Dining CM just told me that Candlelight Processional will be 2 dining credits

[blondinkaya]

1) Details of 1-or-2 coupons are not formally released, that I know.
2) Regardless, you are not buying a dinner and a "free show".
3) You are paying for dinner and a reserved seating section.
4) WDW has always charged extra for the food & reserved section.
5) Now, they might just apply the extra cost to DDP people.

6) Personally, I think this is fair.
7) If OOP people pay extra for a reserved section, why shouldn't DDP people?

Okay, well, for the Fantasmic dinner package, if you're on the plan, you have the option of using one TS credit for two of the restaurants or 2 TS credits for the other. It looks like ALL of the CP packages are 2-credit meals. I think that eats rocks.

The package is officially off my list. I still plan to eat at Le Cellier (provided IPO can get it for me), using one credit. I may or may not hop in line for the CP. We'll have lots of other stuff to do/watch, so I'll pretend it's not a big deal to miss ...

 

[Merryweather7]

So based on the info posted so far the 2009 Prices look to be:
Tier 1
Lunch (Biergarten only)
$32.99 + tax for Adults - a $5 increase
$17.99 + tax for children - a $5 increase
Dinner (Biergarten and Garden Grill)
$44.99 + tax for Adults - an $11 increase
$22.99 + tax for children - an $8 increase

Tier 2
Lunch (Marrakesh is only quoted example to date)
$38.99 + tax for Adults - a $1 increase
$12.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase
Dinner
$44.99 + tax for Adults - a $0 increase
$14.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase

Tier 3
Lunch (Teppan Edo / Le Cellier / Coral Reef all quoted as this)
$51.99 + tax for Adults - a $7 increase
$13.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
Dinner
$59.99 + tax for Adults - a $6 increase
$15.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
BTW I got these prices by taking Bete and DisneyGrandma's quoted prices and dividing by 1.065 for the 6.5 % sales tax.

So, the different tiers are consistent between restaurants it seems, however for whatever reason, the tier 1 restaurants are WAY higher for kids than either the Tier 2 or 3, and are almost the same as Tier 2 for adults. It doesn't surprise me that they jacked the Tier 1 prices, because if they are charging 2 TS credits, they figure that they have to give you the "value" for it.

Tier 2 appears to have little to no price increase from last year, though we may want a bigger sample, and Tier 3 has a pretty big jump in Adult prices, but not in kids prices.

Remember you read it here first! It seems to me that the OOP cost is about a $10 - $15 premium per adult, and $5-$8 per kid. That premium gets you a reserved seat for CP and Illuminations. Whether its worth 2 TS credits to you is an individual judgement call.

Hope that helps you all decide what you want to do!

SkierPete

Thanks SkierPete! That should help with the decision making process. (I've decided to just book it with the DDP and then make the call to keep it that way or pay OOP later) Its just too much for my little brain to handle after all this speculation!

 

[pmdeve]

Thanks for all the information. We are going to book and then decide later if we are going to pay OOP or use the plan. CP is one of the highlights of my Christmas season.

 

[DebbieB]

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[queenie82]

Thanks SkierPete! That should help with the decision making process. (I've decided to just book it with the DDP and then make the call to keep it that way or pay OOP later) Its just too much for my little brain to handle after all this speculation!

I'm with you...I just read all 6 pages and my head hurts

Just a quick question with the booking though...you confirm with a CC right?
So what is the cancellation policy
Thanks

 

[skier_pete]

I just thought why the Tier 1s were quoted so high - weren't they quoted for the first day of CP - which would be the day after Thanksgiving? Wouldn't the buffet "holiday pricing" also known as the Disney holiday rip-off be in affect?

Someone should call again in a few days and get pricing on November 30th or later and see if the Tier 1s are still the same price.

SkierPete

 

[duckyfordonald]

Just read on another thread that there will also be a SET MENU!

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=33233705#post33233705

Is it just me, or does there seem to be very few options? I think we may reconsider the CP package! I wasn't thrilled about having to use 2 credits anyway - I think having the set menu seals the deal for us. Bummer.

