Dateline tonight...Sexual Predators...sickening

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Did you see the Today Show today? They had some clips from Dateline tonight...a story about Internet predators. Scary as hell. From the website:


Quote: Adults prowling the Web to meet children found Dateline cameras instead (Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent)


Late last August three hidden camera engineers, 2 regular cameramen, a soundman, 2 volunteers from a vigilante group that exposes computer predators, a producer, an associate producer, a security provider and I moved into a big home in an affluent suburb of Washington, DC. The mission: to explore the sometimes dark world of Internet chat rooms and to expose predators who seek to seduce children.

We all knew going in that the scope of the problem is immense. At any given time 50,000 predators are on the Internet prowling for children and the National Center For Missing and Exploited Children tells us that one in five children online have been solicited for sex.

Still, I wasn’t prepared for what I was about to see. The next five days would leave my crew and me physically and mentally exhausted.

Even before I arrived on the scene, Mitch and Eric Waggonberg and their team had installed eleven hidden cameras and essentially built a control room on the second floor of the house. The cameras could be panned and zoomed from the second floor. One room over, the volunteers from the vigilante group called Perverted Justice were in regional chat rooms of Yahoo and AOL, posing as 12, 13 or 14 year old kids. They posted profiles with pictures of boys and girls who were unmistakably underage. And huddled in with them, a computer researcher was standing by to dig into the backgrounds of men who came to our house to meet a child for sex.

I arrived at our house on a Wednesday morning about 9 a.m. By noon we were expecting our first visitor. He was 54 and called himself “Redbd” on line. He thought he was talking to a 13-year-old boy named Conrad. Redbd acknowledged Conrad’s age saying he was “sooo soo young.” He asked “Conrad” about his sexuality and his sexual experience. Then he sent “Conrad” pictures of himself so explicit we can’t show you. And then he was walking up the driveway to our home. He was confident, comfortable. He even parked right in the driveway. I was standing in the next room, watching on a monitor as he walked into the kitchen. The decoy said: “Hey, spilled Diet Coke on my shirt, I have to go change.” The man offered to help.

As a correspondent in these kinds of situations, you’re always a bit anxious. Redbd didn’t look violent, but you never know how someone in his position is going to react, especially because Redbd was a prominent man who had a lot to lose by being exposed. Redbd was a rabbi at an organization that works with young people. At first he was calm, even though he clearly knew he was in a lot of trouble. Then he became agitated and wanted to know who I was. I suddenly felt a bit on the defensive. When I told him who I was, the camera crew came out of the next room and he started after me. Our security provider intervened and ultimately the rabbi left. Later, in a series of phone calls to us, the rabbi claimed he had done nothing wrong.

All of this happened on the first day of our investigation. He was the first of 19 men who would walk in our house. I knew then, it was going to be a long week.

One after another, a parade of predators showed up at our house. Each confrontation was unique. Sometimes on these undercover investigations you feel almost exhilarated when you catch someone in the act. This time though, it was just plain pathetic and frightening to see first hand how many men would do something like this.

Besides the rabbi, there was a doctor, a special education teacher, an army man, a defense contractor, a medical student… the list goes on. Not one of these men, if you saw him on the street would stand out in a crowd. Some were defiant, claiming they’d done nothing wrong. Many said this was the first time they’d ever done anything like this and they weren’t really going to go through with it. Some broke down and admitted an addiction to the Internet.

Perhaps the most memorable moment though was when a guy actually walked into our home naked. That’s right: Naked. I knew, based upon his chat with the decoy that this might be a possibility. I never really thought the man would do it. But, on the second evening of our investigation, there he was walking into our kitchen wearing nothing, carrying a 12-pack of beer looking to hook up with a 14-year-old boy. I was standing in the next room looking at the monitor, shaking my head in disbelief. He’s sitting on a stool naked and now I have to go confront him and do an interview with him. That was a TV first for me.

Fortunately, there was a towel nearby that I could give him to cover up.

What does your daddy do for a living? My kids and virtually anyone else I told about my interview with naked-guy thought this was hysterical… that is until I told them what this same guy did the next day. It highlights the danger and the prevalence of men online trying to solicit children. Within 12 hours of the encounter at the kitchen counter, the very same man was in a chat room talking to a decoy posing as a 13-year old boy. There’s sex talk and he sets up a meeting at a fast food restaurant.

But, instead of meeting a 13-year-old, he meets me with a camera crew. Again, I confront the man.

He tells me he needs to get help and is seeing a psychiatrist.

Let’s hope that he does.

