DD wants a purity ring

:thumbsup2 I agree- seems very one sided for it to be so important that ONE partner is a vigin but the other is free to do what they want.
Clearly you didn't read my response if you think that purity rings mean that one is stuck remaining a virgin while his or her potential spouse gets to go around living it up. It is about personal choices. For a person to choose to remain pure, chaste, a virgin, or whatever you might want to call it until marriage is a personal choice based on what they value in themself. If that person meets another person who chose not to remain that way, but the first person believes this person to be a wonderful partner and someone he or she wants to spend the rest of his or her life with, well that person is making a choice about what priorities they value in a partner. To believe that a person can make different choices than you and still be a person worthy of love and respect seems to show much more acceptance and maturity and significantly less judgment than many posters on this thread seem to be showing.
 
That's kind of what I was thinking. At 11, I bet the daughter wants a pretty ring, like her friends and Selena Gomez wears.

I also agree that with the PP who said that if she stops wearing it, she will be labeled as sexually active even if she isn't.

Selena Gomez spends the night at Justin Bieber's all the time!! What the heck?!?!?!?!
 
She also doesn't wear the purity ring any longer either. Case in point, that it may a ring goes not mean a thing.

I don't know about that. I think that the ring has meaning for the person wearing it. That meaning might be completely different from another person who wears the ring.


I honestly don't know how we have become a society who feels that a person wanting to wait to have sex deserves to be told that they are wrong. Then again, I don't know how we have become a society who feels we are entitled to voice our opinion on anyone unrelated to us when it comes to their sexual history and choices. A person wants to wait? Good for them. Who are we to tell them that they choice is all wrong and that they will regret it? A person wants to take their partner for a "test drive" as a previous poster amusingly put it? Good for them. Who are we to determine that they aren't the kind of person who can handle that sort of relationship? the fact of the matter is, sex is a very personal and private matter. I think that if a girl or boy with whom we are close has said that they have thought about it and have made the decision that they want to wait to have sex, we should honor that choice by discussing with them what helped them reach that decision and help them in any way we can to achieve their goal. If a boy or girl with whom we are close comes to us and says that they do not believe that waiting for them is the answer, I think that we should honor that choice by discussing what helped them come to that decision and talking about what all they need to do to be safe. I think that if we don't know the person, it is not our business to know their sexual history and choices and certainly not our place to tell them that their decisions are wrong for them.
 

I honestly don't know how we have become a society who feels that a person wanting to wait to have sex deserves to be told that they are wrong. Then again, I don't know how we have become a society who feels we are entitled to voice our opinion on anyone unrelated to us when it comes to their sexual history and choices. .

(IMO) it is not wrong to wait. But I also feel that, that is a personal choice. I do not feel one should be publicly announcing their sex life.

If you make a public display that you are waiting for marriage and then "change your mind" it will be open to comment.
 
disneychrista said:
(IMO) it is not wrong to wait. But I also feel that, that is a personal choice. I do not feel one should be publicly announcing their sex life.

If you make a public display that you are waiting for marriage and then "change your mind" it will be open to comment.

Todd point
 
I honestly don't know how we have become a society who feels that a person wanting to wait to have sex deserves to be told that they are wrong. Then again, I don't know how we have become a society who feels we are entitled to voice our opinion on anyone unrelated to us when it comes to their sexual history and choices. A person wants to wait? Good for them. Who are we to tell them that they choice is all wrong and that they will regret it? A person wants to take their partner for a "test drive" as a previous poster amusingly put it? Good for them. Who are we to determine that they aren't the kind of person who can handle that sort of relationship? the fact of the matter is, sex is a very personal and private matter. I think that if a girl or boy with whom we are close has said that they have thought about it and have made the decision that they want to wait to have sex, we should honor that choice by discussing with them what helped them reach that decision and help them in any way we can to achieve their goal. If a boy or girl with whom we are close comes to us and says that they do not believe that waiting for them is the answer, I think that we should honor that choice by discussing what helped them come to that decision and talking about what all they need to do to be safe. I think that if we don't know the person, it is not our business to know their sexual history and choices and certainly not our place to tell them that their decisions are wrong for them.
Briefly, I think there's a big difference between "waiting" and "waiting for marriage". Most people here I think have said they prefer their kids wait. I think the biggest disagreement seems to be about wearing a ring pledging to wait for marriage - particularly an 11 year old which was what this thread was originally about. (I have no idea if the OP has left the building, or what! :laughing:) I also think that some have ignored statistics that have been repeatedly posted that show that wearing a purity ring may actually be harmful if the wearer is uneducated and unprepared for an unplanned sexual encounter. Few proponents have addressed the issue of what happens when and if wearers change their minds. Sure some have said, well, it's no big deal. But is it? DD and I talked about this today and I asked her how she'd feel if she took this type of pledge, but then broke it, and she said she'd feel horrible. I think it's wrong to assume that people aren't teaching their kids about a variety of sex education topics, including abstinence along with safety and readiness, etc.
 
