Diabetes and Atkins

ethansmommy34

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Is anyone doing Atkins also diabetic? I started out on Weight Watchers but am having a difficult time counting points with my hectic schedule at work and a 1 yr old at home. I decided to switch to Atkins and have been pleased so far. Any successes with blood sugar and trigyceride reduction. I need reassurance
 
I'm sure nativetxn will answer this question in quite some detail for you. Her husband has done very well on Atkins and is a diabetic- but she has all the numbers etc.
I am a diabetic and have been doing Atkins. I have seen wonderful success in my BS going down into normal ranges. I have a Dr.s appt. tomorrow to have my meds changed. In the 2 or so weeks that I have eaten low carb, my numbers have gone from very HIGH irregular numbers to relatively consistent normal numbers. I have cut my meds in half in that small amount of time! I fell off Atkins last weekend and my numbers jumped instantly - up to 295! Went back to Atkins on Sunday and voila! They are normal and sometimes low. That's why I'm having the prescription changed- it's just too strong for me when I'm on Atkins. For me, Atkins has been a real blessing. It is the only thing that has pulled my BS into normal ranges after a year of trying to deal with it every other way. Tomorrow, when I go to the Dr. office, I am also requesting that she do some blood work so that I can see what my progression is as far as cholestorol and trigycerides and all that other stuff is concerned. I think it would be worth a try for you- but would maybe consult a physician before doing so.
 
Hi Kim,

I'm a type II diabetic and have been on Atkins for 10 days. I started it because my sugar was spiraling out of control ("Houston, we have a problem":jester: ). It's back in control now and I've lost 8 pounds.

Sure, when I started it, I was a little scared my heart would seize up, lol, but I've done a lot of research and it appears that lo-carb eating is good for your heart.

I don't see my doctor until mid-May, so she doesn't know I'm doing this. I expect she might do a little "tsk, tsking", but at this point, we both know that anything that helps me to lose weight and keep my sugar under control is a good thing. She'll probably do a lot of blood testing at my appointment, so I can let you know then, but my research has shown that most people improve their blood lipids on this eating plan.

There are several people on this board who are dealing with diabetes and Atkins or they know someone who is, so I expect you will get a lot more help here. We are a helpful bunch, that's for sure.:) Good LucK!
 
My father-in-law is diabetic, and also overweight, and his doctor told him to go on Atkins! Since then, his numbers are great, and he's losing weight very quickly!
 

Hi ethansmommy3. Welcome to the DIS and a special welcome to WISH. I'm glad to see you here.

My husband is type II diabetic diagnosed in 1988. He never controlled his diabetes and he ended up with two heart attacks (one he didn't know about and a serious one). The second heart attack resulted in a quadruple heart bypass in 1998. This threw a scare into him for about 6 months. While he followed the diabetic diet he just couldn't get his blood sugar under control. His glycolated hemoglobin stayed right up around 9.2 which is a dangerous number to have :(

After about 6 months he just gave up trying. He never tested his blood sugar although he had several different glucometers at home. He put off his appointments with his cardiologist and internist and just asked for medication refills as long as they would allow it and when they would finally say no more refills he would go in and have his blood work and examinations. He went from the diabetic diet (which back then was quite high in carbohydrates) to eating what he wanted and that happened to be just about anything high in carbs and lots of those foods. I would find empty packages of Hostess cupcakes, all kind of fast food bags and the healthy lunches I had made for him would be in the trunk, molded. About the only thing about his diet that wasn't bad for him was that he drank only sugar free soft drinks.

So, then I gave up too. Why make him a lunch that fit his diabetic eating plan if he was just not going to eat it? I just had to live with the knowledge that he was going to die fairly young. It hurt and made me sad but I did my best and it wasn't good enough. So, I gave up and watched his health decline :(

The doctors had told both of us that it wasn't a question of <i>if</i> he would have another, likely fatal, heart attack, it was simply a matter of <i>when</i> unless he could get his blood sugar under control, because diabetes damages the heart even <i>more</i> than cigarette smoking.

