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How Netflix Became the Unlikely King of Feature Animation
By poaching top talent and being willing to work with other studios, the streamer built a winning formula in just half a decade.
by Drew Taylor - December 11, 2023 @ 6:00 AM PST

Thanksgiving weekend featured an animation face-off between a titan of the industry, the 100-year-old Walt Disney Animation Studios, and a relative upstart, Netflix, which only started releasing its own animated features in 2019.

Disney's holiday movie, "Wish," was a musical extravaganza featuring the watercolor backgrounds of the studio's past combined with cutting-edge CGI, while Netflix's "Leo" was a more budget-conscious musical set in modern-day Florida.

It was a showdown of theatrical versus streaming, legacy studio versus blustery upstart, fairy tale versus contemporary storytelling. And the results were startling.

While "Wish" came in third at the box office with a disappointing $31.6 million, the Adam Sandler-starring "Leo" debuted to 34.6 million views (which is hours viewed divided by total runtime), according to Netflix, which in box office terms equaled a haul of around $500 million for its opening weekend, one insider with knowledge of the situation told TheWrap. "Leo" has been the #1 movie on Netflix for two weeks in a row.

The story of how Netflix became an animation powerhouse rivaling more established studios like Disney in just half a decade, charts back to its recruitment of top-tier talent -- it poached its first two executives from DreamWorks Animation -- and a willingness to work with outside studios on projects both recognizable and totally new to feed a consistent pipeline of new releases for Netflix subscribers.

"Netflix is becoming an animation powerhouse because they've spent the resources to hire the best available talent and give them the resources they need," said an insider who has worked on an animated feature with the streaming giant.

Melissa Cobb, who previously oversaw the development of an Asian satellite studio at DreamWorks Animation, and Gregg Taylor, who also came from DreamWorks, established Netflix's animation division in 2017. Cobb, who served as Netflix's VP for Kids and Family Feature Animation, left the company in August of 2022 to become an independent producer of animated content. Taylor remains at Netflix as VP for Animated Feature Content.

It took DreamWorks seven years to release its critical and commercial breakthrough, "Shrek." But Cobb and Taylor's team put out Netflix's first original animated feature, "Klaus," in about two years. It was directed by Sergio Pablos, a veteran of Walt Disney Feature Animation's Paris outpost who made projects like "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and "Treasure Planet." Blending traditional animation and computer-generated imagery, "Klaus" went on to win seven Annie Awards and a BAFTA and was nominated for the Oscar for Best Animated Feature.

In the years that followed, Netflix released the directorial feature debut of legendary Disney animator Glen Keane ("Over the Moon") and new animated features by Richard Linklater ("Apollo 10 ½: A Space Age Childhood") and Henry Selick ("Wendell & Wild"). The streamer also smartly rescued films orphaned during the pandemic - "The Mitchells vs. the Machines" and "Vivo," both from Sony Pictures Animation, were acquired and released on Netflix. And when Disney shut down Blue Sky, a division of 20th Century, and along with it the ambitious, LGBTQ+-themed "Nimona," Annapurna and Netflix picked it up.

This year, Netflix won the Best Animated Feature Oscar for Guillermo del Toro's visionary retelling of "Pinocchio." And last week Out Magazine named "Nimona," released this summer, the best film of 2023. "It will make your heart fly, your spirits rise, and it will leave you a better person than when you began," the magazine wrote.

Outside partners and a diversity of styles

Netflix eschewed the "house style" of other animation studios (Illumination, Pixar and Disney all have their specific aesthetics), and instead released movies across a large spectrum of styles. The studio also partnered with outside companies like Ireland's Cartoon Saloon ("My Father's Dragon"), England's Aardman Animation ("Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon" and the upcoming "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget") and Locksmith (next year's "That Christmas") to beef up its quantity of new releases.

Last year, Netflix purchased Animal Logic, the animation studio behind "The LEGO Movie" and "Happy Feet," giving the streamer an in-house studio for features developed internally ("Leo" was the second Netflix feature animated by Animal Logic).

The streamer has a deal with Nickelodeon, which will see several new "SpongeBob SquarePants" movies debut exclusively on Netflix, not Paramount+. And earlier this year, Netflix announced a partnership with Skydance Animation, the studio run by former Pixar bigwig John Lasseter. The first movie born out of the partnership, "Spellbound," is expected in 2024.

