Debate: Vice President Hillary ?

wvrevy

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The report below is from Drudge, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt roughly the size of the rock of Gibralter, but it does bring up an interesting possibility. (Personally, I like the idea...It would help to energize the democratic base and the people who "wouldn't vote for her" wouldn't have voted for Kerry anyway.)

(BTW...The article is printed as it appears on the site, poor grammer and all...Don't blame me for it ;) )
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JUNE 30, 2004 11:18:25 ET XXXXX

VICE PRESIDENT HILLARY; SPECULATION INTENSIFIES IN WASHINGTON

Official Washington and the entire press corps will be rocked when Hillary Rodham Clinton is picked as Kerry's VP and a massive love fest will begin!

So predicts a top D.C. insider, who spoke to the DRUDGE REPORT on condition he not be named.

"All the signs point in her direction," said the insider, one of the most influential and well-placed in the nation's capital. "It is the solution to every Kerry problem."

"There are three issues that this campaign will be decided on -- national security, health care, and the economy, not necessarily in that order."

"Kerry believes that no one is better on national security than he is, he served in Vietnam after all, so he has that covered and the suggestion that he needs to strengthen the ticket with someone who has national security credentials is dismissed as foolish."

The insider continues: "The Democrats feel like health care is the domestic issue. But how to make it the dominant topic of conversation -- break through war and terrorism? Hillary Clinton. She catapults it out front with her commission. She tried to provide health care before and the Republicans in congress attacked her and her husband and used a bunch of scandals dirty tricks to stop it, we know they are scandals and dirty tricks because the former president book says so. So now you have the number two person on the ticket who is a 'health care expert' and what will Republicans do? Attack on health care pointing to her commission saying that it was government medicine. Her response -- it wasn't, and the Republicans are a bunch of dirty tricksters, "Liars and Crooks," as Kerry calls them, and its been too long and Democrats wont let the Republicans do it to them again. By the way, it puts prescription drugs on the back burner, the Republicans health care ace. You will have a fully engaged national debate on health care from now until the election."

"The Democrats economic plan is to say Bush sucks, it's never enough, we must get back to the Clinton Era when 22 million jobs were created. You can't do much better at making that point then-- Kerry/Clinton 2004.

"But what about impeachment and Monica -- wont that overshadow her being picked? It' now been covered in the book. Not only that, but she is a women scorned who has dealt with what so many American women deal with and stuck it out to keep her family together. And Whitewater? It's in the book. Vince Foster? Book. Billing records, White House travel Office? Book, book. All have been covered. All Republican slime tactics.

"Why would Kerry make such a public spectacle about trying to get John Mccain, wont whoever you pick be considered a second choice. Not if it is Hillary!

"There are differences of opinion about how this election will be won but one school says its all about the base. Republicans are bumping up against the ceiling with support from their base and Democrats are sitting on the floor. This would change that.

"Official Washington and national media will fall in love with the idea immediately letting Kerry/Clinton dominate the news through July and up to the Republican convention. She will say she is doing it for the good of the country. I am convinced this is going to happen."

"But what Hillary about having to wait to run for president? If Bush wins then she is the nominee for 2008 because it will be all Kerry's fault. If she wins she is the first woman VP of the United States, which would help her become the first woman president of the U.S. It would be historic in its own right and change the nature of politics in this country, and mark her place in the history books for ever-- a different history than her husbands."
 
It would be nice to have a woman as a VP. I'm tired of all of this males dominant in office B.S.!;)
 
The main reason I don't think she would do it is because if Kerry does win, she has to wait eight years to run for President. If she stays off his ticket, she can challenge him in 2008.
 
Originally posted by cheyita
The main reason I don't think she would do it is because if Kerry does win, she has to wait eight years to run for President. If she stays off his ticket, she can challenge him in 2008.
Yes, but as it says in the article, if Kerry wins, she'd be the first woman VP (which is, in itself, historic), and it would likely make her run for president that much easier if she was running as that rather than as a senator.

I have to admit, the idea really does intrigue me from a political strategy standpoint.
 

Originally posted by wvrevy
The report below is from Drudge, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt roughly the size of the rock of Gibralter,

:rotfl:


I seriously doubt that Senator Clinton is under any kind of consideration for VP at this point.

However, I'm quite sure she has aspirations for the presidency at some point in the future and for this I'm quite glad!

I totally agree with Minniepumpernickel that we need more women in office. And what a better office to have a woman in than the Oval Office! ::yes::
 
I, for one, am all for MORE women involvement in politics.

I'll reserve my feelings about Hillary for another time. ;)
 
Of course, they do say that VP picks often come from "out of no where." And the Kerry campaign is being very quiet about all of the talks at this point.

But then again, even though the campaign has been hush-hush, the media still announces that so-and-so is "being reviewed" or that so-and-so is being interviewed.

If Senator Clinton was under consideration wouldn't the press have some evidence of it?
 
As a Democrat, I say PLEASE NO!

