DCL not renewing Shutters contract???

[sweetpee_1993]

My $.02.

DCL is a cruise line not run much different than other cruise lines. Photo services onboard DCL are in-line with what they cost on other lines. It's part of cruising. Considering DCL often commands a higher price tag, arguably they wouldn't feel the need to be less expensive in their extras. Just like the cruise fares, if people are still paying it they're not going to reduce the cost of it.

IMO, sub'ing out the photography is convenient for the cruise line. If Images isn't the sub-contractor I'd fully expect someone else to be. I would be pretty surprised to see DCL hire & run the photography onboard themselves.

 

[Flossbolna]

IMO, sub'ing out the photography is convenient for the cruise line. If Images isn't the sub-contractor I'd fully expect someone else to be. I would be pretty surprised to see DCL hire & run the photography onboard themselves.

I seem to remember that when photopass first started out at WDW it was actually a subcontractor providing the service (just like the valet parking people being outsourced). As part of the whole My Magic+ initiative it was brought into Disney. However, I am not sure if they don't still oursource the actual photo taking. The point is that they now have built the photopass/Memory Maker software and platform. So, in comparison to other cruise line they do own a lot of the necessary infrastructure to provide the photo services through a Disney company. And one would assume that the mid term plans at Disney are to bring the cruise line under the whole My Magic+ umbrella at some point (that's why we got the "new and improved" website in the same MDE style). However, this project seems to be still struggling with difficulties. Original plans would have Disneyland and the international parks far more integrated in it already by now than they are. So, my guess would be that they will want to finish the land based integration first before they roll it out to the cruise line.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

I seem to remember that when photopass first started out at WDW it was actually a subcontractor providing the service (just like the valet parking people being outsourced). As part of the whole My Magic+ initiative it was brought into Disney. However, I am not sure if they don't still oursource the actual photo taking. The point is that they now have built the photopass/Memory Maker software and platform. So, in comparison to other cruise line they do own a lot of the necessary infrastructure to provide the photo services through a Disney company. And one would assume that the mid term plans at Disney are to bring the cruise line under the whole My Magic+ umbrella at some point (that's why we got the "new and improved" website in the same MDE style). However, this project seems to be still struggling with difficulties. Original plans would have Disneyland and the international parks far more integrated in it already by now than they are. So, my guess would be that they will want to finish the land based integration first before they roll it out to the cruise line.

Even if that all came to fruition, if they can charge more for it they will. Still look for those cruise pics to be big money. People pay it.

 

[DisneyWonder'09]

I think because it's been suggested or implied that the photographers would be an extension of the photopass service utilized by WDW - those workers are hired & run here in the US.

Not if they set it up as a separate division?

 

[phinz]

my lighting and expertise of manually using my camera for optimal lighting basically sucks.

It can't be worse than a lot of the "professional" photographers with Shutters. Most haven't the slightest idea how to use their cameras for anything other than AutoMode Point and Shoot.

 

[truck1]

Hi Trucvk,

I really enjoy reading your posts and in site into how things work, but sometime I do not get your thought process!
If dcl implemented a photopass@sea concept, employed their own cm's, why would they be subject to labor pay and union issues anymore than the cm's in the club and lab or cruise staffs?
DCL are not american flagged ships so pay and unions are not a problem for US crew from what i've read?

I think because it's been suggested or implied that the photographers would be an extension of the photopass service utilized by WDW - those workers are hired & run here in the US.

What sweetpee said. Basically it ends up being an extension from the parks. Computer servers, it staff, all of that would most likely come from the parks. Even the staff, most likely would come from the parks. I'm still not 100% sure, if the photopass in the parks is under contract or if they are contractors. So it could go either way.

There was a big thing before the Magic tied up to the pier for the first time, that DCL was hiring non union dockworkers to handle the ships. It caused a big issue at the port. Not sure how they got around it, but it was there.

 

[truck1]

Not if they set it up as a separate division?

They are there own division, but would have to contract with Photopass to provide the service.

Assuming that the photopass cms, are WDW cms, DCL would sign a contract with WDW Photopass, for however many, services etc. Assuming for a minute they are union, the union already has a set pay scales, breaks, etc. that DCL would have to abide by, even though they are foreign flagged, since they are hiring a union service.

 

[DisneyWonder'09]

What sweetpee said. Basically it ends up being an extension from the parks. Computer servers, it staff, all of that would most likely come from the parks. Even the staff, most likely would come from the parks. I'm still not 100% sure, if the photopass in the parks is under contract or if they are contractors. So it could go either way.

There was a big thing before the Magic tied up to the pier for the first time, that DCL was hiring non union dockworkers to handle the ships. It caused a big issue at the port. Not sure how they got around it, but it was there.