What happens when and if wearers change their minds?

They have sex. Or not--maybe they'll change their minds and just not want to wear it anymore, still keeping their stance on trying to wait. If they have sex, they either take off the ring and move on or keep the ring on so mom and dad and others will not suspect anything has happened. Maybe they go to confession or tell their youth leader or parent or BFF. Maybe they simply confess it to God. Maybe they take another vow of being a born again virgin or whatever that is called. Maybe they have lots of sex. Maybe they enter a convent. Who knows?
 
Personally, I agree with the "creepy" quotient in purity rings. My father would have been...I don't even know the word, but he wouldn't have been there voluntarily and neither would I. If one is fairly young, like the OP's daughter, I think it's more about the jewelry and an existential symbolism they don't understand.

When they are 16-17 I feel it's, at best, a hope. At worst, a cover-up.

I don't want my daughter to make it into a ceremony! I'd like her to tell me when she is close to engaging in sex so that we can get her protected and reinforce the protection that condoms offer...or whatever has been invented since my era.
 
I detest the idea that virginity is tied up in concepts of "purity." It means once you have sex you are then sullied, dirtied and devalued. What a lot of nonsense.
 
(IMO) it is not wrong to wait. But I also feel that, that is a personal choice. I do not feel one should be publicly announcing their sex life.

If you make a public display that you are waiting for marriage and then "change your mind" it will be open to comment.
I can only speak for my person experience, but I never had some giant public announcement about my decision. If people found out about my decision, it was most often because they were already butting into my personal life in the first place. For example, many would ask me why I was wearing a ring on my wedding ring finger when I was even married. I would tell them that it was just a personal choice and, while many dropped it there, others kept prodding until I explained the significance of the ring. Other people would ask me how some guy I had gone out with was in bed. I would tell them that we hadn't slept together and sometimes people wouldn't drop it. They would ask me when we were going to sleep together and when I told them that I didn't see that happening, they would want to know why. So on and so forth and finally, I would tell them about my decision to wait. I never felt that my sex life was anyone's business and I really didn't care to hear about their's - though I got to all the time on the cheerleading bus or in the athletics locker room.

I understand about making a public decision and then it being open for comment, but most girls I know make the decision to have sex and then get angry when people talk about it. It seems to me that if we all just stopped talking about who all Susie has had sex with or how Jenny said she was going to wait but we all heard she slept with Johnny after the homecoming game, things would be better.

Briefly, I think there's a big difference between "waiting" and "waiting for marriage". Most people here I think have said they prefer their kids wait. I think the biggest disagreement seems to be about wearing a ring pledging to wait for marriage - particularly an 11 year old which was what this thread was originally about. (I have no idea if the OP has left the building, or what! :laughing:) I also think that some have ignored statistics that have been repeatedly posted that show that wearing a purity ring may actually be harmful if the wearer is uneducated and unprepared for an unplanned sexual encounter. Few proponents have addressed the issue of what happens when and if wearers change their minds. Sure some have said, well, it's no big deal. But is it? DD and I talked about this today and I asked her how she'd feel if she took this type of pledge, but then broke it, and she said she'd feel horrible. I think it's wrong to assume that people aren't teaching their kids about a variety of sex education topics, including abstinence along with safety and readiness, etc.
I agree that there is a difference between waiting and waiting for marriage. I understand your concerns about not being prepared for your first sexual encounter. However, I don't see the ring as being what creates this. If a person plans to wait, ring or no ring, and then suddenly changes their mind in the heat of the moment, it isn't going to be the ring's fault that he or she is not prepared. It is up to the parents to make sure that their child knows about STDs and how to prevent them. It's important that all teens (and I would actually advocate for younger than teens) know how to use a condom and other forms of contraceptive. I believe in teaching both boys and girls how birth control works and what it does and does not prevent. I think it is important that they also each know how effective each contraceptive is. Then and only then can the guy and girl make a truly informed decision on what method(s) to take in order to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancies. I think that deciding not to teach your child this because you believe that they will be waiting for marriage is a dumb idea. Is there a reason that newlyweds wouldn't want to prevent a pregnancy early on? Knowledge is power and getting your child informed is a very wise decision. However, I do not think that parents decide that their child doesn't need to know just because they wear a purity ring. It is my belief that these parents wouldn't teach their child this valuable information with or without the ring.

