Debt Advice Desperately Needed....Please!

I understand where you're coming from, BUT at the same time, if I were in the OP's shoes and I saw everything slipping away, I would have a hard time justifying "throwing away" the value of the vacation lodging. So is there a way to recoup that? How about offering the room to a friend who'd pay you a portion of what it's worth? Cash in hand would be pretty valuable right now.

I agree with you. It would stink to have to not go to WDW when your lodging is a sunk cost (if it actually is - I don't know enough about DVC to know what the OP's options are). But if you have five kids and are thinking of canceling life insurance, and you have $50 per week to feed 7 people, then spending even $30 for a tank of gas when you don't have to is not a choice I would make. I would hate to lose the value of that trip, but I'd hate even more to spend money I don't have to pay for the other costs of that trip, particularly if I was unemployed and behind on my mortgage. I just can't fathom taking the trip, even if the place to stay is essentially free. Even if every meal is cooked at the villa (which would be hard to do if you are going with friends who don't know your financial situation), the week at WDW will still cost more than a week of eating at home. Not to mention the time away from the job search, which should be all-consuming at this point in time.

If things are as dire as the OP has presented, I'd be watching EVERY penny.
 
I agree with you. It would stink to have to not go to WDW when your lodging is a sunk cost (if it actually is - I don't know enough about DVC to know what the OP's options are). .


The only thing I can figure is the OP might be supplying accommodations to family and friends on these points which would make it difficult to cancel out at this late date.

Other than the scenario above, I can not understand the OP continuing with plans to go on the vacation next week when they had already been in mortgage forbearance for 90 days. It tells me that up 'til recently she may have been in denial or maybe just hoping something would come through that would turn their situation around?... I am really sorry the OP is having to deal with this situation...

Prior to 31 days before the vacation, they could have canceled the reservation and then rented the points to someone else--generally points that are not distressed can be rented for at least $10.00 a point. Within 30 days, there are a couple of options. One is the rent trade board on the DIS where the actual reservation could have been rented (OP changes the name on the ressie) This would have made the transaction completed in short order. Another option the OP still has is she could cancel the reservation up to T-1 day and rent the points to someone for a reservation within 60 days. This would make it more of a challenge (and she might have to rent the points at a discount), but not impossible.

(However, if the contract is for sale the rental deal would have to be complete by the closing date because all pending reservations are canceled when the contract is sold )

I wish the OP the best--I hope for a quick sale at a good price (and a new job, too)... While cash in an emergency fund might have been more liquid, from one standpoint, it is good the OP has an asset she can sell and get some cash flow to keep things running for a while.
 
I'll bite; does anybody have a link to the boxofrain thread???

DH and I agree that if he ever lost his job the DVC would be on the market the next day.

It would break our heart, but it absolutely would be first on the chopping block. Good for the OP for having the courage to sell it.
 
Any temporary work would negate my unemployment. If it was for three or more months in length that would be fine but a two week assignment is not worth losing unemployment for. So I am looking for anything that is for three months or longer and for more than the unemployment would pay including my childcare and gas. Trust me I have run all the numbers on that one! :surfweb:
Sorry if this has already been commented on, but I would double check the unemployment laws in your state. I was on unemployment for a while last year in NY, and was able to do part time work and still collect benefits. In NY, you just have to work less than 3 days in a week & make less than your unemployment benefit for the week in order to still get partial benefits for that week. So you can work part time and still collect partial unemployment benefits. (In NY it's based on the number of days you work - if you work for 1 day, you get 75% of your weekly benefit, 2 days you get 50%, 3 days you get 25%.) You can also work a full week & not claim benefits for that week, then resume claiming benefits the next week, as long as you have not returned to work full time.
 

Wow! Finally managed to read through the whole thread. I just have one question to ask the OP: Are you related to Boxofrain?

Are you serious? Boxofrain's husband was having an affair and leaving her... what would make you think these two are the same/related?

Also I read that boxofrains' threads were deleted.... don't know if that's true but someone posted on the Community board that she will post again soon to update.
 
I am (or was) in your position recently. I lost my job last October and still have not found another so I feel your pain. My DH is on Soc Sec so at least we have "basic" income. You mentioned 401K. I know you're not supposed to cash those in but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Instead of garage sales, have you thought of Ebay? I used to be a caseworker for welfare and unless things have changed drastically, your home and one car is exempt from the $2000 limit. Unfortuantely, your DVC's are going to put you over - Sorry.
 
Sorry if this has already been commented on, but I would double check the unemployment laws in your state. I was on unemployment for a while last year in NY, and was able to do part time work and still collect benefits. In NY, you just have to work less than 3 days in a week & make less than your unemployment benefit for the week in order to still get partial benefits for that week. So you can work part time and still collect partial unemployment benefits. (In NY it's based on the number of days you work - if you work for 1 day, you get 75% of your weekly benefit, 2 days you get 50%, 3 days you get 25%.) You can also work a full week & not claim benefits for that week, then resume claiming benefits the next week, as long as you have not returned to work full time.