To that point, 2024 will see Netflix continue to release films made by outside companies as its output dwarfs that of its closest competitors. While Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks Animation or Illumination only release one or two films a year owing to the painstaking process of making original animated features in-house, Netflix released four in 2023 and will roll out even more in 2024.

In addition to the aforementioned "Spellbound" and "SpongeBob" features, next year Netflix's animation division also plans to release "Thelma the Unicorn," based on a book by the same author of DreamWorks' "The Bad Guys," "Orion and the Dark," a DreamWorks animated movie based on a script by Charlie Kaufman and "Ultraman: Rising," based on the classic Tsuburaya Productions character (with animation from Industrial Light & Magic).

TheWrap can also exclusively reveal that in 2024 Netflix will release "The Casagrandes Movie," based on the Nickelodeon animated series that ran from 2019 to 2022. Directed by Miguel Puga and written by Tony Gama-Lobo and Rebecca May, Lalo Alcaraz and Rosemary Contreras, the movie was produced by Nickelodeon Animation Studios Inc.

In addition to rolling out Netflix originals, the streamer has also become the go-to for consumption of licensed animation content. Several entries in the Netflix Top 10 are always animated features from other studios. Currently, "The Super Mario Bros. Movie" -- produced by Universal, Illumination and Nintendo -- is the #1 movie on the platform, and the Top 10 Kids Movies list is populated by the likes of Illumination's "Sing 2" and "Minions" and DreamWorks' "Trolls," all of which semi-permanently live in the Top 10. And before launching its own streaming service in 2019, Disney would routinely license its animated features to Netflix.

According to the company's own calculations, 60% of the 247 million Netflix households worldwide (nearly 150 million homes) watch Kids & Family content every month on Netflix. While that number includes non-animated Kids & Family content, the majority of it is animated features.

That impressive figure speaks to the ease of watching a new Netflix animated feature versus the cumbersome and expensive task of piling the kids into the minivan and buying concessions for everybody at a theater. It also makes re-watching the movies incredibly easy -- it's a balm (or bugaboo) for parents of kids who want to watch the same movie over and over again. "Leo" filmmakers Robert Marianetti and David Wachtenheim said the idea of kids being able to watch and re-watch the film was part of the appeal of making the movie at Netflix.

Even co-CEO Ted Sarandos, who had "only a passing interest" in the studio's animated output as one filmmaker told TheWrap, is taking notice. On Dec. 4, when he was asked about content he felt was under-penetrated, he brought up animated features. "It adds a ton of value," Sarandos said at UBS' Global Media and Communication Conference. "There's plenty of appetite for more than the few films a year that we're currently doing."

The Netflix chief executive added that the studio was planning to boost its animation output by "enhancing" its deal with Skydance "to put out a couple of other films per year starting next year."

Animated duds lead to layoffs

While rapid, Netflix's rise to the top of the animated heap has not been without friction.

Creative hang-ups led the studio last year to quietly cancel Pablos' follow-up to "Klaus," the hand-drawn animated feature "Ember." Budget concerns also caused Netflix to halt production on Gore Verbinski's "Cattywumpus," an outer space jazz cat movie with animation by Industrial Light & Magic. (At the time, the word was that Verbinski was shopping the project around; it has yet to find a home.) In the wake of those problems, this fall the studio laid off one third of its feature animation unit during a corporate restructuring, Cartoon Brew reported.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the layoffs were intended to streamline the feature animation division to better succeed, with a formula that combines internally produced features -- like Chris Williams' follow-up to his hugely successful "The Sea Beast" (and an original feature whose logline is being kept under wraps) -- with movies produced by the likes of Nickelodeon, Sony and Skydance.

"It's been really good and [the relationship] has been very healthy," Sam Fell, director of "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget," told TheWrap. "When Netflix came, they knew what they were getting into with Aardman - it's a British film studio that makes specifically British films."

Fell referred to the sometimes contentious relationship Aardman had with its American partners in the past. After being courted by Disney, Aardman's first studio output deal was with DreamWorks Animation. While the relationship was at first fruitful -- "Chicken Run" remains the highest grossing stop-motion animated feature of all time and "Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit" won the Best Animated Feature Oscar -- it soon soured when DreamWorks execs complained that the movies were "too British." The output deal ended prematurely, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Netflix and its far-reaching audience.

