DC Voting Rights - One Step further

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I think its a shame the folks in DC have no voting representation in the congress.

Looks like they are moving in the right direction.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/11/AR2009021101486.html

D.C. Voting Rights Passed by Senate Committee

By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 11, 2009; 11:49 AM

A Senate committee approved a bill today that would give the District its first full seat in the House of Representatives, setting up a crucial vote by the full chamber sometime in the coming months.

The Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee passed the legislation 11 to 1 at its first business meeting in the new Congress. The lone "no" vote was cast by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the 2008 Republican presidential nominee.

It's not clear when the legislation will reach the Senate floor for what is likely to be the key vote on the measure. In 2007, a similar bill died in the Senate after falling three votes short of the 60 needed to head off a filibuster. But proponents believe they are now in better shape thanks to Democratic gains in the last election.

Committee chairman Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) said in an opening statement that "we hope and believe this is our year" to get the voting rights bill approved. The bill is expected to pass the House, as it did two years ago.

The bill would permanently expand the 435-member House by two seats. One would go to the overwhelmingly Democratic District, and the other to the state next in line to pick up a seat based on population. For the next few years, that state would be Utah, which leans Republican

Democrats, who generally support the D.C. vote legislation, currently hold a 58-41 advantage in the Senate. Many Republicans are opposed to the bill, saying it violates the Constitution and could lead eventually to two Senate seats for the District.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said the senator "will try and get it to the floor as quickly as we can." That could take weeks or even months, though, because of a congressional schedule jammed with priorities such as the economic stimulus package, the 2009 budget and the bank bailout.

Manley indicated that the majority leader's office had not yet had time to really scrutinize the D.C. vote legislation and assess its chances of passage. "We've got a new Congress, we need to see where the votes are" on the bill, he said.

Still, supporters were optimistic. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), the sponsor of the D.C. vote bill in the House, said she was pleased that both chambers had started considering the measure early in the session. A House subcommittee held a hearing on it last month.

"There was some talk of whether or not this bill would be moved this quickly, because it was foreseen we'd be deeply involved in stimulus," Norton said. "But you see the House and the Senate have shown they can walk and chew gum at the same time."
 
How are they going to get around this pesky little problem? The constition states

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

Since DC is not a State by the Constitution they can not have a seat in Congress.
 
How are they going to get around this pesky little problem? The constition states



Since DC is not a State by the Constitution they can not have a seat in Congress.

I suppose, eventually, the constitution will be amended.
 
Voting rights are only extended to the states. DC is not a state for a reason. You must be government educated.:rotfl2:
 

This is a huge thing in DC. It will happen. I'm very pleased.
 
This is a huge thing in DC. It will happen. I'm very pleased.

If you believe that, can you then answer my original question? I'm not opposed to them having representation, I just don't see how it would be legal without a constitutional amendment, and from the Article, such an amendment was not proposed.
 
It's disgraceful that 588,000+ citizens do not have adequate Congressional representation. That said, I am opposed to statehood for DC. It is a city, not a state. The best solution is for Congress to assign DC residents to existing congressional districts in MD and VA. That will never happen, but I still believe that it is the best solution.

It's nice to see some of our conservative friends become ardent defenders of the Constitution after 8 years of Bush regarding it as "just a piece of paper."
 
It's disgraceful that 588,000+ citizens do not have adequate Congressional representation. That said, I am opposed to statehood for DC. It is a city, not a state. The best solution is for Congress to assign DC residents to existing congressional districts in MD and VA. That will never happen, but I still believe that it is the best solution.

It's nice to see some of our conservative friends become ardent defenders of the Constitution after 8 years of Bush regarding it as "just a piece of paper."

Believe it or not all conservatives don't believe that Bush was infalable, or that he was always correct.

As I stated, I'm not against the representation in anyway, but it's not as simple as just giving them a seat, because they can't have one under the Constitution as it exists.
 
It's disgraceful that the 4 million+ residents of Puerto Rico, 108k+ of the USVI, and the 175k+ of Guam, ALL get no vote for president or representation.

For a country that fights for the freedoms of people around the world, the US sure seems to forget its own citizens at times.
 
It's disgraceful that the 4 million+ residents of Puerto Rico, 108k+ of the USVI, and the 175k+ of Guam, ALL get no vote for president or representation.

For a country that fights for the freedoms of people around the world, the US sure seems to forget its own citizens at times.


sorry on that one there is a method of them getting representation, all they need to do is apply for statehood. If they want the rights of a state they need to become one. DC doesn't have that option.
 
sorry on that one there is a method of them getting representation, all they need to do is apply for statehood. If they want the rights of a state they need to become one. DC doesn't have that option.
Or have the US constitution amended, since congress seems in no hurry to deal with the territories.

If even the French can give their territories representation and the vote, we can too.
 
Or have the US constitution amended, since congress seems in no hurry to deal with the territories.

If even the French can give their territories representation and the vote, we can too.