Unfortunately, Florida is to put it bluntly backwards on unemployment. After the first $45 you make you lose dollar for dollar your unemployment. You can continue claiming weeks to stretch out the time of UE by supplementing with a part-time but I understand the OP in this. The max UE benefit in Florida is $275/week. Florida's UE system has been criticized for not including part-time workers, having a low pay-out amount and its formula for calculating your benefit year.
 
I have read through this entire thread and commented a couple of times, too. I myself was hired for my current job while on vacation at Disney World. Actually I was waiting on Main Street for the parade to start. I had a phone interview, and my current boss said, anybody who vacations in Disney World and carries a cell phone for a job possibility is okay in his book. :thumbsup2

With regards to the OP $35,000 credit card debt that many people have advised her not to pay on. I think this is outrageous advice and one of the main reasons why my credit cards rates are increasing. :mad: Now, I do carry some credit card debt, but always pay more than the minimum owed. So, because of this and the fact that my balances are declining because I am not charging, I'm paying more the the minimum due and people are defaulting right a left on their credit card balalnces, I have got to pay the price for being good managing my debt. I am not picking on the OP only, as my now deceased father-in-law racked up thousands of dollars of debt on credit cards, never paid on them and figured that somebody else would pay them. Well, he died and now they are trying to collect from his meager estate (his house). :cool2:
 
I have read through this entire thread and commented a couple of times, too. I myself was hired for my current job while on vacation at Disney World. Actually I was waiting on Main Street for the parade to start. I had a phone interview, and my current boss said, anybody who vacations in Disney World and carries a cell phone for a job possibility is okay in his book. :thumbsup2

With regards to the OP $35,000 credit card debt that many people have advised her not to pay on. I think this is outrageous advice and one of the main reasons why my credit cards rates are increasing. :mad: Now, I do carry some credit card debt, but always pay more than the minimum owed. So, because of this and the fact that my balances are declining because I am not charging, I'm paying more the the minimum due and people are defaulting right a left on their credit card balalnces, I have got to pay the price for being good managing my debt. I am not picking on the OP only, as my now deceased father-in-law racked up thousands of dollars of debt on credit cards, never paid on them and figured that somebody else would pay them. Well, he died and now they are trying to collect from his meager estate (his house). :cool2:

Sorry to hear about your FIL. What is the *law* about who's responsible for CC debt that is left by deceased family? That might be scary for alot of people! And I think thats a huge part of this whole credit crisis in America.
 
Sorry to hear about your FIL. What is the *law* about who's responsible for CC debt that is left by deceased family? That might be scary for alot of people! And I think thats a huge part of this whole credit crisis in America.

I'm not a lawyer or anything but I "think" the estate is responsible for any debts the deceased has. If there is not enough in the estate to satisfy the creditors it's just written off.
 
With regards to the OP $35,000 credit card debt that many people have advised her not to pay on. I think this is outrageous advice and one of the main reasons why my credit cards rates are increasing. :mad: Now, I do carry some credit card debt, but always pay more than the minimum owed. So, because of this and the fact that my balances are declining because I am not charging, I'm paying more the the minimum due and people are defaulting right a left on their credit card balalnces, I have got to pay the price for being good managing my debt. I am not picking on the OP only, as my now deceased father-in-law racked up thousands of dollars of debt on credit cards, never paid on them and figured that somebody else would pay them. Well, he died and now they are trying to collect from his meager estate (his house). :cool2:

Although I agree with the cause and effect - and I can rant with the best of them on "irresponsible behavior that led to our current economic crisis by banks, the government, and individuals," you can't get blood from a stone. If they have seen two good incomes go down to one barely above Florida's low unemployment compensation check and are, as seems likely - upside down in their mortgage - they may not have a lot of options.

I'd try hard to avoid bankruptcy and foreclosure, but I suspect that at least one or the other is on the horizon for them if things are as tough as she portrays them - possibly (and probably) both if a job for her doesn't appear quickly. She's decided to try and keep the foreclosure wolf at bay by inviting in the spectre of bankruptcy - not an unreasonable decision for someone with a family.
 
I'm not a lawyer or anything but I "think" the estate is responsible for any debts the deceased has. If there is not enough in the estate to satisfy the creditors it's just written off.

I'm not sure. My mom had serious cc debt when she died. She left a will and after the will was probated and paid to my dad, me and my siblings that was it. A few companies called and we politely defered them to my dad's attorney.

Bloomingdales and talbots actually sent flowers and a condolense card, that's how good a customer she was. :laughing:
 
Sorry to hear about your FIL. What is the *law* about who's responsible for CC debt that is left by deceased family? That might be scary for alot of people! And I think thats a huge part of this whole credit crisis in America.


