capacity is... I have no words!!! Hope it never happens again - but of course, I'm sure it will.

There are no policies for DL to review! I don't understand why people hold Disneyland accountable for choices made by the Fire Marshall.

Disneyland closes in three phases.

1st they stop selling new tickets.
2nd they stop letting first time admissions in the park (but anyone with a hand stamp can get back in).
3rd they close the gates and no matter what you can't get in.

The first two are probably suggestions of the Fire Marshall but the third is the Fire Marshalls number and decision and their decision only. Disneyland cannot do anything about it!

Yes, it is terrible that people were not informed that once they left they may not be allowed back in and that is the CMs fault. But it is NOT Disneys fault that the Fire Marshall said no one gets in until people leave.
 
I am so sorry that happened to you!! You should be told upon exiting that you will not be let in. I hope your next trip is perfect!
 
Okay, I have to ask... why so crowded on December 9th? What is so special about this weekend to attract so many people?
 
WatchinCaptKangaroo said:
There are no policies for DL to review! I don't understand why people hold Disneyland accountable for choices made by the Fire Marshall.

Disneyland closes in three phases.

1st they stop selling new tickets.
2nd they stop letting first time admissions in the park (but anyone with a hand stamp can get back in).
3rd they close the gates and no matter what you can't get in.

The first two are probably suggestions of the Fire Marshall but the third is the Fire Marshalls number and decision and their decision only. Disneyland cannot do anything about it!

Yes, it is terrible that people were not informed that once they left they may not be allowed back in and that is the CMs fault. But it is NOT Disneys fault that the Fire Marshall said no one gets in until people leave.

I wasn't complaining about the fact that the gates were closed and no one was allowed back in. I personally am saying that Disney should ensure people who leave and get their hand stamped, therefore are considering re-entering the park later on, are told that if they do leave they may not get back in.

Of course I think there should be a limit to people being let in - without a limit in place, all hell would break loose and it'd become unsafe. And I'd hate to ever see anything like that happen at the Happiest Place on Earth. I just think that it's unacceptable that people aren't even told that they might not get back in even with a hand stamp.

They may not have any control over how many people they can have in the park, but there's nothing stopping them from ensuring everyone who leaves knows that they might not get back in. On important days such as the days leading up to Christmas when families are vacationing together, etc. I guarentee that half of the people leaving would re-consider had they been told that they ight not get back in. If I was leaving but wanted to go back in but was told I may end up having to spend the evening without my family or friends or have them all come out in orderfor us to all be together, ten I would not exit the park. It's misleading. Why bother hand stamping when half of the guests won't even get the chance to show their hand and get back in?! :confused3
 
Exactly! We understand the fire marshall puts limits on # of people. But they(disney) does need to rethink the procedure of getting the information to people about the closure of gates. If they stopped selling tickets at 1 and you laft the park at 1:15 they DEFINATLY should have told you BEFORE what might be happening very soon and that you MIGHT not be allowed back in. And also for the people leaving after you. They all should have been told BEFORE they left the gates what was happening. The poor mother whose daughter was inside! I myself think I would have freeked out. Do you think they have a poliy NOT to let people know that they might not be let back in? Maybr to insure they get the highest amount af guests using their tickets that day? If my family of 5 decides to leave for lunch, then they can let in another family of 5 after we leave. If they had told us, we wouldnt have left and 5 other people might have had to use their tickets on another day.
But maybe that really doesnt matter(?) Anyway, Im so sorry that you had to experience that. And that was very good of you not to freek on the CM's as it truly isnt their fault.
 
I just keep thinking of the poor woman who left to go get jackets and wasn't allowed back in.

Seems like all they really care about is getting as many people inside the parks as possible and making as much money as possible. Once one person leaves they have spent enough so why not let another in so they can spend a bomb too?

Maybe it's just me but reading these stories it just makes me think like that. :confused:
 
The impression I got from many of these posts is that Disney should do something to ensure everyone who leaves gets to come back in. That it was Disneys fault the gates were closed. That by yelling at Disney CMs they should have let them back in.

If you read my posts you would see that I said the CMs should have told them they may not be able to re-enter. They usually do.
 
I simply do not understand Disney's reasoning in limiting re-entry to the park. If there is a time when capacity is reached, no further NEW entries should be permitted. If someone was in the park and left and wants to return, those people should already have been counted in the attendance figures and allowed to return since their return will not increase the actual attendance. It is simple - if a ticket allows re-entry when it is sold, there should not be restrictions later placed on that ticket.

If Disney is concerned that after people leave the park that more new people enter than those that left, thus causing a capacity figure to be reached, they should adjust the time they stop allowing new entries to allow the reentry of those leaving. For example, if capacity is 60,000, they should stop total new entries at a figure slightly above 60,000 (say 62,000) in order to account for those that left and will not return. If during the day 10,000 people temporarily leave the park and 8,000 later return, then the park will be at capacity (at its peak period). It looks like the way Disney now does it is that once a figure is reached (say 65,000), they simply stop allowing anyone back into the park - even those that at one time made up part of that 65,000 figure.

Based on all the days this year that capacity has been reached (I remember when it was a rarity for the park to stop admitting people), Disney really has to figure out how to accomodate those that temporarily leave with the intention of returning.
 
The above post makes a lot of sense - for single or multi day ticket holders.

But I bet we'd all be surprised to find out how many folks are in the park on comp tickets on any given day. Not sure how those work - do they do the same handstamp thing or would they need a seperate capacity policy?

And what about a policy for AP's since they don't need a hand stamp? It's easy to say no AP admissions since most are local and can come back anytime. But I know quite a few AP holders who are NOT local and only go to the parks a couple of times a year. What about them? I'm guessing they probably could find out if the AP had been used that day at the gates - but what a pain!

Then what about folks staying at the 3 DL hotels? Do they get special re-entry privileges because they're shelling out big bucks to stay on site?

Seems to me to be a tough situation all around. But one that does need a clear policy. Seems if it was posted and folks knew how it worked in advance it could save a lot of grief.

I'm sorry for what happened to the OP and others there that day. Really!
Especially for the little ones caught in the middle when adults around them went into melt-down and/or angry blow-up mode.

That said, I've been at DL when the gates were closed due to capacity crowds and it was miserable inside too! I absolutely understand the need to monitor attendance and keep things safe.
 
I feel bad for the CMs when I read about things like this.

Do throngs of angry people really think a 20 year old working for minimum wage at Guest Services really have any control over what the Fire Marshall (and the law) has decided? :confused3

It is a chance you take when you leave the park.
 
i agree it is a chance you take when you leave, but, how many of those people knew they were taking that chance? I wouldn't have known if i had not read this discussion. i only get to the parks once a year and i dont know all the rules. if i was told before leaving that i was taking that chance then its my own fault. but since nobady told me, i would have been just asd mad as others.(although wouldnt have yelled at the 20 yr old!)
 













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