Detention for not doing homework-?? your thoughts

mudnuri

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Here's the story from the front page of a local newspaper here today.

Thoughts, comments, debates ???

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050818/NEWS/508180390/1003

Manchester gets tough on late homework

August 18, 2005

By ANDREW McKEEVER Herald Staff

MANCHESTER — Students in the upper grades at Manchester Elementary-Middle School will be required to serve a detention if they fail to turn in homework on time.

The new discipline is designed to make students more responsible and get them ready for the tougher academic pressures that lie ahead when they reach high school, said co-principal Jacqueline Parks.

"This is a way to hold kids accountable and to say that homework is important," she said this week. "Kids today have jam-packed schedules, but part of our job is to put the management skills in place and the time to do that is in middle school."

The new policy will affect seventh- and eighth-grade students right from the first day of school. Then, beginning on Oct. 24, the sixth grade will also be held to the same standard, she said.

The detention period will run from 3:15 to 4 p.m. on the same day the homework was due. A school bus will provide transportation for those held late, Parks said.

The detention will take priority over any extracurricular activities the student might be involved in, including sports and athletics, she said.

The get-tough approach was the product of discussions among faculty and staff about how to elevate the importance of getting homework done in a timely manner.

It has been a topic of discussion before, but being able to add a late bus this year made the concept fly, she said.

Not turning in homework on time is an ongoing problem for some students, Parks said.

"It not only impacts them but other students in the class," she said. It slows down the progress of the class when teachers have to review material a second time, she said.

Homework guidelines have been in place for several years at MEMS. The average amount of time a student is expected to spend on homework ranges from 60 to 90 minutes night for sixth-graders, and up to two hours a night for seventh- and eighth-grade students, she said.

Initial reaction from parents seems to be positive.

"From my perspective, I'm totally fine with it," said Grant Turner, a parent of a third-grader and an eighth-grader. "I expect my children to turn in their homework. Doing homework is partly a parent issue and I don't mind to be asked."

The extra cost of running an additional bus was the only concern for Moira Spivey, a parent of another MEMS eighth-grader.

"I think it is a great idea, but who is going to pay for the bus?" she said.

Door-to-door transportation will not be provided. The bus will only make drop-offs at centralized locations, according to a letter mailed out to parents and students announcing the changes.

It will be up to each school in the Bennington-Rutland Supervisory Union to decide its own approach to late homework, said school Superintendent Gregory Scieszka.

"Each school will be doing it their own way," he said. "Homework usually reflects community expectations."

Adding the academic detention for late homework was not an outgrowth of anything in particular from last year, Parks said.

"We saw an opportunity to increase expectations," she said.

At least one student thought there could have been a little leeway built into the new procedure.

Making students serve the detention on the same day their homework is late sounded a little harsh to eighth-grader Hillary Spivey.

"Sometimes kids forget their homework," she said. "(Detention) should be if you're late a couple of days, or a week."
 
Lebanon, NH schools started this a couple of years ago. My friend's son did this starting in 5th grade. Except the detention was the next day, not the same day homework was not turned in.

To be honest, it was really only an inconvenience for the parents, because they had to arrange alternative transportation. My friend's son really didn't care that he had detention. It gave him time to get more homework done.

For older kids who are involved in extra-curricular activities, I think it would have a lot more impact. It's a good idea in my book.

Denae
 
I would have a problem with it, as a parent, because I do not see any lee-way for parental notification... I mean, that would leave parents hanging, not knowing when, or how, their child would be returning home each day.

I think the school is accountable to let parents know ahead of time if their child will be kept after school, and kept from riding their regularly scheduled bus home.

Other than that, the homework issue is probably Okay.
 
It should inconvenience the parents. Then maybe they will stay on top of their kids school life. A simple "Do you have homework?" may be the only question needed from a parent. I know sometimes kids forget, but don't most schools give or require planners to be used?
It would be nice though, if during these detentions, there were staff on hand to help the detainees with a concept they didn't quite get, and therefore didn't finish their homework.
Also, we're putting such pressure on our kids these days. They are really expected to be mini adults. If a child cannot finish their homework, then maybe his/her schedule should be reviewed. Cut back on a few extra-curriculars. Carve out a homework time every night when someone can be available to the child if s/he gets stuck. We are really losing our perspective here about how to best serve our children. Many think it is to prepare them for the rigors of the real world, and, to be sure, they need tools for that. But maybe, we need to take a look at the world we've prepared for them. It just may be that we need to take a look at our priorities, and whether we want our children to embrace them.

AH Zen. :sunny:
 
I don't have a problem with that. I think parents need to make sure thier children do thier homework. I know parents who don't even check thier kids backpacks, homework, etc... they aren't involved at all. As for the kids, this is a good way to get them to do what they are suppose to do to begin with. Kids really need to learn about consequences. I don't think 45 minutes is unreasonable. I do agree that maybe the detention should be the following day, however,due to parents schedules (and other things that you may need time to reschedule).
 
At all my son's elementary schools (four different ones), you sat our recess if you didn't have your homework, so this is just an extension. The only problem I see is the transportation issue -- I think it's perfectly appropriate to not get to do extracurriculuars when you didn't do the work.
 
It's all about accountability and by and large the schools have very little recourse but to try to force children to accept the responsibility of homework. I don't know of any other methods allowed besides detention.
 
My kid isn't in school yet, but it would be a priority in my life to make sure he does his homework, and he's always prepared for school. If my plans got messed up too much on a consistant basis because he couldn't keep track of it, maybe I'd try duct taping the homework to his forhead.
 
