Democrats are Unfit for Command

[Paradise]

Pattern here? What does this say? Those who served and those that didn't!

Democrats:

* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.


Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:

* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running
for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared
from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in
Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
in NFL
for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.

* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't
shoot
back.)

 

[denisenh]

Somehow, I am not surprised.

 

[MMouse]

Originally posted by Paradise

* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')

A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of your tailbone that can become infected and filled with pus. At this point it is technically called a pilonidal abscess and looks like a large pimple at the bottom of the tailbone, just above the crack of the buttocks.

Thought you might like the visual...

BTW...From the title I thought, "this post is going to make me mad."

You know the republicans will cry foul and say you misrepresented the facts or something....

 

[we3luvdisney]

You forgot Colin Powel & John McCain

 

[Aprille]

Oh, man! I wish this had been posted before I voted yesterday. I might have changed my mind. NOT!

 

[Sirius]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
You forgot Colin Powel & John McCain

John McCain is there...

 

[rcyannacci]

Originally posted by MMouse
A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of your tailbone that can become infected and filled with pus. At this point it is technically called a pilonidal abscess and looks like a large pimple at the bottom of the tailbone, just above the crack of the buttocks.

Thought you might like the visual...

I'd make one of those rolly laughing smiley men, but I'm just not that DIS savvy. I'm still laughing.

BTW- you're my new favorite DISer

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by MMouse
You know the republicans will cry foul and say you misrepresented the facts or something....

I lean toward the Republican party and would not state you're misrepresting the facts. Facts are facts! However, please read this little tidbit:

Congressman war sign up
Moore lies about congressman's willingness to have offspring in war
By Dave Kopel:
Early in this segment, Moore states that “only one” member of Congress has a child in Iraq. The action of the segment consists of Moore accosting Congressmen to try to convince them to have their children enlist in the military. At the end, Moore declares, “Not a single member of Congress wanted to sacrifice their child for the war in Iraq.”



Moore’s conclusion is technically true, but duplicitous. Of course no-one would want to “sacrifice” his child in any way. But the fact is, Moore's opening ("only one") and his conclusion ("not a single member") are both incorrect. Sergeant Brooks Johnson, the son of South Dakota Democratic Senator Tim Johnson, serves in the 101st Airborne Division and fought in Iraq in 2003. The son of California Republican Representative Duncan Hunter quit his job after September 11, and enlisted in the Marines; his artillery unit was deployed in the heart of insurgent territory in February 2004. Delaware Senator Joseph Biden's son Beau is on active duty; although Beau Biden has no control over he is deployed, he has not been sent to Iraq, and therefore does not "count" for Moore's purposes.

How about Cabinet members? Fahrenheit never raises the issue, because the answer would not fit Moore’s thesis. Attorney General John Ashcroft’s son is on active duty. (Fahrenheit Fact.)

The editing of the Congressional scenes borders on the fraudulent:

….Representative Kennedy (R-MN), one of the lawmakers accosted in Fahrenheit 9/11, was censored by Michael Moore.

According to the Star Tribune, Kennedy, when asked if he would be willing to send his son to Iraq, responded by stating that he had a nephew who was en-route to Afghanistan. He went on to inform Moore that his son was thinking about a career in the navy and that two of his nephews had already served in the armed forces. Kennedy’s side of the conversation, however, was cut from the film, leaving him looking bewildered and defensive.

What was Michael’s excuse for trimming the key segment? Kennedy’s remarks didn’t help his thesis: “He mentioned that he had a nephew that was going over to Afghanistan,” Moore recounted. “So then I said ‘No, no, that’s not our job here today. We want you to send your child to Iraq. Not a nephew.’”

Kennedy lambasted Moore as a “master of the misleading” after viewing the interview in question.



The Link

 

[bsnyder]

Some data on the 108th Congress:

There are 154 Members of the 108th Congress who have had some form of military service, some 14 fewer than in the 107th Congress.

The House has 118 veterans: 70 Republicans and 48 Democrats, including one woman, who is a Republican. In the Senate, 35 Members are veterans: 19 Republicans and 16 Democrats. They have served in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, and Kosovo, and during times of peace, as well as in the Reserves and the National Guard.

Do you see a pattern?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Sirius
John McCain is there...

I stand corrected. However, did I miss General Colin Powell?

 

[Paradise]

Looks like a super majority of the HAWKS were too chicken to serve.

 

[1stNoel]

Originally posted by Aprille
Oh, man! I wish this had been posted before I voted yesterday. I might have changed my mind. NOT!

Ditto. Mailed mine yesterday and while I don't totally agree with all of Kerry's viewpoints, for me there was no other choice this time around.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Some data on the 108th Congress:

There are 154 Members of the 108th Congress who have had some form of military service, some 14 fewer than in the 107th Congress.

The House has 118 veterans: 70 Republicans and 48 Democrats, including one woman, who is a Republican. In the Senate, 35 Members are veterans: 19 Republicans and 16 Democrats. They have served in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, and Kosovo, and during times of peace, as well as in the Reserves and the National Guard.