"The great thing is that Netflix is truly global," Fell continued. "They understand that things can play globally and that things can find an audience across the planet." He noted that the U.S. box office for Aardman films could be perceived as underwhelming, but the movies have a long shelf life after that initial theatrical run. That's something that Netflix also understands: The streamer is releasing "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget" 23 years after the original film came out in 2000.

And, like the relationships already established with Sony, DreamWorks and Skydance, the union of Aardman and Netflix will continue, including through a new Wallace & Gromit feature, likely due in 2025.

Instead of trying to beat its rivals with in-house productions that take years to complete, Netflix is ensuring its subscribers (and those subscribers' children) are consistently satisfied.

If the beast has to be fed, it may as well be treated to a bountiful buffet prepared by a variety of artisans.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/ne...nlikely-king-of-feature-animation/ar-AA1lklpQ

How Netflix Became the Unlikely King of Feature Animation
By poaching top talent and being willing to work with other studios, the streamer built a winning formula in just half a decade.
by Drew Taylor - December 11, 2023 @ 6:00 AM PST

Thanksgiving weekend featured an animation face-off between a titan of the industry, the 100-year-old Walt Disney Animation Studios, and a relative upstart, Netflix, which only started releasing its own animated features in 2019.

Disney's holiday movie, "Wish," was a musical extravaganza featuring the watercolor backgrounds of the studio's past combined with cutting-edge CGI, while Netflix's "Leo" was a more budget-conscious musical set in modern-day Florida.

It was a showdown of theatrical versus streaming, legacy studio versus blustery upstart, fairy tale versus contemporary storytelling. And the results were startling.

While "Wish" came in third at the box office with a disappointing $31.6 million, the Adam Sandler-starring "Leo" debuted to 34.6 million views (which is hours viewed divided by total runtime), according to Netflix, which in box office terms equaled a haul of around $500 million for its opening weekend, one insider with knowledge of the situation told TheWrap. "Leo" has been the #1 movie on Netflix for two weeks in a row.

The story of how Netflix became an animation powerhouse rivaling more established studios like Disney in just half a decade, charts back to its recruitment of top-tier talent -- it poached its first two executives from DreamWorks Animation -- and a willingness to work with outside studios on projects both recognizable and totally new to feed a consistent pipeline of new releases for Netflix subscribers.

"Netflix is becoming an animation powerhouse because they've spent the resources to hire the best available talent and give them the resources they need," said an insider who has worked on an animated feature with the streaming giant.

Melissa Cobb, who previously oversaw the development of an Asian satellite studio at DreamWorks Animation, and Gregg Taylor, who also came from DreamWorks, established Netflix's animation division in 2017. Cobb, who served as Netflix's VP for Kids and Family Feature Animation, left the company in August of 2022 to become an independent producer of animated content. Taylor remains at Netflix as VP for Animated Feature Content.

It took DreamWorks seven years to release its critical and commercial breakthrough, "Shrek." But Cobb and Taylor's team put out Netflix's first original animated feature, "Klaus," in about two years. It was directed by Sergio Pablos, a veteran of Walt Disney Feature Animation's Paris outpost who made projects like "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and "Treasure Planet." Blending traditional animation and computer-generated imagery, "Klaus" went on to win seven Annie Awards and a BAFTA and was nominated for the Oscar for Best Animated Feature.

In the years that followed, Netflix released the directorial feature debut of legendary Disney animator Glen Keane ("Over the Moon") and new animated features by Richard Linklater ("Apollo 10 ½: A Space Age Childhood") and Henry Selick ("Wendell & Wild"). The streamer also smartly rescued films orphaned during the pandemic - "The Mitchells vs. the Machines" and "Vivo," both from Sony Pictures Animation, were acquired and released on Netflix. And when Disney shut down Blue Sky, a division of 20th Century, and along with it the ambitious, LGBTQ+-themed "Nimona," Annapurna and Netflix picked it up.

This year, Netflix won the Best Animated Feature Oscar for Guillermo del Toro's visionary retelling of "Pinocchio." And last week Out Magazine named "Nimona," released this summer, the best film of 2023. "It will make your heart fly, your spirits rise, and it will leave you a better person than when you began," the magazine wrote.