What happens when and if wearers change their minds?

They have sex. Or not--maybe they'll change their minds and just not want to wear it anymore, still keeping their stance on trying to wait. If they have sex, they either take off the ring and move on or keep the ring on so mom and dad and others will not suspect anything has happened. Maybe they go to confession or tell their youth leader or parent or BFF. Maybe they simply confess it to God. Maybe they take another vow of being a born again virgin or whatever that is called. Maybe they have lots of sex. Maybe they enter a convent. Who knows?
No one knows. It is my opinion that no one should care, either. The ring is for the wearer. It means what it means to the wearer. If they "mess up" and have sex but choose to keep wearing it, that is their business. If they are still a virgin and decide to take it off, that is their business. People are going to talk no matter what, just like they talk about girls who never wore a ring and never planned to wait. As humans, it seems we like to gossip and sex is one of our favorite topics.
Personally, I agree with the "creepy" quotient in purity rings. My father would have been...I don't even know the word, but he wouldn't have been there voluntarily and neither would I. If one is fairly young, like the OP's daughter, I think it's more about the jewelry and an existential symbolism they don't understand.

When they are 16-17 I feel it's, at best, a hope. At worst, a cover-up.

I don't want my daughter to make it into a ceremony! I'd like her to tell me when she is close to engaging in sex so that we can get her protected and reinforce the protection that condoms offer...or whatever has been invented since my era.
Well, again, I can just speak for me, but there was not "creepy" ceremony. My church did say that they were going to buy some in bulk so we could get a discount if we wanted. They also made it very clear that it was a personal decision and they understood if people didn't want to wear the ring for their own personal reasons. No ceremony where we married God. No ceremony involving our fathers at all. Just one Sunday, if you ordered a ring, you went and got it at a certain corner of the youth building. :confused3
 
She is 11. Yesterday, she went to a church function at a friend's church. We attend another similar denomination, so, no issues there.

Apparently, they were discussing the concept of purity. She learned the idea of waiting to marriage, yada yada yada.

I have no problem with her learning these concepts. But, she came home asking if she and her 2 friends can go shopping together to buy themselves purity rings.

Of course, I want her to be very careful concerning who and when she shares the very personal and private moment with. But, I am also a little concerned about her making this decision at age 11 when she has never experienced much in the way of romantic relations.

It's a much different thing at age 11 than at say 17. I don't want her to have later regrets about breaking this kind of comitment.

thoughts?

So basically to stop kids from falling pray to peer pressure and having sex they are using peer pressure to get them to wear a ring to not have sex!!!!!
:rolleyes2
 
I would never encourage my kids to wait until marriage. What if they never get married? Are they never to experience the joy of sex with someone they care about? If they spend years and years with a purity ring, abstaining until marriage, and then their relationships never lead that way for whatever reason (I have 2 good friends in their 40s who have never found "the one"), will they be virgins for life? If they choose to give themselves to a man at age 30, outside of marriage, will they feel guilty about it?

I am not religious, so that doesn't play into this at all for me. I think there comes a time when a person is mature enough to have safe and responsible sex with someone, or to even choose to have a night of unbridled passion (safely) with someone they know they'll never see again! After a certain age it's their choice how they decide to use their own bodies. I only want to encourage them to wait until they reach that age and stage of maturity, be fully informed and prepared for the consequences, and have no regrets and weird hangups afterwards. So if they were to decide to wear rings, I'd want them to mean "wait until age 18 at least" or "wait until a serious relationship" or some other thing that went along with our values. We don't assume that everyone will get married, so we wouldn't make that part of the bargain.
 
