Debates Don't Always Reveal Character.

DawnCt1

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This was an op ed piece in the WSJ yesterday. Admiral Stockdale, as many of you may remember, was Perot's running mate in 1992. He looked uncomfortable and out of place; obviously not used to the spot light which was suddenly thrust upon him. This is a small part of his story as seen through the eyes of his daughter. He was a true hero.


Debates Don't Always Reveal Character
My father was a model American.
By TAYLOR B. STOCKDALE



As Sarah Palin and Joe Biden prepare for Thursday's vice presidential debate, I am pulled back to the last time an unknown candidate appeared on the national stage in such a forum. It was 1992, when my father (John McCain's senior officer in Vietnam), Adm. James B. Stockdale, appeared on stage to debate Al Gore and Dan Quayle.

Anyone over 30 will probably remember the spectacle. Messrs. Gore and Quayle were engaged in a bitter battle when, late in the race, my father accepted Ross Perot's invitation to be his running mate. That decision created a rare, three person vice-presidential debate.

In an attempt to introduce himself to the American people, my father began with the philosophical questions "Who am I? Why am I here?" But as the evening wore on, he struggled.

Watching that debate from the front row in Atlanta was a surreal experience. My father, a bona fide war hero, was trying to adapt to a format of discourse utterly foreign to him.

The debate hall was noisy, hot and nasty. My mom took a bad fall just before coming out to sit down. She, the strongest woman I know, broke into tears as she was overcome with emotion. Her four sons tried to console her.

Messrs. Gore and Quayle had arrived with armies of political handlers and were sequestered in large, lavish rooms to prepare for their one night to show each other up. My dad arrived with his family and one coach at the last minute. We were put in an RV just off the stage.

Dad entered the race reluctantly, and only due to the deep gratitude he had for the aid Mr. Perot extended to him and my mom while he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

As everyone saw that evening, he was not a politician. He was a fighter-pilot ace, a Medal of Honor recipient, and a wonderful dad and human being. During his eight years as a POW, he slit his scalp and beat his face with a stool to prevent his captors from parading him in the streets for propaganda purposes. He gave starving men his food rations when he himself was starving. And at home, after his release in 1973, he was a respected leader, scholar and writer. He considered himself a philosopher.

He studied the Greeks -- specifically Epictetus, an ancient slave and stoic who espoused the idea that individuals have free will and absolute autonomy over all matters within their control. He believed we must not wallow in self-pity when the chips are down, but rather recognize that we have the power to choose how to respond to everything.

My father adopted this philosophy while a graduate student at Stanford University in the early 1960s. So he never took pity on himself -- ever. Not as a POW when he was tortured, forced to wear leg irons and to live in solitary confinement. And not after the debate. He knew he had put himself into that arena.

And yet on this particular evening in 1992, the country saw someone who looked confused and weak. Without knowing who he was or what he did for his country, most Americans turned off their TV sets and formed an opinion of him based on a 90-minute debate.

So while Mrs. Palin's background and political acumen are completely different from my father's, she and her family are going through an experience I recognize. They are trying to define themselves in a short time-span, within a loaded political context.

From personal experience, I doubt if someone can really be known in this type of atmosphere, and I empathize with her family members who suddenly have to explain things that shouldn't need explanation.

As for my dad, this will mark the first vice presidential debate since he died in 2005. I've wanted to write about it for a long time, but he wouldn't let me. Now I want to set the record straight: He was an example of what this country should be all about.

Mr. Stockdale, the son of Adm. James B. Stockdale, is assistant head of the Webb Schools in Claremont, Calif.
 
What is this Dawn? A pre-emptive admittance of defeat in tomorrows VP debate?
 
I always thought he was an amazing person and greatly admired him.
 

What is this Dawn? A pre-emptive admittance of defeat in tomorrows VP debate?

I was going to ask the same thing. :laughing: Worried already, Dawn?

Its an article that none of us would have read until this time, and the timing is only important because it gave his daughter an opportunity to tell us why he was there in the first place, and why a man, who looked so ill at ease and out of his element chose to be there and struggled the way that he did under the lights and the attention. I think Palin will do just fine, and you would be mistaken to search for any other motive in my posting it. This article is only about Admiral Stockdale and it is long overdue; 16 years overdue, and I am glad his daughter stepped forward. He was quite a man.
 
He was an amazing man and did amazing things during the war. But make no mistake: these debates are job interviews with the American Public.

"War Hero" isn't necessarily on the list of needed skills. Neither is "Mayor of small town" nor "Governor of few people". We recently elected a "Governor of many people" who failed in every business he owned and fled from the Vietnam War behind his father's political contacts.

Hopefully the majority of the country is a little smarter now and has learned from that experience.

In the meantime, I'll be watching Thursday's VP interview and anxiously awaiting the 2nd interview with the Presidential candidates coming up.
 
