Demographic is changing Covid-19

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The data in the Bloomberg report was so badly presented it would have gotten an F in any science class I've ever taken. The age spans were non-comparable (really 19-50?, one chart lumped 20-44 together, yet the next brackets are all 9 year spans) and just designed to exaggerate their claim.

If you look at the real data, hospitalizations of the 20-44 bracket is lower.

They lost me when they used the term millennial.

 

[godisney14]

Yeah, it's hard to tell. The news said he was first on respirator and then he was going on an external lung machine. The link posted is an update to a previous story on him which identifies his daughter as positive. That initial story is embedded in the second story and they discuss the respirator and then the drug. So maybe they just got it mixed up.

Yup. An external lung machine is the ventilator.

The experimental drug may be something called Remdesivir. Though now some hospitals are trying something called hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial treatment.

Btw, if you have any flu-cold symptoms with a fever, take acetaminophen (Tylenol) instead of ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil). There’s no formal study, but anecdotal observation suggests ibuprofen may exacerbate coronavirus symptoms.

 

[LittleMissMagic]

I assumed this is because of the massive cultural difference between China and the west - Everyone is told to stay in, can't go out. Older people are vulnerable. So in one culture - everyone listens, to protect older people. Because they don't feel entitled to something. But of course HERE you have an age group that feels entitled and impervious - and they don't take it seriously. They hear only that they are excluded from the caution group - they don't want THEIR trips ruined - so they change nothing and do whatever they want. They don't listen to authority and now they're getting sick simply because - everyone CAN get sick.

It isn't the young Chinese culture that made them so obedient... it's their lack of rights due to the communist government. If they didn't obey, who knows what would happen to them? Punishment could be far worse than getting/spreading the Coronavirus.

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

Could this be related to more older people taking it very seriously, while more younger people feel that they are completely invincible? Makes sense to me, and reiterates how we all have to work together to get through this.

This is sort of what I am seeing. My younger relatives (most of them are in their 20s) are still living life as usual. Posting pictures on Facebook of vacations in New Orleans, for example, in the midst of all this. Going ahead with plans and parties. It's very frustrating to me that they don't take it seriously.

 

[wilbret]

I assumed this is because of the massive cultural difference between China and the west - Everyone is told to stay in, can't go out. Older people are vulnerable. So in one culture - everyone listens, to protect older people. Because they don't feel entitled to something. But of course HERE you have an age group that feels entitled and impervious - and they don't take it seriously. They hear only that they are excluded from the caution group - they don't want THEIR trips ruined - so they change nothing and do whatever they want. They don't listen to authority and now they're getting sick simply because - everyone CAN get sick.

Have you seen the videos of people being welded into their buildings? The culture difference is the government's level of control over the people. People were still sneaking out of Wuhan, which is part of the problem...

 

[SaintsManiac]

This is sort of what I am seeing. My younger relatives (most of them are in their 20s) are still living life as usual. Posting pictures on Facebook of vacations in New Orleans, for example, in the midst of all this. Going ahead with plans and parties. It's very frustrating to me that they don't take it seriously.

Nola is a hot bed for this. They finally came to their senses and shut the bars down, but it’s too late.

 

[RamblingMad]

Yup. An external lung machine is the ventilator.

The experimental drug may be something called Remdesivir. Though now some hospitals are trying something called hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial treatment.

Btw, if you have any flu-cold symptoms with a fever, take acetaminophen (Tylenol) instead of ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil). There’s no formal study, but anecdotal observation suggests ibuprofen may exacerbate coronavirus symptoms.

Just watch these videos every day. They’re only about 10 minutes long.

 

[wilbret]

It isn't the young Chinese culture that made them so obedient... it's their lack of rights due to the communist government. If they didn't obey, who knows what would happen to them? Punishment could be far worse than getting/spreading the Coronavirus.

I concur. I spent 10 years working for a company with manufacturing in China, and spent a good chunk of time in HK or CH. My brother in law lives in Shenzen. I think we are going to find out very soon that the data from China is junk. They lied to the world about the origin, about person-to-person transmission, and about the severity. Lots of voices on Twitter were silenced. I fear the actual death toll is many many times the amount they are claiming.

 

[sam_gordon]

There’s no formal study, but anecdotal observation suggests ibuprofen may exacerbate coronavirus symptoms.

And you read it on the internet, so it must be true?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ibuprofen-for-covid-19-leaves-experts-baffledEven the WHO is walking back their advice to avoid ibuprofen.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/19/metro/is-it-safe-take-ibuprofen-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/

 

[mi*vida*loca]

The USA has so many unhealthy young people that it doesn’t surprise me.

 

[erc]

And you read it on the internet, so it must be true?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ibuprofen-for-covid-19-leaves-experts-baffledEven the WHO is walking back their advice to avoid ibuprofen.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/19/metro/is-it-safe-take-ibuprofen-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/

So great to get misinformation during all of this.

 

[DLgal]

This is what happens when 45% of Americans are obese.

This is what happens to young people who think vaping is a "safe" alternative to smoking.

This is what happens when people ignore the science and think nothing bad can happen to them.

I think our country's statistics on ages hospitalized and dying is going to look VERY different from China, South Korea, and even Italy. Americans are not a healthy bunch, overall.

 

[RamblingMad]

This is what happens when 45% of Americans are obese.

This is what happens to young people who think vaping is a "safe" alternative to smoking.

This is what happens when people ignore the science and think nothing bad can happen to them.

I think our country's statistics on ages hospitalized and dying is going to look VERY different from China, South Korea, and even Italy. Americans are not a healthy bunch, overall.

Men smoke far more in Asia than the US. However, we’re likely to have more diabetic folks that are at risk here.