I think the whole concept of purity rings and pledges is repulsive. And very, very creepy, reinforcing the concept that the daughter's sexual activity has anything do do with her father. It reminds me very much of the whole middle eastern idea of "honor" having to do with female sexual activity.

I hope my kids decide to postpone sexual activity until they are mature enough and responsible enough to deal with it. But I don't put any particular premium on virginity. And with these things there is always a sexist emphasis on girls being virgins. I think being a virgin when you get married is a pretty bad idea, but that should be up to the individual.

And as a pp mentioned, these kind of pledges tend to end up in irresponsible behavior because kids don't use contraception.
 
When I was eleven years old.... in 6th grade (for crying out loud).... I would have had no problem whatsoever making this promise. Boys were stupid.

Now at 16, 17, 18.... much different story. If a lady at that age makes that promise, it really, really means something because she knows what it means. She probably has felt, by that time, the emotions related to the sexual experience and she knows how potentially difficult it is to say no.

IMO, having an 11 year old make a vow like this is meaningless.
 
I think that a lot of people here are making assumptions about things. No one ever said that there was going to be some ceremony involving her father. Again, I didn't have any sort of ceremony and don't know anyone who wore a purity ring who did have such a ceremony (though I'm going to guess that they do exist since so many on here have ignored my posts about not having one and insist that that is what is going to go on). If this girl says she doesn't want to have sex, the ring isn't going to be what holds her to it or doesn't. Therefore, she should still be told about contraceptives, responsible behavior, and STDs.

There have been some very judgmental posts on this thread. It seems that there once was a time when a person not waiting was frowned upon and that person was spoken ill of. It seems the pendulum has swung the other way, now. What difference does it make if a person waits or not? I have yet to meet someone who regretted waiting so telling them that their choice is wrong or stupid seems a bit ridiculous. Furthermore, if someone chooses not to wait, what business is that of anyone else? Jeez lousie I have no idea why we feel that we should decide for other people what is and is not appropriate for them sexually.
 
I detest the idea that virginity is tied up in concepts of "purity." It means once you have sex you are then sullied, dirtied and devalued. What a lot of nonsense.

That about sums it up for me.

I was afraid to open this thread. I had to quote you Ember because that is spot on for me.

I don't even believe in marriage anymore but that is another thread.:lmao:
 
So basically to stop kids from falling pray to peer pressure and having sex they are using peer pressure to get them to wear a ring to not have sex!!!!!
:rolleyes2

Peer pressure--and a "bribe" or a pretty ring.

Regardless of what it is that you do or do not hope your children do when they grow up--I am in the camp that feels this type of pressuring a child to make a decision and a commitment, turning it into a group thing, and offering a "reward" (ring) for making a commitment about something they cannot possibly really understand at their age is wrong. VERY wrong.
 
I think that a lot of people here are making assumptions about things. No one ever said that there was going to be some ceremony involving her father. Again, I didn't have any sort of ceremony and don't know anyone who wore a purity ring who did have such a ceremony (though I'm going to guess that they do exist since so many on here have ignored my posts about not having one and insist that that is what is going to go on). If this girl says she doesn't want to have sex, the ring isn't going to be what holds her to it or doesn't. Therefore, she should still be told about contraceptives, responsible behavior, and STDs.

There have been some very judgmental posts on this thread. It seems that there once was a time when a person not waiting was frowned upon and that person was spoken ill of. It seems the pendulum has swung the other way, now. What difference does it make if a person waits or not? I have yet to meet someone who regretted waiting so telling them that their choice is wrong or stupid seems a bit ridiculous. Furthermore, if someone chooses not to wait, what business is that of anyone else? Jeez lousie I have no idea why we feel that we should decide for other people what is and is not appropriate for them sexually.

Its not, which is why many question why the need to wear a ring to proclaim your choice of waiting and announce it to others. The very act of putting on a ring with "love is worth waiting for" is making it everyone elses business. The very act of encouraging 11 year olds in a Church group is making it everyone elses business. The act of having a ceremony is making it everyone elses business. :confused3
 



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