I dont think we can really say its going to be a burden on the parents. They are running late buses for this....plus the point is- you as a parent really should know if your kids didnt do their homework. I would be willing to bet, after 1-2 times of this, you'd take a more active role as a parent if it does inconvenience you. "you" being a parent, not anyone in particular.

What they do at my kids school is you can go to "recess readers" if you chose to, either to do the coming homework for that night, or the homework you missed the night before. 100% choice, but I think some parents signed their kids up without a choice, so they dont have to deal with the homework at home.

Brandy
 
mudnuri said:
What they do at my kids school is you can go to "recess readers" if you chose to, either to do the coming homework for that night, or the homework you missed the night before. 100% choice, but I think some parents signed their kids up without a choice, so they dont have to deal with the homework at home.

Not a bad system. Some parents schedules doen't allow for much time to be helping kids with homework. Then I'm sure there are still parents like my Mom, who was just unprepared for the level of work I was doing and couldn't help if I got stuck 'cause she didn't get it either. Nice to have choices.
 
They do it at the school district we are in, at my dd's Elementary Level. It is called "ZAP" (Zero's Aren't Permitted) You get 3 strikes and after that you are on ZAP for the rest of the year, everytime you don't turn something in.
It is a 45 minute detention.

They make a big deal out of it. I moved here from Missouri in April and honestly I did not expect to see such wonderful well run, great teachers. The schools are awesome!

I sure wish Missouri would make changes to bring themselves up to National Standards. Or any standard for that matter. There is just no accountability there.
 
I think that it's a great idea. I wish that more schools would do this. Does anybody have a school that does this on the high-school level?
 
Honestly, I like the idea. What I do want to know is... Does this district have a school board? The article didn't state whether or not it was on the agenda and if parents were able to provide any input. I just like knowing what is going on with my kid's school and being able to give my 2cents. Our school board has been kinda sneaky lately, throwing things on the agenda last minute, demanding an immediate vote, etc. Unfortunately, I also have a son who is very blase in most things. Homework, schmowork. Maybe something like this would be just the kick in the pants he needs. Believe me we have tried EVERYTHING and nothing seems to work.
 
chrissyk said:
I think that it's a great idea. I wish that more schools would do this. Does anybody have a school that does this on the high-school level?

Many schools here do this, and have forever! I'm thinking of the school my mum and I both went to - certainly there was punishment for homework not done, and the punishment was detention usually. That school took kids from age 11 - 18. It depended a lot on the teachers though - some were more strict about deciding when a detention was merited. I can think of a few in particular ...... :teeth:

I'm not sure what the punishment is at primary schools (age 4 - 11), but I'm sure it exists in some form. Not sure if detention is the consequence of choice though - I don't remember from when I was that young, and my kids aren't at the age where they get homework yet.

I don't disagree with the concept of consequences for not meeting an agreed upon deadline - that's good training! If there are good reasons why a child can't meet the deadline (illness, bereavement etc.) then a parental note would excuse them and extend the deadline by an agreed amount of time.
 
When I was in school, you got a zero for not doing the homework assignment and that was punishment enough as a zero was pretty hard to recover from. Is the detention for kids who don't care about grades? If so, they won't care about detention either. They will just sit and slack in detention so I'm not quite sure I see the point. It will just freak well meaning kids out if they forget their homework.
 
I think it's a good idea. I only wish our county would adopt a uniform homework policy, regardless of the consequences of not doing any. My middle son is in middle school. Last year on parent open house night, I took notes. Two of his teachers said they gave homework every night and it had to be turned in the following day for full credit, the day after for half credit or just forget it. Two teachers said homework was extra practice and kids could choose to do it or not. Two teachers assigned homework that could be turned in anytime during the marking period for credit. Please explain how my son is supposed to keep all of this straight with the many other changes occuring in middle school. The school is 3 floors, 3x the size of elementary, instead of 3 teachers he had 8, gym required changing clothes and showering, locker stops, etc. It is simply overwhelming for 11 y olds imo. One consistent homework policy would be fantastic!
 
They had this policy when I was in school - a looooooooooooooooong time ago!

Worse yet, the late bus dropped me off a mile from my home and I had to walk from there.. One or two times of that in the dead of winter and I got the "message" real quick!!

I don't have a problem with it at all - nor do I think that parents should have to "micro-manage" their children when it comes to homework.. Either they get it done, or they pay the natural consequences..
 
Some of my son's H.S. teachers do this. We were told well in advance during orientation. I have no problem with it! For my sons (9th and 10th grades) this is a good policy as it will force them to get the work done and turn it in on time.

Very often they do it, but then "forget" to turn it in. Hopefully the threat of detention should nip that bad habit in the bud right quick!
 
C.Ann said:
I don't have a problem with it at all - nor do I think that parents should have to "micro-manage" their children when it comes to homework.. Either they get it done, or they pay the natural consequences..

Amen to that! It would have been a cold day you-know-where before my parents micro-managed my homework. That was MY job, and they made that quite clear. I don't get all the parents "helping" kids out with homework these days. I love the bit about "natural consequences"...that is the perfect way to put it. It is the CHILD'S job to see to it that their homework gets done. Are the parents going to be there in college to help with homework, or maybe at that first job to make sure that the adult-child is doing his/her projects on time :confused3 Homework is life-skills training IMHO.
 
C.Ann said:
They had this policy when I was in school - a looooooooooooooooong time ago!
If they had this when I was going to school, I might still be in detention. I may have actually caught on after a few years and started doing my homework.
 












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