Outside partners and a diversity of styles

Netflix eschewed the "house style" of other animation studios (Illumination, Pixar and Disney all have their specific aesthetics), and instead released movies across a large spectrum of styles. The studio also partnered with outside companies like Ireland's Cartoon Saloon ("My Father's Dragon"), England's Aardman Animation ("Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon" and the upcoming "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget") and Locksmith (next year's "That Christmas") to beef up its quantity of new releases.

Last year, Netflix purchased Animal Logic, the animation studio behind "The LEGO Movie" and "Happy Feet," giving the streamer an in-house studio for features developed internally ("Leo" was the second Netflix feature animated by Animal Logic).

The streamer has a deal with Nickelodeon, which will see several new "SpongeBob SquarePants" movies debut exclusively on Netflix, not Paramount+. And earlier this year, Netflix announced a partnership with Skydance Animation, the studio run by former Pixar bigwig John Lasseter. The first movie born out of the partnership, "Spellbound," is expected in 2024.

To that point, 2024 will see Netflix continue to release films made by outside companies as its output dwarfs that of its closest competitors. While Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks Animation or Illumination only release one or two films a year owing to the painstaking process of making original animated features in-house, Netflix released four in 2023 and will roll out even more in 2024.

In addition to the aforementioned "Spellbound" and "SpongeBob" features, next year Netflix's animation division also plans to release "Thelma the Unicorn," based on a book by the same author of DreamWorks' "The Bad Guys," "Orion and the Dark," a DreamWorks animated movie based on a script by Charlie Kaufman and "Ultraman: Rising," based on the classic Tsuburaya Productions character (with animation from Industrial Light & Magic).

TheWrap can also exclusively reveal that in 2024 Netflix will release "The Casagrandes Movie," based on the Nickelodeon animated series that ran from 2019 to 2022. Directed by Miguel Puga and written by Tony Gama-Lobo and Rebecca May, Lalo Alcaraz and Rosemary Contreras, the movie was produced by Nickelodeon Animation Studios Inc.

In addition to rolling out Netflix originals, the streamer has also become the go-to for consumption of licensed animation content. Several entries in the Netflix Top 10 are always animated features from other studios. Currently, "The Super Mario Bros. Movie" -- produced by Universal, Illumination and Nintendo -- is the #1 movie on the platform, and the Top 10 Kids Movies list is populated by the likes of Illumination's "Sing 2" and "Minions" and DreamWorks' "Trolls," all of which semi-permanently live in the Top 10. And before launching its own streaming service in 2019, Disney would routinely license its animated features to Netflix.

According to the company's own calculations, 60% of the 247 million Netflix households worldwide (nearly 150 million homes) watch Kids & Family content every month on Netflix. While that number includes non-animated Kids & Family content, the majority of it is animated features.

That impressive figure speaks to the ease of watching a new Netflix animated feature versus the cumbersome and expensive task of piling the kids into the minivan and buying concessions for everybody at a theater. It also makes re-watching the movies incredibly easy -- it's a balm (or bugaboo) for parents of kids who want to watch the same movie over and over again. "Leo" filmmakers Robert Marianetti and David Wachtenheim said the idea of kids being able to watch and re-watch the film was part of the appeal of making the movie at Netflix.

Even co-CEO Ted Sarandos, who had "only a passing interest" in the studio's animated output as one filmmaker told TheWrap, is taking notice. On Dec. 4, when he was asked about content he felt was under-penetrated, he brought up animated features. "It adds a ton of value," Sarandos said at UBS' Global Media and Communication Conference. "There's plenty of appetite for more than the few films a year that we're currently doing."

The Netflix chief executive added that the studio was planning to boost its animation output by "enhancing" its deal with Skydance "to put out a couple of other films per year starting next year."

Animated duds lead to layoffs

While rapid, Netflix's rise to the top of the animated heap has not been without friction.

Creative hang-ups led the studio last year to quietly cancel Pablos' follow-up to "Klaus," the hand-drawn animated feature "Ember." Budget concerns also caused Netflix to halt production on Gore Verbinski's "Cattywumpus," an outer space jazz cat movie with animation by Industrial Light & Magic. (At the time, the word was that Verbinski was shopping the project around; it has yet to find a home.) In the wake of those problems, this fall the studio laid off one third of its feature animation unit during a corporate restructuring, Cartoon Brew reported.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the layoffs were intended to streamline the feature animation division to better succeed, with a formula that combines internally produced features -- like Chris Williams' follow-up to his hugely successful "The Sea Beast" (and an original feature whose logline is being kept under wraps) -- with movies produced by the likes of Nickelodeon, Sony and Skydance.