Do you see a pattern?

Wait a minute --- according to the OP, there are more Democrats that served in the military than Republicans. Democrats would not lie, would they? By the way, which party tries to build up the military and improve their quality of living?

 

[orvilleair]

More Veteran Governors are Republican too.

John Edwards, Al Sharpton, Carol Mosey Braun, Joe Leiberman, Dennis Kuchinich?

Talk radio.
Liddy was a Korean Vet but I don't even know if he has a show anymore.

Al Franken?

 

[LisaZoe]

Originally posted by MMouse
BTW...From the title I thought, "this post is going to make me mad."

Same here. I almost didn't open it because I just didn't have the energy to work on a rebuttal - I'm so glad I did open it, though.

For all you Kerry supporters, drop by this thread and introduce yourselves. It's a fun thread and we're having a little friendly competition with the Bush thread to get the most posters.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=664364

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by orvilleair
More Veteran Governors are Republican too.

John Edwards, Al Sharpton, Carol Mosey Braun, Joe Leiberman, Dennis Kuchinich?

Talk radio.
Liddy was a Korean Vet but I don't even know if he has a show anymore.

Al Franken?

I was just about to post the governors, it's close, but the Republicans have the edge....

Republican Governors who are veterans:

Governor Frank H. Murkowski of Alaska
Governor Sonny Perdue of Georgia
Governor Rick Perry of Texas
Governor Ernie Fletcher of Kentucky

Democrat Governors who are veterans:

Governor Joseph E. Kernan of Indiana
Governor Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania
Governor Ted Kulongoski of Oregon

 

[bsnyder]

And on your "preachers and pundits" list, since when is Chris Matthews a Republican?

ROTFLMAO at the OP and this lame thread.

 

[we3luvdisney]

BTW --- Does this mean anyone who did not serve in our military cannot run for President? Or is this a prerequisite?

 

[we3luvdisney]

Did you know ....

12 presidents did not serve in the military---John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Van Buren, Polk, Taft, Wilson, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, FDR and Clinton. Cleveland actually paid someone to fight in his place during the Civil War which was legal and not all that unusual at the time--a kind of pay as you go family deferment).

Of the 30 who served all were officers but James Buchanan who was a Private.
3 rose to the highest rank
General of the Army (5 Stars) - Washington, Grant and Eisenhower
5 Major Generals (2 Stars)
4 Brigadier Generals (1 Star)
3 Colonels
1 Lt Colonel
7 Majors (Navy=Lt. Commander)
2 Captains
4 1st Lieutenants (Navy - Lt. JG)

Andrew Jackson was the youngest to enlist. He joined the South Carolina militia at 13.

23 served in the Army, 6 in the Navy and 1 in the Air Force.

15 saw action in combat.

2 pilots - H. Bush and son W Bush
1 submariner, Carter.

2 graduated from West Point Military Academy - Grant and Eisenhower
1 from Annapolis Naval Academy - Carter.

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

The page you got your statistics from is not biased at all. http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html


You forgot a few

Senator John Edwards
No military service.



Clinton's Foreign Policy team

Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State
No military service.

Strobe Talbott, Deputy Secretary of State
No military service.

William Cohen, Secretary of Defense
No military service.

John Hamre, Deputy Secretary of Defense
No military service.

George Tenet, CIA Director
No military service.

Sandy Berger, National Security Advisor
No military service.

Former Vice President Al Gore
U.S. Army journalist, Vietnam.


Also

Hilary Rodham Clinton, Senator (D-NY)
No military service.

Wolf Bilzter, CNN News anchor
No military service.

Tom Brokaw, NBC News anchor
No military service.

Alan Colmes, Hannity & Colmes host
No military service.

Al Franken, Political satirist
No military service.

Michael Moore, Political satirist, filmmaker
No military service.

Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
U.S. Army Reserve. (He later tried the USMC but did not complete boot camp.)

Tim Russert, Meet the Press host
No military service.

Jon Stewart, Daily Show host
No military service.

George Stephanopoulos, ABC This Week host
No military service.



Bush's Foreign Policy team

Colin Powell, Secretary of State
US Army, 35-year career, Vietnam, rose to the rank of 4-star general.

Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State
U.S. Navy, Naval Academy, 3 combat tours in Vietnam.






Also

Former President Gerald Ford
U.S. Navy, WWII, Lieutenant Commander.

Former President George H. W. Bush
U.S. Navy, pilot, WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.

Former Vice President Dan Quayle
U.S. Army, Indiana National Guard.

Tom Ridge, Director Homeland Security
U.S. Army, Vietnam, Bronze Star for Valor.


John McCain, Senator (R-AZ)
U.S. Navy, Naval Academy, Pilot, Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Chuck Hagel, Senator (R-NE)
U.S. Army, two Purple Hearts, Bronze Star, Vietnam