 

[BrinkofSunshine]

This is sort of what I am seeing. My younger relatives (most of them are in their 20s) are still living life as usual. Posting pictures on Facebook of vacations in New Orleans, for example, in the midst of all this. Going ahead with plans and parties. It's very frustrating to me that they don't take it seriously.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/frust...ing-coronavirus-precautions/story?id=69618912
Plenty of older Americans not taking it seriously either. Very frustrating all the way around.

 

[godisney14]

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[mrodgers]

This - and I think the media is hyping it as a way to try to make younger people take it seriously.

The media couldn't care less. They are hyping it because sensationalization makes huge profit for them.

 

[JoanneAZ]

We have a 44 y/o man, father of two, married that lives in my area hospitalized/on a respirator and going to be put on an "external lung machine" whatever that is. It's very serious for him and no mention that he had any other factors. Heard that on the local news last night.
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If you want the technical medical terms:
A respirator is a Type of mask used to protect people from breathable hazards- anything from dust to fumes to airborne diseases.

A ventilator is a machine that pushes air in and out of the lungs of a person who is unable to breathe for themselves.

An external lung machine is how ECMO is often described. This machine is a lung bypass. The blood is pulled from the body into the machine where carbon dioxide is removed and oxygen is delivered. The machine then pumps the blood back into the patient’s body. This allows a patient’s lungs to rest and, hopefully, recover.

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/treatments/extracorporeal-membrane-oxygenation

 

[Imzadi]

I honestly don't much see the point of your comment and I don't mean that in any mean way because that's like cherry picking some evidence to show something that just isn't true.

I posted it because I think she has the same mentality as the beachers in FL. She's kind of like the poster child of that mentality as she voiced it out loud. Not thinking beyond this being an inconvenience or that this pandemic really affects people beyond just being a number.

The mayor in Hoboken, NJ, had to put the city on lockdown 3 days ago. He said he had walked through the street the night before and saw the restaurants & bars still filled with people. He was so angry & frustrated that people weren't staying home like they were directed to that he then had to institute a curfew and the lockdown.

The problem is that when only one city does a lockdown, the people just go to the next city and carry on, if that's not on lockdown. Just like the beachers on spring break knew the beach wasn't locked down. If they get the Coronavirus, oh well, they'll just be in bed a few days. It will suck. But, they were told they will get over it. They'd rather party & take the risk. And if everyone gets it sooner and at the same time, then everyone (who survives) can go back to their lives sooner than July. Which is also what I think Vanessa's thinking was.

 

[RamblingMad]

I posted it because I think she has the same mentality as the beachers in FL. She's kind of like the poster child of that mentality as she voiced it out loud. Not thinking beyond this being an inconvenience or that this pandemic really affects people beyond just being a number.

The mayor in Hoboken, NJ, had to put the city on lockdown 3 days ago. He said he had walked through the street the night before and saw the restaurants & bars still filled with people. He was so angry & frustrated that people weren't staying home like they were directed to that he then had to institute a curfew and the lockdown.

The problem is that when only one city does a lockdown, the people just go to the next city and carry on, if that's not on lockdown. Just like the beachers on spring break knew the beach wasn't locked down. If they get the Coronavirus, oh well, they'll just be in bed a few days. It will suck. But, they were told they will get over it. They'd rather party & take the risk. And if everyone gets it sooner and at the same time, then everyone (who survives) can go back to their lives sooner than July. Which is also what I think Vanessa's thinking was.

What those kids will learn is about 10% of them that get it will end up in a hospital. And hospitals will prioritize the more at risk patients, so they might not get a bed. It's going to be a big wake up call.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I posted it because I think she has the same mentality as the beachers in FL. She's kind of like the poster child of that mentality as she voiced it out loud.

What you posted before is her random nonsensical comments. Anyone is capable of not taking it seriously regardless of age.

Not thinking beyond this being an inconvenience or that this pandemic really affects people beyond just being a number.

Yes and that's not age related.

The mayor in Hoboken, NJ, had to put the city on lockdown 3 days ago. He said he had walked through the street the night before and saw the restaurants & bars still filled with people. He was so angry & frustrated that people weren't staying home like they were directed to that he then had to institute a curfew and the lockdown.

Sure but we're talking about Spring Breakers in FL. I understand where you're going with that though.

The problem is that when only one city does a lockdown, the people just go to the next city and carry on, if that's not on lockdown. Just like the beachers on spring break knew the beach wasn't locked down. If they get the Coronavirus, oh well, they'll just be in bed a few days. It will suck. But, they were told they will get over it. They'd rather party & take the risk. And if everyone gets it sooner and at the same time, then everyone (who survives) can go back to their lives sooner than July. Which is also what I think Vanessa's thinking was.

It's not even a lockdown. It's starts well before that..limiting the number of people, who gets testing, who should watch out for where they have traveled from, whose schools are closed and not closed, etc It's just how that's going to work. You have counties, cities, states, etc all doing different things. Think about how hard it is to live in a metro that is doing things all differently. I mean sorry you crossed city, county or state lines and now things are vastly different. And that's not necessarily people say rules be damned it's the the rules and suggestions so widly vary.

It's not as easy (though not impossible depending on what measures) as one thinks to corral the entire nation into 1 uniform decision and by nature of how we are we appreciate (normally) that aspect.

I'll spin your comment though phrase it for those considered high risk (especially those of specified older ages) "If they get the Coronavirus, oh well. But, they were told to stay home, they were told they were at an increased risk. They'd rather continue living their lives without taking much precautions & take the risk." I do understand your point regarding the initial storyline being told towards the youth but I don't think that equated to go out and have fun. I think it was just advice was never phrased as "hey you you also need to be careful". You'd have to go to all the health notices sent out for that problem. There's still a lot of confusion on social distancing so it's no wonder people are getting mixed messages even if it seems fairly simple.