"It's been really good and [the relationship] has been very healthy," Sam Fell, director of "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget," told TheWrap. "When Netflix came, they knew what they were getting into with Aardman - it's a British film studio that makes specifically British films."

Fell referred to the sometimes contentious relationship Aardman had with its American partners in the past. After being courted by Disney, Aardman's first studio output deal was with DreamWorks Animation. While the relationship was at first fruitful -- "Chicken Run" remains the highest grossing stop-motion animated feature of all time and "Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit" won the Best Animated Feature Oscar -- it soon soured when DreamWorks execs complained that the movies were "too British." The output deal ended prematurely, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Netflix and its far-reaching audience.

"The great thing is that Netflix is truly global," Fell continued. "They understand that things can play globally and that things can find an audience across the planet." He noted that the U.S. box office for Aardman films could be perceived as underwhelming, but the movies have a long shelf life after that initial theatrical run. That's something that Netflix also understands: The streamer is releasing "Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget" 23 years after the original film came out in 2000.

And, like the relationships already established with Sony, DreamWorks and Skydance, the union of Aardman and Netflix will continue, including through a new Wallace & Gromit feature, likely due in 2025.

Instead of trying to beat its rivals with in-house productions that take years to complete, Netflix is ensuring its subscribers (and those subscribers' children) are consistently satisfied.

If the beast has to be fed, it may as well be treated to a bountiful buffet prepared by a variety of artisans.
I am sure glad this article is comparing apples to apples... haha. Did AI write this drivel?

Drew Taylor should know better.
 
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Paramount Stock Loses Ground. Sale Could Reshape Media Landscape.
by Brian Swint 12/11/2023

Paramount stock fell on Monday after jumping Friday on a report that its parent company may be sold.

Paramount, an entertainment company with a movie studio, television channels, and streaming services, could be worth $38 if assets are sold, said Citi in a note Monday. Paramount which jumped 12% on Friday, fell 3.4% to $16.24 when the market opened Monday.

Citi came to its conclusion with a sum-of-the-parts calculation. It breaks down Paramount into four pieces—cable networks, broadcast network, production assets, and the direct-to-consumer business. It currently rates the shares a Buy with a price target of $19.

Others saw the jump in shares on Friday as a chance to sell. Loop Capital downgraded its rating on Paramount to Sell from Hold with an unchanged price target of $12. The shares have lost about 18% over the past year.

Shari Redstone, the media mogul who controls National Amusements, is in talks to sell a controlling stake to independent film studio Skydance, the New York Times reported, citing people familiar with the talks. News outlets Puck and Deadline first reported the talks Thursday. National Amusements owns 77% of Paramount voting shares, as well as CBS and MTV. The talks may not lead to a deal and the pricing wasn’t revealed in the report.

Paramount declined to comment to Barron’s on Monday. Skydance didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment outside of normal office hours.

A Paramount sale could kick-start at shake-up of movie and television studios’ ownership. The talks come as competitors Comcast, which owns NBCUniversal, and Warner Bros. Discovery, the owner of HBO and CNN, have also signaled interest in acquisitions and selloffs.

It shows the pressure media companies have come under with declining revenue from cable TV and the rise of streaming services.

Skydance is backed by RedBird Capital Partners, a private equity group. It was founded by David Ellison, the son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison.

Write to Brian Swint at brian.swint@barrons.com
 
the Adam Sandler-starring "Leo" debuted to 34.6 million views (which is hours viewed divided by total runtime), according to Netflix, which in box office terms equaled a haul of around $500 million for its opening weekend, one insider with knowledge of the situation told TheWrap.
I am sorry but how can anyone take this seriously? I think you can count the movies on 1 hand that did $500m over 5 days at the box office.

Elemental had 26.4M views its first 5 days which based on that insider formula would be $380m at the box office.

Time to ditch that 'insider' and his formula can go straight to the trash.

The major take away is that Adam Sandler is still a major major draw and Netflix made a great bet making exclusive deals with him.
 

I am sorry but how can anyone take this seriously? I think you can count the movies on 1 hand that did $500m over 5 days at the box office.

Elemental had 26.4M views its first 5 days which based on that insider formula would be $380m at the box office.