Even taking both glucophage and avandia, his glycolated hemoglobins stayed over 9. He always felt bad. He was fatigued and could never get enough sleep, sometimes he would have sham rages when his blood sugar got over 300 and he had a grey face with huge charcoal gray circles aroud his eyes. Even after he slept 12 hours he had a hard time getting up because he felt exhausted. His eyes began showing diabetic retinopathy and he had several laser surgeries to stop the bleeding in his eyes. He stopped being able to heal like he once did. The slightest bump on his legs left "scars" where the bruise had been. Once when had worn new shoes to the office, when he took his shoe off I saw that it was full of blood. He had developed a blister on his heal but didn't realize it because of the peripheral neuropathy. He had no idea he had a blister so he just kept walking and the blister eventually broke and he kept walking and it just got worse.

I got fairly resigned to the fact that he would likely die several years before me, the genetics were already in place and he was helping them along by not controlling his diabetes.

I'm not going to go into how we got started on Atkins or this post will be just too long--it probably is already. If you are interested in that send me and email and I'll tell you :)

So, we started Atkins together on 1/9/03. I had no problems. My husband had carbohydrate withdrawal. Slightly queasy, headachey, and grumpy beyond belief.

At the end of the 4th day of induction, however, he came home from walking on the treadmill at the gym and said, "I just feel <b>good</b>". I said, "Praise God" and asked him to check his blood sugar. It was still high but low for him. Instead of 250+ it was 170. At the end of his first week his blood sugar was 120 when he tested it before bedtime. At the end of two weeks it was <100. He was elated. He felt good, his sugar was getting under better control, he no longer had trouble finishing his 3 mile treadmill walk and he lost 13.5 pounds the first week. He was hooked on Atkins and a very happy man.

<i>But wait...there's more</i> ;)

His last physical before starting Atkins was on November 13, 2002. He had his blood work checked again on 2/1/03 three weeks after beginning his controlled carbohydrate way of eating.

I'm going to give you some numbers so you can see how he did:

First his glycolated hemoglobin:
11/13/02=9.2 3/4/03=7.1 4/8/03=6.1 [normal=4.1-6.4]

Fasting blood sugar:
11/13/02=204 3/4/03=not tested 4/8/03=143 [normal=65-110]

His fasting morning glucose is usually a little high because of his bedtime meds. It's called a dawn phenomenon. But even that has improved by 61 points.

HDL cholesterol:
11/13/02=47 4/8/03=56 [normal=30-60]

Total cholesterol:
11/13/02=195 4/8/03=156 [normal=125-200]

Cholesterol/HDL ratio:
11/13/02=4.1 4/8/03=3.3

LDL Cholesterol:
11.13.03=104 4/8/03=85 [normal=60-130]

Triglycerides:
11/13/03=219 4/8/03=123 [normal=10-190]

Sorry this is so long. I just think that in this instance the numbers themselves speak louder than words.

My husband now has a normal skin color, no more circles around his eyes, no more grey tinge to his skin. He has lost 30 pounds, has lots of energy. No longer comes home and goes straight to sleep. He laughs a lot more and he is happy.

He loves the foods allowed by Atkins. Doesn't miss any of the refined carbohydrates except sugar but he is happy with Splenda instead.

He told me after his first March blood work that he intended to continue following the Atkins nutritional approach even if he never lost another pound because he just feels better.

He loves to check his blood sugar now because it just tickles him to see it be 74 or 85 or 100 instead of 275, 400 or 150. He is happy and content.

Both his cardiologist and his internist are very happy and they have both told him to never stop eating the Atkins way. They tell him he is saving his own life by eating this way.

Good luck with this. I'll be glad to send you the rules for induction if you like. The Atkins book, however, is an excellent resource and well worth the $7.99 cost of the paperback.

If I can offer you any more help or answer any more questions send me a private message or email. I'll do my best to answer your questions and help all that I can.