 

[MissBritt]

I don't think that set menus are the way to go, and surprisingly the Le Cellier menu posted is exactly what we wanted, but I'm not too upset about 2 credits.

I know everyone feels differently, but we went with DXDDP to be sure we had plenty of food to spread out for 4 days (only 3 nights per person on the plan) without having to pay more OOP, and I set up my list of ADRs with the chance the CP package would be 2 TS per person, and we won't miss them. I don't mind using them if it means we are guaranteed seats at both shows, even if they are free shows.

I know many would disagree, and I'm not trying to start a debate.

 

[Merryweather7]

Just read on another thread that there will also be a SET MENU!

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=33233705#post33233705

Is it just me, or does there seem to be very few options? I think we may reconsider the CP package! I wasn't thrilled about having to use 2 credits anyway - I think having the set menu seals the deal for us. Bummer.

Ugh! I think my brain just exploded! Now a set menu??? If I wasn't so obsessed about this, it would be funny! I can't wait for the announcement on this one. I was wondering which place to pick, now I'll have to wait to see if what we like is on the menu?! I'm just hoping now that we get some sort of announcement or notice of the menus before I have to book. Good grief, this is getting compicated!

 

[Bete]

The set menu for Le Cellier given would exclude vegetarians and I really don't believe a TS restaurant would do this. I know you can make an exception for dietary needs, but there's always an automatic offering for vegetarians on TS. If you're vegetarian your only choice will be buffet at Biergarten for the package; this wouldn't make sense to me.

With that said you have to remember that Le Cellier has a set menu for those who want an appetizer included in the basic dining plan regardless of the CP package. You don't have to do the set menu at Le Cellier, but it's available to do it there. I think the system may be showing sample menu items that can be ordered for the CP package at Le Cellier, but these are suggestions and not necessarily a requirement of the package.

I called CMs this morn to find out a little more about this part of it; the so-called set menus.

My CM was great. She was totally unaware of any set menu anywhere for CP package. I told her I needed this verified to the nth degree; because, we have vegetarians in our group. She put me on hold and went to guest services. The person in charge of CP through guest services, his name is Nathan stated there is no set menu for the CP package. I believe this information.

Just to make sure the CM gave me direct phone numbers to Chef de France and Tutto Italia. The Le Cellier phone number was wrong in their system (checked twice); so, I couldn't call them direct. Chef and Tutto both said there is not a set menu for their CP dinner package; this is from the horses mouth.

I will continue to research this aspect, but I just find it impossible to believe. This would be like bait and switch, if you were not told about the so-called set menu when booking this event. I can't see Disney doing such deceptive practices.

Le Cellier has a special set menu on a regular basis for 1 dining credit; so, you can include an appetizer on the regular dining plan for your TS. Because, they already do this on a regular basis they may be the exception to the rule here.

 

[skier_pete]

Bete,

Your logic is sound...but it still not impossible for them to go to a set menu. If they did, it would seem like all the changes have been put in place to discourage people from doing the package. (Much higher prices in some case, 2 TS credits, fixed menus.)

What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

 

[Doug7856]

What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

Agreed!

 

[Twende]

Bete,
What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

I so agree with this too! I have to plan for a large family and friends group. These last second changes and announcements are not making this pleasant or easy for me! Come on Disney. Get your act together!

 

[steve76]

Okay, I'm really not happy about this now. I could accept Disney making a small surcharge for DDP guests using the Dinner Package (effectively they charge OOP guests a surcharge, but DDP have effectively got the Dinner Package for free in previous years). Charging 2 credits for the CPDP is a stretch, but one that I might have accepted, since we will be on the DxDP and really want to see the show.

But if the rumours are true, and it is going to be a (very) limited set menu? For 2 credits? I think that is outrageous.

I know that, by all rights, Disney can charge whatever it likes and I shouldn't be angry about it. But one of the reasons that we are going back to Disney is to 'do it' at Christmas and to see the show. We only have a limited time there, and only two days at Epcot, and don't want to spend hours queuing for the show.