Time to ditch that 'insider' and his formula can go straight to the trash.

The major take away is that Adam Sandler is still a major major draw and Netflix made a great bet making exclusive deals with him.

Yeah, it's really apples to oranges comparing Leo to Wish. If Leo had been in theaters, what would we be talking about? People already have Netflix, so it's just a different equation. That said, obviously Netflix has a nice success on their hands with this one - good for them.
 
Yeah, it's really apples to oranges comparing Leo to Wish. If Leo had been in theaters, what would we be talking about? People already have Netflix, so it's just a different equation. That said, obviously Netflix has a nice success on their hands with this one - good for them.
If Netflix (or Disney, or Warner, or Paramount) could figure out how to charge $15 per set of eyeballs to watch a movie premier for their streaming network, then that would be a real money-maker. Not likely to happen, though.
 
If Netflix (or Disney, or Warner, or Paramount) could figure out how to charge $15 per set of eyeballs to watch a movie premier for their streaming network, then that would be a real money-maker. Not likely to happen, though.
Disney already semi-tried that. People will wait till it’s no added cost to stream.
 
Yup. Or just watching something else. There's a world of content available nowadays that 10 years ago was just a dream.
Correct so the article conflating minutes viewed to box office dollars is incredibly lazy. People, more so kids will watch something at home on a loop because it’s there at a click.

Same reason parents aren’t as compelled to take their kids out to a ton of movies, so much at home that they already pay for monthly, no sense spending $50-100 for a movie outing. Go see the ones whose services you don’t pay for, wait for the others
 
Correct so the article conflating minutes viewed to box office dollars is incredibly lazy.

Good points, agreed.

But once again, why can't they "simply" take monthly revenue ($950M), divided by hours watched per show for that month?

They could even divide it down to the minute I would think.
 
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Good points, agreed.

But once again, why can't they "simply" take monthly revenue ($950M), divided by hours watched per show for that month?

They could even divide it down to the minute I would think.
That’s actually part of what the actors and writers were fighting for. They wanted to be paid more than a piece of the lump licensing Netflix paid to studios for shows/movies and sometimes even their own showrunners and be paid based on how much their shows/movies were watched.
 
That’s actually part of what the actors and writers were fighting for. They wanted to be paid more than a piece of the lump licensing Netflix paid to studios for shows/movies and sometimes even their own showrunners and be paid based on how much their shows/movies were watched.

Oh I remember, I just dont get how it's remotely difficult to decipher, at least the Revenue per hour or minute. Similar to a box office Revenue.

Ex: Leo was watched 3% of minutes (total hypothetical) so it made 3% of $950M.
 
Oh I remember, I just dont get how it's remotely difficult to decipher, at least the Revenue per hour or minute. Similar to a box office Revenue.

Ex: Leo was watched 3% of minutes (total hypothetical) so it made 3% of $950M.
Right they could do that, which just going off your example winds up being $30M not $500M as reported.

They just haven’t, and who knows what they’ll do going forward.
 
Right they could do that, which just going off your example winds up being $30M not $500M as reported.

They just haven’t, and who knows what they’ll do going forward.

Yep, it would need to be over half the minutes watched to be $500M.

I guess it could have been.
 
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/greys-anatomy-hulu-disney-plus-one-app-netflix-1235833802/


Dec 11, 2023 12:00pm PST
‘Grey’s Anatomy’ to Stream on Hulu-Disney+ Combined App, Disney Licensing 14 Shows to Netflix
by Todd Spangler

Disney is bringing all past seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” to Hulu — while they will remain on Netflix — coinciding with the official launch of Hulu on Disney+ in March 2024.

Starting in the spring 2024, Hulu and Netflix will share the co-exclusive U.S. streaming rights to all prior 19 seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” as part of a new licensing deal between Disney Entertainment and Netflix. Only Hulu will have the complete series as new in-season episodes from the upcoming Season 20 will be available to stream (after they air on ABC) along with the 19 previous seasons. “Grey’s Anatomy,” the longest-running medical drama on primetime TV, is created by Shonda Rhimes and produced by ABC Signature, a part of Disney Television Studios, and Shondaland.

The “Grey’s Anatomy” expansion is part of a short-term U.S. content agreement under which Disney Entertainment will license 14 library series to Netflix on a nonexclusive basis.