Katholyn
 
I'm a Type II diabetic (since 1996) and just started Atkins Induction last Sunday. Prior to that, I'd been trying to eat fairly low carb, but my blood sugars still weren't really under good control, especially after meals or in the morning. I was often hungry, too (which usually triggered a "binge"). The diet my Dr recommended just didn't work at all, so my Dr. added another drug and increased the dosage of the first. YCK! More pills!

Since I started (4 days ago), I've already had to cut my glyburide dose in half - blood sugars were getting too low during the day. I'm not hungry anymore, because when I am, I can eat! My blood sugars have been getting a lot more consistent, even after meals and they are even in the "normal" range most of the time!

I am still a little worried about the effect this diet will have on my HDL . My HDL was so low last month when it was tested (19 and Dr. wants it to be 35 or higher) that my Dr. made me start yet another drug. I'm already on Lipitor. (There is no history of heart disease in my family and I haven't had any heart problems so far. I know diabetics are at increased risk of heart disease and that is why my Doctor is treating my cholesterol levels so aggressively). Anyway, I'm glad to know that Atkins is helping real people improve their cholesterol levels. I'm kind of worried because not eating low fat seems so "wrong" (based on what I've always believed).

I hate all the pills I'm supposed to take and am encouraged to see my blood sugar results so far. All these drugs can't be good for my liver! Any weight I lose and keep off is a nice bonus. I am going to ask my Dr if I can stop the cholesterol drugs if the next tests (in three months) shows better results.

I really appreciate eveyone who has posted to this thread - and especially thank nativetxn. That post must have taken a good bit of time just to type! :D

nativetxn - I'd love to know how your husband got started on Atkins and I bet others would too (if you and he don't mind sharing here). My email is ckjacob52@yahoo.com if you'd rather do it that way. Thanks for the offer. I had been considering Atkins for several weeks based on your PM to me. Right after Dr. Atkins died, I happenend to catch a rerun of a Larry King show that featured Dr. Atkins himself. Lots of people had called in to ask him questions and some were diabetics. I took it as a sign and started Induction soon after. (Found the show by flipping channels. Don't usually watch Mr. King's shows). The Atkins website (www.atkinscenter.com) has lots of info on it, including the rules of induction. I'll be buying the book as soon as I can get to a bookstore.

Thanks again to everyone who shared their story with us!
 
KATHOLYN! KATHOLYN! KATHOLYN!

What did I tell you! Kath's the best! She never lets you down. I love to read her posts about herself & her husband and their Atkins journey- because every time she posts, I learn something new from her. Thanks for taking the time to post kath- now, when are you gonna tell us more?!? I mean- come on! Even ALEX is asking!! :eek:

Pretty please ......with Splenda on top?!?!?! :p
 
Originally posted by nativetxn
I'm not going to go into how we got started on Atkins or this post will be just too long--it probably is already. If you are interested in that send me and email and I'll tell you :)
Katholyn

Oh PLEASE do!! My dad has diabetes and high cholesterol. The diabetic diet is doing nothing to control his sugar levels either. He sounds like your dh was -- avoiding appts, not checking his levels... :( It makes me sad because he is still a young man at 58!

He is a meat lover! I bet he would do great on the Atkins diet, so I would love to hear your story. Maybe I can convince him to try this WOE.

His diabetes is one of the reasons I am so motivated to get my weight off - forver! Please won't you share your story??
 
Okay, but don't say I didn't warn you. This is another long story ;)

When my mother was diagnosed with stomach cancer just before Christmas my sister (17 months younger) flew from Houston to Michigan so that she could be here after mother's surgery.

Now, this is probably irrelevant but my sister is about 4 inches taller than I am and weighs probably 60-70 pounds lighter. She has always been just gorgeous and her looks are very important to her. So she has never let herself go like I have done.

She has also always driven me crazy trying to "help" me with my weight problem :rolleyes: I love her but I could just bop her sometimes. At any rate....