Well, I think it depends of if there is enough of an estate to probate (more than $600,000 in assets) and then it has to go through the court and all bills are paid before anybody inherits any money. In my FIL's case, there was only his house left (with unpaid taxes two years in a row) and a small IRA left. If the CC companies acted fast enough, they can put a lean on the property or bank accounts. The CC companies cannot go after a surviving member of the family, unless they were listed on the original credit card bill and having an ability to charge on it. My MIL was listed on the CC bills, so after my FIL died, they went after her, but she was in a nursing home at the time and died a short time after my FIL. So, the CC companies are out of luck. Just one example of why my fees and interest rates are going up ... to pay for irresponsible people living above their means. :cool2:
 
Well, I think it depends of if there is enough of an estate to probate (more than $600,000 in assets) and then it has to go through the court and all bills are paid before anybody inherits any money. In my FIL's case, there was only his house left (with unpaid taxes two years in a row) and a small IRA left. If the CC companies acted fast enough, they can put a lean on the property or bank accounts. The CC companies cannot go after a surviving member of the family, unless they were listed on the original credit card bill and having an ability to charge on it. My MIL was listed on the CC bills, so after my FIL died, they went after her, but she was in a nursing home at the time and died a short time after my FIL. So, the CC companies are out of luck. Just one example of why my fees and interest rates are going up ... to pay for irresponsible people living above their means. :cool2:


I am a little confused. You are complaining about your FIL being irresponsible and the rest of the country having to pay for him but you expect "the credit card companies to act fast enough" if they want to get their money. Who is getting the residual on the house (after taxes) and who is getting the IRA? The family member who is taking that money without first paying your FIL's rightful debts is the irresponsible person. His assets should pay his debt before anyone family member gets anything. Just because the estate was below $600,000 doesn't mean the heirs get to be irresponsible.
 
I am a little confused. You are complaining about your FIL being irresponsible and the rest of the country having to pay for him but you expect "the credit card companies to act fast enough" if they want to get their money. Who is getting the residual on the house (after taxes) and who is getting the IRA? The family member who is taking that money without first paying your FIL's rightful debts is the irresponsible person. His assets should pay his debt before anyone family member gets anything. Just because the estate was below $600,000 doesn't mean the heirs get to be irresponsible.

After the estate (house) and IRA paid for MIL's nursing home bill, there is nothing left to split up anyway. Heirs are not being irresponsible. Credit card companies are out, hence my rates go up. Heating company and electric company are also out a lot of money so my rates go up too. The FIL was downright irresponsible with his money, just like lots of other people in today's world. Somebody has got to start practicing responsibility. :cool2:
 
I'm not sure. My mom had serious cc debt when she died. She left a will and after the will was probated and paid to my dad, me and my siblings that was it. A few companies called and we politely defered them to my dad's attorney.

Bloomingdales and talbots actually sent flowers and a condolense card, that's how good a customer she was. :laughing:

I handled my Mom's estate after she passed away in 1998. I called each of her creditors to get the payoff balance so I could settle her accounts. When I called QVC they were the only creditor that wrote off her balance. The rep said they don't want to leave the burden on the family. Gotta love QVC!
 
I have read through this entire thread and commented a couple of times, too. I myself was hired for my current job while on vacation at Disney World. Actually I was waiting on Main Street for the parade to start. I had a phone interview, and my current boss said, anybody who vacations in Disney World and carries a cell phone for a job possibility is okay in his book. :thumbsup2

With regards to the OP $35,000 credit card debt that many people have advised her not to pay on. I think this is outrageous advice and one of the main reasons why my credit cards rates are increasing. :mad: Now, I do carry some credit card debt, but always pay more than the minimum owed. So, because of this and the fact that my balances are declining because I am not charging, I'm paying more the the minimum due and people are defaulting right a left on their credit card balalnces, I have got to pay the price for being good managing my debt. I am not picking on the OP only, as my now deceased father-in-law racked up thousands of dollars of debt on credit cards, never paid on them and figured that somebody else would pay them. Well, he died and now they are trying to collect from his meager estate (his house). :cool2:
I agree that saying she shouldn't pay is unbelievable to me. I can't believe the number of people who think it is just fine to file bankruptcy. As long as she has a 401k and DVC - I think she should be responsible for that debt!
 
Although I agree with the cause and effect - and I can rant with the best of them on "irresponsible behavior that led to our current economic crisis by banks, the government, and individuals," you can't get blood from a stone. If they have seen two good incomes go down to one barely above Florida's low unemployment compensation check and are, as seems likely - upside down in their mortgage - they may not have a lot of options.