We booked this vacation in January, and pretty much knew what our plans were in February and March. Yet once again we have to wait until pretty much the eleventh hour for Disney to get its a$$ into gear and publish the details.

I hope the set menu is just an unfounded rumour. If it is, then it could have all been so easily avoided if Disney had just made its mind up and published the details! We shouldn't have to rely on piecing together nuggets of information gained by customers on the phone!

Vent over.

 

[Davey-D-99]

Okay, I'm really not happy about this now. I could accept Disney making a small surcharge for DDP guests using the Dinner Package (effectively they charge OOP guests a surcharge, but DDP have effectively got the Dinner Package for free in previous years). Charging 2 credits for the CPDP is a stretch, but one that I might have accepted, since we will be on the DxDP and really want to see the show.

But if the rumours are true, and it is going to be a (very) limited set menu? For 2 credits? I think that is outrageous.

I know that, by all rights, Disney can charge whatever it likes and I shouldn't be angry about it. But one of the reasons that we are going back to Disney is to 'do it' at Christmas and to see the show. We only have a limited time there, and only two days at Epcot, and don't want to spend hours queuing for the show.

We booked this vacation in January, and pretty much knew what our plans were in February and March. Yet once again we have to wait until pretty much the eleventh hour for Disney to get its a$$ into gear and publish the details.

I hope the set menu is just an unfounded rumour. If it is, then it could have all been so easily avoided if Disney had just made its mind up and published the details! We shouldn't have to rely on piecing together nuggets of information gained by customers on the phone!

I agree 100%

I would like to add that Disney should posting the December park hours by now as well....AARGGHH!!
It is starting to drive me nuts waiting for them to post these.

 

[Doug7856]

I hate to rant, but I just find Disney's conduct on this to be so disrespectful to it's loyal customers. We're planning our 23rd Walt Disney World vacation and I have never had this experience. Over the past two years, Disney's respect for its customer has just deteriorated. I really have no problem with the two credits by itself, but coupled with the late release of details and unwillingness to publish the details of this mystery package is just unacceptable. Add in the habitually late operating hours and the ever changing rules and the sum is: FRUSTERATION!

I'm very tempted to skip our visit next year. The magic is just getting really thin.

 

[Bete]

August 29. I know about the 10 day plus rule for Disney guests; so, I understand on site guests can book this CP package now.

When you think about the people who are not staying on site who will be doing the CP package and not being able to do their booking until August 29 or later then maybe, just maybe Disney will announce complete details at this point.

I'm anxiuos to get complete detailed information, too.

I can't believe there will be set menus without that information being passed on to the guest who is booking right now. I have not caught Disney in this kind of deceptive practice and I don't think it's going to start with this CP package.

I have talked to a lot of dining CMs today and I even had a chance to talk directly to two, better TS restaurants at Epcot today about it and no one, I mean no one is acknowledging a set menu for CP processional.

 

[DC7800]

Over the past two years, Disney's respect for its customer has just deteriorated.........
.........I'm very tempted to skip our visit next year. The magic is just getting really thin.

Sadly, it started long before two years ago....

 

[Merryweather7]

I agree, this has been a disgraceful display of Disney arrogance. They don't post hours for the parks on time, they jack up pricing, and now they've totally messed up the very thing we are making this trip down for...Christmas. I simply don't understand why they continue to press their luck by insulting and disregarding their loyal customers. We have been so very excited to come down and see all the Christmas happenings and now, I have to admit, the luster is gone. I can't for the life of me see myself telling my 8yr old DN that she has to order a hotdog at LeCellier while I'm eating steak and ESPECIALLY when you can upgrade to a childs steak on the regular menu. What an insult to her and to me to think I'd pay $17 for something like that. It looks from this board that Disney has opened a can of worms on this one. How very frustrating.

 

[Redbudlover]

What are the other tier one restaurants? preferred seating for Illuminations during the slowest time of the year in early December does not make it worth 2 credits for me - and I do not care for Biergartens. But I am also confused - are you saying that the tier one restaurants would still be one credit on the DDP?