She spent a week with me between Christmas and New Year's and believe it or not we had a lot of fun between trips to the hospital. She told me she wanted to lose weight :rolleyes: and she wanted me to go on the Atkins plan with her.

I have a little medical background. The surgeon in Houston who trained me as his office nurse told me in 1971, "Never follow the Atkins diet--it will kill you." I had a lot of respect and admiration for this man and I believed him.

So when my sister asked me to go on the Atkins plan with her, I immediately said, "that will kill you."

Well, when gets determined there is no stopping her. She simply said, "It won't kill you in three months, just go on it for three months." *sigh* So, I bought the book and started reading up. It sounded too good to be true. So, I started tracking down a lot of the studies that Atkins referenced in his book on the internet and I learned something very important. Atkins won't kill you :)

I agreed to follow this eating plan for at least three months. My husband came home one evening and I pounced and asked him to do Atkins with us. You should have seen the look on his face, I wish I had a photo. He rolled his eyes and I knew what he was thinking, "first cabbage soup now this, what cockamamie scheme is she up to now."

My sister jumped into the conversation when she saw that he was about to say no thanks and said, "just do it for three months--okay, just two weeks do it for two weeks. Think of it as part of your Navy Seal training. (My sister is funny sometimes :) )

So, I could tell he was reluctant, but he agreed to two weeks. We set a date to begin, January 9, 2003. I went shopping, dumped all of the boxes of cereal and crackers etc in the pantry, and we began.

The first day wasn't bad. Wilgus said he felt queasy but he wasn't to queasy to eat fried eggs, bacon, sausage, and lots of other meat and cheese and a salad with full fat dressing. He went to the gym that night and got his base weight.

The next day he came home from the gym practically jumping up and down, he had lost 3 pounds. The next day 1.5, the next 2, etc., etc., until he had lost 13.5 pounds. I was happy for him but boy was I jealous. I wasn't losing that fast.

Every time he ate a meal or sugar free jello with real whipped cream, or a piece of cheese, he would just marvel at the fact that he could eat these foods and lose weight.

I lost 5 pounds the first week, 7 pounds the second week and 6 pounds the third week. Not too bad.

We were neither of us craving or wanting anything not on the plan. My husband was seeing his blood sugar under control for the first time in 15 years and he was feeling good.

I was losing some weight and very happy because I could see the color coming back into my husbands face again and I had renewed hope that he would grow old with me and not leave me a widow at 53.

Before Atkins my husband just flat out refused to test his blood sugar at home. I couldn't <i>pay</i> him to do it. I insisted that he had to check his sugar at least once a day when he started Atkins. I didn't know how his sugar was going to react. I knew it should drop, I didn't know how low, though and I wanted to be safe. He agreed to check his sugar. He couldn't wait to get home that first night to check his sugar..173. Amazing it was 250 something last time he checked.

He started checking his sugar two and three times a day. I was amazed. He was just so excited so see normal blood sugars. I asked him why he wouldn't test his sugar before Atkins but now checked it often. He told me he never wanted to check it before because he knew it was going to be high. Now he knew that while he followed the Akins plan his blood sugars would be normal. He just loves that part so much :)

We truly believe we have found our lifetime way of eating. We are healthy now. We feel good now. We have lots more fun now too. He's very good about reading labels and he won't eat anything if he doesn't know how many carbs are in it. He's pretty determined and that makes me <b>very</b> happy.

I think I came to wish about three weeks after that and now WISH is helping me so much. I know that with the support of this wonderful support group, I am going to be successful.

I know everyone else is going to be successful too. We're WISHers...that's what we do...we <b>succeed</b>.

Katholyn
 
Thank you so much everyone who has posted (particularly you Katholyn). I thought I had made the right decision but you confirmed my ideas. I have been diabetic, type II for fourteen years and the only time I had good control was during my pregnancy. It's constantly up and down. Anyway, I am looking forward to testing my BS tonight. Have seen a little drop since I began induction on Monday. I would love to hear more about your DH, Katholyn and how you all came to Atkins. It seems like everyone else on this thread would also. Please post or email me at kwilliams34@sbcglobal.net.