The Disney-owned titles coming to Netflix (and the premiere dates) nonexclusively are: “The Wonder Years” (Jan. 1, 2024), “This is Us” (Jan. 8, 2024), “My Wife & Kids” (Feb. 5, 2024); “ESPN 30 for 30” (25 episodes; premiere dates vary between February-December 2024); “The Resident” (March 4, 2024); “White Collar” (April 1, 2024); “Reba” (May 6, 2024); “Archer” (May 13, 2024); “How I Met You Mother” (June 3, 2024); “Lost” (July 1, 2024); “Prison Break” (July 29, 2024); “The Hughleys” (Sept. 2, 2024); “Bernie Mac” (Jan. 1, 2025); and “Home Improvement” (Feb. 1, 2025).

The prior seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” will land on Hulu at the same time Disney officially launches Hulu on Disney+, which made its debut in a beta form last week. The “one app” integration lets subscribers of both Disney+ and Hulu access most (but not all) of the Hulu lineup from any of the Disney+ apps.

Disney CEO Bob Iger, on the Mouse House’s earnings call last month, said Disney was in talks to license some of its content to Netflix, where it ended a previous output deal in 2017 but still continues to license select titles. But Iger told investors Disney does not expect to license “core brands” from Disney, Pixar, Marvel or Star Wars to Netflix: “I don’t see why, just to basically chase bucks, we should do that when [the franchises] are really, really important building blocks to the current and future of our streaming business.”
 
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/greys-anatomy-hulu-disney-plus-one-app-netflix-1235833802/


Dec 11, 2023 12:00pm PST
‘Grey’s Anatomy’ to Stream on Hulu-Disney+ Combined App, Disney Licensing 14 Shows to Netflix
by Todd Spangler

Disney is bringing all past seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” to Hulu — while they will remain on Netflix — coinciding with the official launch of Hulu on Disney+ in March 2024.

Starting in the spring 2024, Hulu and Netflix will share the co-exclusive U.S. streaming rights to all prior 19 seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” as part of a new licensing deal between Disney Entertainment and Netflix. Only Hulu will have the complete series as new in-season episodes from the upcoming Season 20 will be available to stream (after they air on ABC) along with the 19 previous seasons. “Grey’s Anatomy,” the longest-running medical drama on primetime TV, is created by Shonda Rhimes and produced by ABC Signature, a part of Disney Television Studios, and Shondaland.

The “Grey’s Anatomy” expansion is part of a short-term U.S. content agreement under which Disney Entertainment will license 14 library series to Netflix on a nonexclusive basis.

The Disney-owned titles coming to Netflix (and the premiere dates) nonexclusively are: “The Wonder Years” (Jan. 1, 2024), “This is Us” (Jan. 8, 2024), “My Wife & Kids” (Feb. 5, 2024); “ESPN 30 for 30” (25 episodes; premiere dates vary between February-December 2024); “The Resident” (March 4, 2024); “White Collar” (April 1, 2024); “Reba” (May 6, 2024); “Archer” (May 13, 2024); “How I Met You Mother” (June 3, 2024); “Lost” (July 1, 2024); “Prison Break” (July 29, 2024); “The Hughleys” (Sept. 2, 2024); “Bernie Mac” (Jan. 1, 2025); and “Home Improvement” (Feb. 1, 2025).

The prior seasons of “Grey’s Anatomy” will land on Hulu at the same time Disney officially launches Hulu on Disney+, which made its debut in a beta form last week. The “one app” integration lets subscribers of both Disney+ and Hulu access most (but not all) of the Hulu lineup from any of the Disney+ apps.

Disney CEO Bob Iger, on the Mouse House’s earnings call last month, said Disney was in talks to license some of its content to Netflix, where it ended a previous output deal in 2017 but still continues to license select titles. But Iger told investors Disney does not expect to license “core brands” from Disney, Pixar, Marvel or Star Wars to Netflix: “I don’t see why, just to basically chase bucks, we should do that when [the franchises] are really, really important building blocks to the current and future of our streaming business.”
That's an interesting bunch of series, wonder how much they got in the deal.
 
That's an interesting bunch of series, wonder how much they got in the deal.
I maintain that the long-term plan/fantasy for streamers to make any significant money is advertising. They've got to condition viewers to accept it, and that will take a bit of time.
 