They are there own division, but would have to contract with Photopass to provide the service.

Assuming that the photopass cms, are WDW cms, DCL would sign a contract with WDW Photopass, for however many, services etc. Assuming for a minute they are union, the union already has a set pay scales, breaks, etc. that DCL would have to abide by, even though they are foreign flagged, since they are hiring a union service.

Sorry but you have made wild assumptions there, and ignored what I said to further your own opinion and twist what I said.
If they set photopass@sea up as a seperate entity from the parks, under the dcl umbrella company, and I repeat, hired their own staff to work on the ships, used the proprietary IT system software on seperate servers for ship based storing and printing, producing storage drives and used their own land based servers for aftersales, why is US labor law involved?
Why would they have to contract with photopass when you aren't even sure if disney own the rights and software or CM's?

 

[DisneyWonder'09]

Truck1, verything you have said in this thread you have presented at fact when it is your opinion only, and you have admitted you do not know how the service is run or operated, let alone owned, or who owns the software.
The servers could be based in mexico for photopass in the parks for all you know!
Disputing others opinions is fine, but you are arguing against something you have no knowledge or factual information about and telling others they are wrong and isn't possible.

 

[truck1]

I seem to remember that when photopass first started out at WDW it was actually a subcontractor providing the service (just like the valet parking people being outsourced). As part of the whole My Magic+ initiative it was brought into Disney. However, I am not sure if they don't still oursource the actual photo taking. The point is that they now have built the photopass/Memory Maker software and platform. So, in comparison to other cruise line they do own a lot of the necessary infrastructure to provide the photo services through a Disney company. And one would assume that the mid term plans at Disney are to bring the cruise line under the whole My Magic+ umbrella at some point (that's why we got the "new and improved" website in the same MDE style). However, this project seems to be still struggling with difficulties. Original plans would have Disneyland and the international parks far more integrated in it already by now than they are. So, my guess would be that they will want to finish the land based integration first before they roll it out to the cruise line.

Sorry but you have made wild assumptions there, and ignored what I said to further your own opinion and twist what I said.
If they set photopass@sea up as a seperate entity from the parks, under the dcl umbrella company, and I repeat, hired their own staff to work on the ships, used the proprietary IT system software on seperate servers for ship based storing and printing, producing storage drives and used their own land based servers for aftersales, why is US labor law involved?
Why would they have to contract with photopass when you aren't even sure if disney own the rights and software or CM's?

I'm sorry I'd didn't ignore I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about DCL being a separate unit.

If you ever get a cHanceville pick up a book by Lee Cockrell called 10 common sense leadership lesson from a life at Disney. Itll.explain a lot more of the current thinking regarding the parks etc.

Now since Photo Pass already exists in the parks, I doubt that corporate would allow a second unit so to speak of something that already exists to be basically copied for use in other corporate divisions. The current thinking is to consolidate as much as they can to keep costs down for admin reasons. As an example, Karl Holtz is in charge of DCL, DVC and 2 or 3 other units, as opposed to back in 98 when they were separate. Anothet example is the 2 US parks. The ride and show engineering here in Fl makes most of the ride props, parade floats, parking trams, decorations for Cali, DCL ,and the worldwide parks. Rather then set up a completely new engineering dept for each park. The most likely scenario is if DCL wanted a new photo op onboard and it would be photopass, they'll contract with shore side photopass. Assuming they don't go with another established maritime photo system, or change the contract to add features like photopass has.

 

[truck1]

Truck1, verything you have said in this thread you have presented at fact when it is your opinion only, and you have admitted you do not know how the service is run or operated, let alone owned, or who owns the software.
The servers could be based in mexico for photopass in the parks for all you know!
Disputing others opinions is fine, but you are arguing against something you have no knowledge or factual information about and telling others they are wrong and isn't possible.

I'm not saying that I am right or anyone else is wrong. I'm not presenting it as fact either. I even said assuming for that reason. The only thing I am pointing out that is assuming that the rumor is true, and DCL is looking at Photo pass as an alternative, that the monkey wrench could be if they are union, the union pay scales could be a reason. That's it that's all. I meant to ask someone today if the photo pass was Disneys or contract. We got sidetracked on the way out of Epcot. It used to be real easy to tell who was contract and who wasn't simply by looking at the name tags. I haven't paid attention lately since the new tags were issued. If photo pass is under WDW contract no big deal. Disney has a lot of contract workers in the parks on a daily basis, in a variety of roles. Some good, some not so good. If photo pass is Disney, and the employees are Disney, and they are union, then the union will have a say in the ship board activiites of the photpass cms.

Like I said in another post, pick up a copy of Lee Cockerells book. It will open a lot of peoples eyes on Disneys thought process, and explain why they do a lot of things they do.