Also, I have one more question. How often does everyone weigh? I don't want to be disappointed but I'm anxious to get on the scale. In fact I did today!! I know I can't weigh every day but after three days I was curious and I had actually lost 5lbs. I think only once a week from now on though.
 
All of the experts say once a week..
but I have a confession to make...
When I was losing most of my weight, I got on EVERY single day without fail. I don't think it hurt ME at all. I think it depends on the person, with me if there wasn't a loss it made me determined to do better that day.
 
What a great story, Katholyn! THANK YOU for sharing it with us!! I am so so happy that you found Atkins!! :) Congrats to you and your hubby! I think I need to start working on my dad!
 
I only weigh once a week, Kim. But that is only because the bloat fairy spends an inordinate amount of time at my house. I have gained as much as 12 pounds overnight and even though I <i>know</i> it is just fluid retention it frustrates me.

I do better weighing just once a week. If I was a man, I would probably weigh every day.
 
Katho...I know its none of my business...but have you spoke to a DR about your "bloating"??? 12 lbs overnight seems to be alot...and I am wondering if something else might be going on.

I just want to make sure that you are okay...sorry for being nosy.

Tracy
 
Oh geez. My husband just told me to come in here and tell y'all about his mother.

After we began Atkins we went home to Houston, about Februay 7th I think, and visited his mother and sister.

My husband's mother is typeII diabetic also, so out of control that she took and oral medication <b>and</b> insulin injections.

She was so impressed with her son's blood sugars that she decided she would follow the Atkins plan too....well, <i>that</i> and the fact that she wanted some real bacon bad. :teeth:

So she started Atkins. Checked her blood sugar at the end of the first day and it was 120, she didn't need her insulin that night...or the next...or the next. She hasn't had to take insulin since March 1, 2003.

Her physician is thrilled and told her not to stop eating the Atkins way, even told her he was on Atkins maintenance. She's thrilled too. Not only has she been able to give up those insulin injections but she gets to eat foods that she loves and has lived without for a very long time.

Okay, that's it. I promise no more long posts. I'll wait until tomorrow to post to the check-in thread. Was that a sigh of relief I heard?

Katholyn
 
Luvinit the doctor just says it's ideopathic edema. My holter monitor, echo2DM mode ekg and regular ekg show no congestive heart disease.

I'm just one of those lucky people, I guess :)
 
Katholyn - yours and your DH's story are so inspiring.

On the cholesterol issue and heart health... besides the overwhelming evidence that is pointing to low carb reducing cholesterol SIGNIFICANTLY.... I can point to my own experience (which I posted in more detail a few weeks ago) - I reduced my total cholesterol by 61 points (yes you read that correctly) and my Triglycerides specifically by 62 points! After years of low fat/high carb dieting AND having my cholesterol continue to climb and climb... I am truly thankful for finding the answer.

Sugar and highly processed starches are evil... and a scourge to the health of mankind.
 
Originally posted by nativetxn
Oh geez. My husband just told me to come in here and tell y'all about his mother.

Tell him thank you from at least me!

....(snip)......Okay, that's it. I promise no more long posts. I'll wait until tomorrow to post to the check-in thread. Was that a sigh of relief I heard?

Katholyn

Nope! It was gratitude! Thanks for another inspiring story.

I can't wait for the results of my next series of blood work. Good bye PILLS (I hope)! Have bookmarked this thread and plan to refer back to it everytime I feel like eating something that Dr. Atkins would not approve of.

Thanks for taking all that time to type & edit!
 
You might look for a book by Dr. Bernstein, "Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution". He advocates a low-carb diet to control blood sugar and other diabetes complications. Here's his website: http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ it's got information on the book and Dr. Bernstein, as well as excerpts from the book.
 












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