I just wish people would ignore Steve Cahall's belief that David Ellison/Skydance will close down Paramount+ and sell off assets like, say, Nickelodeon, Pluto TV, CBS, etc. once they buy Paramount Global. Cahill is full of baloney anyway, and stuff like SpongeBob, South Park, and Paw Patrol are crucial to Paramount's streaming initiative, as well as their profits.
 
I just wish people would ignore Steve Cahall's belief that David Ellison/Skydance will close down Paramount+ and sell off assets like, say, Nickelodeon, Pluto TV, CBS, etc. once they buy Paramount Global. Cahill is full of baloney anyway, and stuff like SpongeBob, South Park, and Paw Patrol are crucial to Paramount's streaming initiative, as well as their profits.
Big time debt load, "they" say.

https://deadline.com/2023/12/paramount-2024-credit-rating-studio-nfl-streaming-1235653226/

Paramount Has Some Big Checks To Write In 2024, With Its Credit Rating Still Under Scrutiny, S&P Global Analyst Says: “They Have To Show A Path”

By Dade Hayes - Business Editor
December 5, 2023 - 2:13pm PST

Paramount Global will start 2024 with some big bills to pay and questions swirling about its creditworthiness, in the view of a veteran S&P Global analyst.

Naveen Sarma, S&P’s Managing Director and Sector Lead for the U.S. Media and Telecom Sectors, was one of four analysts from the firm taking part in a panel discussion Tuesday at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference. In addition to Paramount, the session touched on major challenges faced by Dish Networks, Altice USA and the broader media sector as economic models continue to shift.

Earlier this year, Sarma noted, Paramount’s credit rating was lowered from BBB to BBB-, which is the “bottom end of what we would call investment grade.” The primary motivation for the move was weaker cash flows resulting from the transition from linear TV to streaming. If the rating were to fall further, he said, “that could impact investors’ ability to hold” the company’s debt in their portfolios.

In addition to potential erosion in the institutional investor base, the company’s access to “commercial paper” (institutional loans at reasonable interest rates) could be compromised. Commercial debt is a crucial tool used by media businesses producing pricey films and TV series, whose budgets can reach into the hundreds of millions long before their release benefits the balance sheet. Plus, Paramount is going to owe $2 billion to the NFL for media rights in multiple installments over the span of a year, Sarma noted. “They don’t necessarily have the cash on the balance sheet to be able to make that payment,” he said.

(In a statement to Deadline following the panel discussion, an S&P Global rep clarified that Paramount had $1.8 billion of cash as of September 30. The company will soon have more than $3 billion on a pro forma basis due to the sale of book publishing division Simon & Schuster in the fourth quarter, in addition to access to borrowing capacity as needed.)

“A lot of other companies have given guidance on when they think break-even is” in their streaming businesses, Sarma said. Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery, he believes, “will be able to grow EBITDA. .. It isn’t as clear-cut with Paramount. Up until a couple quarters ago, we weren’t sure when that break-even point.”

Along with streaming uncertainty, the analyst continued, “the rest of their business is facing a lot more pressures because of the size and scale of that business relative to their peers. So, cash flow for that company was negative. For other companies, they were generating cash flow. For Paramount, they weren’t. So, when we’re going to look at this company next year and make an assessment, one of the things that’s clear is, they’ve got to start generating free cash flow. They also have to show a path toward break-even with their streaming business.”

The larger sector is susceptible to many of the pressures faced by Paramount.

“The media business isn’t as good a business as it was, from a credit standpoint, 10 years ago,” Sarma said. “Back then, you had advertising on linear television. That’s moving off of linear television and onto other platforms, some of which are owned by big media companies. But there’s also leakage to other companies. The affiliate fee revenue stream, which has really held up all of media .. is in decline. And it’s really not clear to any of us whether streaming is as good a business. I’m not going to say it’s a bad business, but it’s certainly not going to be as good a business as the linear TV business. If you look at all that together, the media companies are going to have weaker cash flows than they have historically had, and that’s going to have a ratings implication from our standpoint.”
 
Right they could do that, which just going off your example winds up being $30M not $500M as reported.

They just haven’t, and who knows what they’ll do going forward.
That's a much better estimate of "Leo"'s value than the ridiculous number in the Wrap article. Even "Barbie" only had $162M its opening weekend. There's no justification for suggesting that "Leo" would have brought in $500M.
 



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