I hold her responsible for the Bush presidency. Follow me: Bill Clinton puts Hillary in charge of coming up with a health care plan, which was a fiasco. Give me a break - although she is very capable, she was the First Lady and was not elected or appointed to anything. This gives rise to the great Republican victories of 1994. In Texas we had a very well liked Democratic Governor, Ann Richards, running against a totally inexperienced baseball team owner named George W. Bush. Amazingly, Bush was swept into office in the backlash against Hillary and her health plan. So that gives Bush his "political experience" and an office from which to run for President, and the rest is history.

I'm not a fan of Hillary (in case you can't tell.)
 
the people who "wouldn't vote for her" wouldn't have voted for Kerry anyway

While you are certainly correct in that it wouldn't cause anyone to abandon Kerry, the main concern for the Dems is that her name on the ticket would lead to greater turnout on the Republican side. To a degree I think that's a legitimate concern.
 
And another concern would be the "swing vote."

Would Senator Clinton attract or repel Independents and voters of other parties?
 
:laughing: Kerry & Hillary in '04 -- that's all it would take to complete a total Marxist/Leninist ticket. Two people who believe communism is the solution to all of America's problems, despite the fact that it has failed everywhere else. I guess that's because the right team has not tried it yet. :rolleyes:

Kerry and Hillary -- BRING IT ON! :laughing:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
:laughing: Kerry & Hillary in '04 -- that's all it would take to complete a total Marxist/Leninist ticket. Two people who believe communism is the solution to all of America's problems, despite the fact that it has failed everywhere else. I guess that's because the right team has not tried it yet. :rolleyes:

Kerry and Hillary -- BRING IT ON! :laughing:
Gee, what a surprise...Rational replies from everyone but Steve....I'm shocked, how about you guys ? :rolleyes: Wait, better not answer that, or he'll start calling you a dirty commie too... :hyper:

I don't know that Hillary being on the ticket would energize the right nearly as much as some people have suggested. The fact is, the Bush supporters have pretty much all "drank the kool aid" and will be voting for him regardless. The "casual" voter isn't going to be all that much more likely, in my opinion, to go out and vote simply because Hillary is on the ticket. She was villified by the extreme right, but remains extremely popular with an awfully large portion of the American public. I honestly think that any excess vote for the right would be more than overwhelmed by the votes coming from women that would like to see a woman in the office.

I don't know...but I guarantee it's something that the Kerry campaign has considered. In all likelihood, it's going to end up being Edwards, which I can certainly live with...This is just an interesting idea to me....Something to kick around (for those mature enough to take it seriously, anyway).
 
He's from Massachusetts, she's currently from NY -- not usually a good mix, they're too alike -- but she's originally from chicago and most recently from Arkansas, so she might attract voters to the ticket.

being VP would be a plus for her whatever her future plans are.

but I think John Edwards would be a better choice, would bring in a broader voter base.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Gee, what a surprise...Rational replies from everyone but Steve....I'm shocked, how about you guys ? :


Um, no, not at all. It was pretty much expected coming from Steve. ::yes::
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
:laughing: Kerry & Hillary in '04 -- that's all it would take to complete a total Marxist/Leninist ticket. Two people who believe communism is the solution to all of America's problems, despite the fact that it has failed everywhere else. I guess that's because the right team has not tried it yet. :rolleyes:

Kerry and Hillary -- BRING IT ON! :laughing:

Exactly! We all remember what Hillary said a few days ago:

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

I'd be shocked if Billary accepted 2nd fiddle on Kerry's ticket. You pick VP candidates to help you win elections. I don't think Billary has any interest in being a pawn. If Kerry wins she becomes irrelvant, as most VP's do until election time. She can be more impactful as a Senator than a VP and I would think she well knows that.

I also second the opinion she doens't want to wait until 2012 to run for President, which she would likely have to do if Kerry wins.
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
but I think John Edwards would be a better choice, would bring in a broader voter base.

At this point in time, I'm thinking it's going to be a Kerry-Edwards ticket but who knows for sure.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
At this point in time, I'm thinking it's going to be a Kerry-Edwards ticket but who knows for sure.

But I thought Kerry has gone on record as saying the Dems didn't need the South to win the election. Why would he pick Edwards if he felt that way?
 
Kerry's stepson recently made some comments in Pittsburgh that weren't too nice about Edwards. Leads me to believe that Mama Heinz-Kerry is not too keen on Edwards, so I would be surprised if it turned out to be a Kerry/Edwards ticket.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
But I thought Kerry has gone on record as saying the Dems didn't need the South to win the election. Why would he pick Edwards if he felt that way?
Well, because he has something else Kerry is a little short on...personality ;)

Seriously, I don't know that Edwards delivers the south regardless, but I think his appeal schews both younger and more feminine than Kerry's does...He adds quite a bit of appeal to what is (again, in my opinion) an otherwise rather lackluster campaign.

Also, he's not Dick Gephart, so he's got that goin' for him ::yes::
 
I am horrified to think that people would vote for Kerry/Clinton simply because "it would be nice to have a woman in office," yet from what I've been hearing, there are people out there who will actually base their votes this way.

Very scary...
 





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