I'd try hard to avoid bankruptcy and foreclosure, but I suspect that at least one or the other is on the horizon for them if things are as tough as she portrays them - possibly (and probably) both if a job for her doesn't appear quickly. She's decided to try and keep the foreclosure wolf at bay by inviting in the spectre of bankruptcy - not an unreasonable decision for someone with a family.

Its clear you and blondietink are under some huge misconceptions on the credit market actually works. I say this because of the simplistic black and white explanation offered by blondietink and you seem to agree with. This is a complex matter with shades of gray... not some simple black and white issue.

Consumers have defaulted on credit, been late with payments, etc for decades. It is a SMALL component of the whole financial mess that we are in... it is but one of MANY MANY MANY factors causing this problem.... a perfect financial storm. If the other factors weren't present, then your rates would not go up (maybe).

First of all, rates go up for 4 reasons in these cases... 1) THe fed raises rates (not the case right now) 2) The criteria for risk has increased due to all the stuff from last Sept-Oct... even if you have good credit... maybe because the amount of debt you have or your income, whatever, but due to factors you can control, the CC companies felt you are now a bigger gamble and bumped you up. 3) 2 is a part of it, as is three. The big problem was the large banks and investment houses who were able to buy up debt (your home loan, your school loan, etc) in ways that were extremely risky with no oversite or regulation. That debt is traded just like gold, silver, stocks, bonds, etc. Because of the lack of regulation, the banks and investment companies who bought this debt got over extended. Now as the balloon payments on mortgages became due for a lot of homeloans, foreclosures started happening. Yes, these people bought homes they couldn't afford because hyper agressive mortgage brokers pushed them heavily into it. That and the fact that there was no real regulation of the industry started the ball rolling. Had those Balloon payments, Interest only loans, etc been either not allowed or regulated, this might have been prevented. The invest house and banks who had bought this debt like Lehman Bros, Like AIG, etc and over extended themselves (Like a gambler who hits a lucky streak, bets it all plus his life savings and rolls snake eyes) start to fail because of all this mounting worthless investments. A few early ones were bailed out... THEN we come to Lehman Bros. Lehman Bros failing really was the straw that broke the camel's back. While many banks were tightening up their lending, when Lehman was allowed to fail, many of the big banks shut down lending all together. If banks don't lend, then businesses who rely on that money to subsidize until cash flow comes in, all of a sudden don't have that well to rely on. For example, with my business, I had a line of credit that I used to pay payroll and other expenses and then would pay off when the receivables came in. Those businesses went under or laid people off. Laid off people can't afford to pay their debt and then declare bankruptcy or don't pay. Same with the businesses. So the credit card companies are afraid to lend out money, just like the banks... they raise rates in light of their new increased risk and to hopefully generate additional income. Ironically, this makes matters worse and a FREEZE should have been placed on interest rates, but that didn't happen because the CC and Bank lobbyists have a lot more money than we the people do. The new credit card reform bill will help, but not in all the ways it needs too and not until 2010.
This was the reason for the bail out money... Give the banks an influx of cash so they would start lending again, which starts the wheel turning.


As you can see, its not as simple as people not paying a $35,000 debt because they can't afford it. That's not why your rates rose... rather its a sympton, just like them not being able to pay. The fault for this really goes back to Greenspan who was very anti-regulation and never properly regulated the mortgage market, allowing the big real estate boom, but also allowing this mess to happen. Its not solely his fault... the;s just the lynchpin.
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This is the SIMPLISTIC explanation, BTW. As I said, this is not just black and white. There are MANY MANY detailed explanations on the web... try Paul Krugman, Dean Baker, Joe Stiglitz... Krugman and Stiglitz are Nobel Prize Winners. They will REALLY go into nuts and bolts. Both Dry, but interesting.
 
Well that's just it -- it won't help her situation to cancel THIS trip, but I'm willing to be some people are just livid at the thought she will even be in the vincinity of WDW when she should be at home self-flagellating.

Yes, it will help her situation to cancel this trip.

It will give her another week of trying to fix the situation right where she is.
It will be another week of job searching, yard sale set-up, calling her creditors and the timeshare resale folks and actively working to improve her situation.

That is what I said pages ago, and I still stand by it.

Even if she's out the points, you do not save money by using past mistakes as an excuse to spend any more - no matter how small the amount.

A tank of gas devoted to fun is one tank of gas more than she can afford. Gift cards that can be used for Disney groceries can be used at home.

This is NOT about punishing the OP for many posters, including myself.

She can self-flagellate all she likes and I don't care. What I do care about is the idea that her kids will be hungry in a very short time, if they are not already.

Help was needed when the OP first posted. She seemed unaware of the magnitude of her financial crisis. To some of us, she still seems unwilling to make the necessary changes that this requires.

Disney trips are not a need - ever. :mad:

Knowing that, and posting it, does not reflect a cruelty of the part of a poster.
 


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