First off, tossing something out that the French do as an example to me is a complete waste of your time. There is absolutely nothing about the French government that I would strive to emulate, nothing.

Now on to the point. I would support an amendment to give DC representation, but not so for the territories. If they want to be part of the Union, then they need to join the Union just as the other 50 states did. If they want to remain outside the Union, then they shall remain outside of it. It is really up to the people that live in those territories.
 
It's disgraceful that the 4 million+ residents of Puerto Rico, 108k+ of the USVI, and the 175k+ of Guam, ALL get no vote for president or representation.

For a country that fights for the freedoms of people around the world, the US sure seems to forget its own citizens at times.

You'd have to convince your fellow Puerto Ricans to stop voting against statehood if they'd like to get a say.
 
First off, tossing something out that the French do as an example to me is a complete waste of your time. There is absolutely nothing about the French government that I would strive to emulate, nothing.

That's quite an enlightened attitude, to disregard anything from the French, even when it's something they do better than we do, for the sole reason that it's the French who do it.

Now on to the point. I would support an amendment to give DC representation, but not so for the territories. If they want to be part of the Union, then they need to join the Union just as the other 50 states did. If they want to remain outside the Union, then they shall remain outside of it. It is really up to the people that live in those territories.

The territories are part of the union! Puerto Rico and Guam were war prizes from the Spanish American war, and the USVI were purchased from the Danes. How does this NOT make them part of the Union?!?!? The US is responsible for their defense, for their external relations, for their trade policies, etc; and with the exception of the USVI driving on the left, Puerto Rico's drinking age (18), and the unique tax situations of PR and Guam, all 3 territories are expected to comply with every piece of US legislation as if they were a state. How are they not part of the Union!?!?!?!

Even if all were to get 100% votes in favor of statehood, the US congress would have to approve it, and it is something they are not ready to do. They haven't been ready for over 40 years, since the US, the purveyor of the worlds freedom, was embarrassed by Albizu Campos in front of the UN when describing the current situation of Puerto Rico.

And now, I'll await your disregard of the UN comment as well.
 
You'd have to convince your fellow Puerto Ricans to stop voting against statehood if they'd like to get a say.
100% of PR could vote for statehood, and until congress made it so, it wouldn't matter.

I actually have NO opinion on the status of Puerto Rico... in fact, I think we have many other issues to work on before tackling that, but as a TAXPAYING US CITIZEN, why shouldn't I get a vote or representation? I pay federal taxes (I have since I was 16), and the only way I could vote last election was because I was a Florida resident living completely overseas.

Let me put it one way. Why a US citizen who lives in London get a vote, while one who lives in San Juan, St. Thomas, or Pago Pago (all US soil) not?
 
Don't Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands have representation in the Miss America pageant? Maybe they can use the same template for changing the law.
 
That's quite an enlightened attitude, to disregard anything from the French, even when it's something they do better than we do, for the sole reason that it's the French who do it.



The territories are part of the union! Puerto Rico and Guam were war prizes from the Spanish American war, and the USVI were purchased from the Danes. How does this NOT make them part of the Union?!?!? The US is responsible for their defense, for their external relations, for their trade policies, etc; and with the exception of the USVI driving on the left, Puerto Rico's drinking age (18), and the unique tax situations of PR and Guam, all 3 territories are expected to comply with every piece of US legislation as if they were a state. How are they not part of the Union!?!?!?!

Even if all were to get 100% votes in favor of statehood, the US congress would have to approve it, and it is something they are not ready to do. They haven't been ready for over 40 years, since the US, the purveyor of the worlds freedom, was embarrassed by Albizu Campos in front of the UN when describing the current situation of Puerto Rico.

And now, I'll await your disregard of the UN comment as well.

I have absolutely no regard for the French Governement. I'm fine with that, call it unenlighted or whatever you want, but that is my feelings.

You have no idea what congress will do, because the citizens of PR keep voting down statehood. When your citizens want it, then we can worry about congress, until then it is moot point.

And because your waiting for it, I don't give a crap about the UN either, they are a waste of valuable NY real estate as far as I am concerned as well.
 
I have absolutely no regard for the French Governement. I'm fine with that, call it unenlighted or whatever you want, but that is my feelings.
It's your opinion, and if you choose to have it, so be it. I for one, disagree with you. I don't wish to be French... EVER. But if they do something right, I think we as a country are remiss we don't at least pay attention.

You have no idea what congress will do, because the citizens of PR keep voting down statehood. When your citizens want it, then we can worry about congress, until then it is moot point.

How about when they thrust statehood on Hawaii? Now they have the largest secessionist movement in the US. They didn't ask the residents then! They just thrust statehood upon them.

When it benefits the US to have Puerto Rico as a state, they'll give it to us. Regardless of what the popular vote says.

And because your waiting for it, I don't give a crap about the UN either, they are a waste of valuable NY real estate as far as I am concerned as well.

Again, it's your opinion, and it's one I also disagree with.
 

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