Here you go Dawn. A most useful gift for you.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. My only surprise, Dawn, was that you'd post something that would so obviously be perceived as a surrender on your part.

As it is, no one ever questioned Admiral Stockdale's character. The issue was his readiness to serve the specific role he was running for. Admiral Stockdale never made excuses for his performance at the debate, and it is shameful that his son decided to after he died.
 
Dawn. I just wanted to add that I have had season tickets for the NY Jets for twenty five years......so I totally empathize with you.
even after Brett Favres wonderful performance this past week; I know that ultimately the Jets will come up short this year.
So don't feel bad, you're not alone and it gets much easier over time.
 
Here you go Dawn. A most useful gift for you.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. My only surprise, Dawn, was that you'd post something that would so obviously be perceived as a surrender on your part.

As it is, no one ever questioned Admiral Stockdale's character. The issue was his readiness to serve the specific role he was running for. Admiral Stockdale never made excuses for his performance at the debate, and it is shameful that his son decided to after he died.

Keep your flag; you're gonna need it! Bicker, things aren't always as they appear. I don't think that "excuses were made", I think it was an opportunity for his son, whom I assumed was a daughter (based on the name) to tell the other side of the story. I would find it a touching story, no matter who it was about.
 
Keep your flag; you're gonna need it! Bicker, things aren't always as they appear. I don't think that "excuses were made", I think it was an opportunity for his son, whom I assumed was a daughter (based on the name) to tell the other side of the story. I would find it a touching story, no matter who it was about.

(As Dandy Don sings)
"turn out the liiiiights, the party's oooooooover!

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I remember that race. I liked Ross Perot but was really confused why anyone would cast a vote for a person who couldn't possibly win due to our 2 party political system. I mean the electoral college actually seats the President and can, albeit rarely, go against public opinion... but I do not think they can vote for anyone outside of the 2 main parties.

But back to Admiral Stockdale, I for one just loved that guys insolence. I loved watching him pace that stage because it drew attention to just how make believe the whole production actually was in reality. Adm. Stockdale seemed to be the only genuine person on that stage because he was as disgusted with the pomp and circumstance as I was.

Oh, and remember when he turned off his hearing aid, that was awesome! I just sat there speechless for a few seconds and then :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: it was the absolute best comeback I've ever seen. I've got a rebellious streak a mile wide and Admiral Stockdale is my hero:goodvibes .

I missed the article, but thanks for sharing it. Maybe someone running for office will show some personality soon, they are all just so very bleah
 
Bicker, things aren't always as they appear. I don't think that "excuses were made"
Here are the lines I was referring to, which read as excuses:

"My father, a bona fide war hero, was trying to adapt to a format of discourse utterly foreign to him."

"The debate hall was noisy, hot and nasty."

"My mom took a bad fall just before coming out to sit down."

"My dad arrived with his family and one coach at the last minute."

"We were put in an RV just off the stage."

"Dad entered the race reluctantly..."

I think it was an opportunity for his son, whom I assumed was a daughter (based on the name)
Taylor is indeed Admiral Stockdale's son.

to tell the other side of the story. I would find it a touching story, no matter who it was about.
From "He was a fighter-pilot ace..." until "...to live in solitary confinement", surely. The first half was a bunch of excuses about Admiral Stockdale's performance, and the final quarter included excuses-in-advance for Palin.
 
So the Rebulicans who mocked Obama in the first Presidential debate, talked about his "unreadiness" and that he "doesn't get it" now are saying that debates don't really show a person's true character and may not be that inmportant....hmmm.
 
Since you brought up Perot/Stockdale, would anyone like to discuss what Perot thinks about McCain. It isn't favorable.
 
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. My only surprise, Dawn, was that you'd post something that would so obviously be perceived as a surrender on your part.

As it is, no one ever questioned Admiral Stockdale's character. The issue was his readiness to serve the specific role he was running for. Admiral Stockdale never made excuses for his performance at the debate, and it is shameful that his son decided to after he died.



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Here are the lines I was referring to, which read as excuses:

"My father, a bona fide war hero, was trying to adapt to a format of discourse utterly foreign to him."

"The debate hall was noisy, hot and nasty."

"My mom took a bad fall just before coming out to sit down."

"My dad arrived with his family and one coach at the last minute."

"We were put in an RV just off the stage."

"Dad entered the race reluctantly..."

Taylor is indeed Admiral Stockdale's son.

From "He was a fighter-pilot ace..." until "...to live in solitary confinement", surely. The first half was a bunch of excuses about Admiral Stockdale's performance, and the final quarter included excuses-in-advance for Palin.

The only thing that you have posted that I agree with, is that Taylor is Admiral Stockdale's son, married to Sybil. The rest are your conclusions.
 


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