The special report airs on Dateline, Friday, 8 p.m./7C.
 
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See www.pervertedjustice.com , too.

It is so important for kids to learn internet safety.
 
Disgusting! Thankfully Yahoo shut down their user-created chat rooms. Some of them were so nasty. What the hell is wrong with people?? A date with their left hand isn't enough? Good grief. If I ever have kids I'm afriad to even let them use the internet -- way too many sickos out there.
 
Wow, that is truly horrible. I don't know if I will be able to tune in tonight, or if I want to. Did Dateline report the men to the police? This sort of behavior needs to be cracked down on.
 

I have been in IT since 1995. I have attended many conferences presented by Microsoft, Novell, Citrix, etc, but by far the best session I ever attended was at Microsoft's TechEd conference in Orlando this past June. The session was by a woman named Laura Chappel, who has been well-known in IT for years for her classes on packet-sniffing and network security. This time she presented on "Internet Safety for Children." What she showed us was, at the very least, frightening.

IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY WILL BE USING THE INTERNET IN THEIR LIFETIME, YOU NEED TO SEE HER MATERIAL!!!!.

Sorry for the shouting, but I feel that strongly about it. You can view her website at http://www.packet-level.com/kids. You can download the course materials there to present this to your church, workplace, school, etc.

I had a student in on of my classes (I also teach IT classes) who works for the Attorney Generals office here in PA. His division investigates child pornography. I told him I couldn't do his job, because I would HAVE to hunt down the perp and end his or her existence. These perps have, IMO, forfeited their rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and they NEED to have their existence ended.
 
This guy was one of the rabbis at a synagogue about two miles from my home. I drive by his home each day on my way to work. I have attended services which he led, though we belong to another temple. I am disgusted and sickened by the news. Even though he has not been a member of their clergy for a couple of years, I can only imagine how the people in that congregation feel, and hope against hope that all of their children are okay.

Just a further confirmation that a "sicko" can be anyone. No one is immune, and we must all teach our children this sad lesson. While my children are now older, I remember how they fought my ban on chat rooms and claimed that they would be able to tell...this was sobering even to them.
 
Make no mistake, these sickos are your next door neighbors. We had one in our old neighborhood, he is gone now and so are we.
 
"This guy was one of the rabbis at a synagogue about two miles from my home."

Now I need names as I live in Potomac too.
 
UGH! Makes me so sick and positively disgusted. :o(((((

I remember a loooong time ago, watching Oprah, and it was something about kids getting lost and what to tell your kids to do...

Something that never occured to me - you tell them to go to a woman, any woman! Your child's saftey is better with any woman, then even a Security Guard, Male worker, etc.... and seeing the above, he was absoutly correct. (I instantly began always telling them that, and to this day - they finish my sentence "If you get lost you..." "Go to a woman, we know"

So sad. :o(((
 
JCJRSmith said:
I have been in IT since 1995. I have attended many conferences presented by Microsoft, Novell, Citrix, etc, but by far the best session I ever attended was at Microsoft's TechEd conference in Orlando this past June. The session was by a woman named Laura Chappel, who has been well-known in IT for years for her classes on packet-sniffing and network security. This time she presented on "Internet Safety for Children." What she showed us was, at the very least, frightening.

IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY WILL BE USING THE INTERNET IN THEIR LIFETIME, YOU NEED TO SEE HER MATERIAL!!!!.

Sorry for the shouting, but I feel that strongly about it. You can view her website at http://www.packet-level.com/kids. You can download the course materials there to present this to your church, workplace, school, etc.

I had a student in on of my classes (I also teach IT classes) who works for the Attorney Generals office here in PA. His division investigates child pornography. I told him I couldn't do his job, because I would HAVE to hunt down the perp and end his or her existence. These perps have, IMO, forfeited their rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and they NEED to have their existence ended.

Thank you for this link.
 
CathrynRose said:
UGH! Makes me so sick and positively disgusted. :o(((((

I remember a loooong time ago, watching Oprah, and it was something about kids getting lost and what to tell your kids to do...

Something that never occured to me - you tell them to go to a woman, any woman! Your child's saftey is better with any woman, then even a Security Guard, Male worker, etc.... and seeing the above, he was absoutly correct. (I instantly began always telling them that, and to this day - they finish my sentence "If you get lost you..." "Go to a woman, we know"

So sad. :o(((


I've taken this even a step further and told my 4 year old to go find a women with kids with her and if not any women. I tell she needs to find a "mommy".

I've been to the pervetedjustice.com website before and it is sick.

My 4 year old already loves the internet. Loves to look at pictures of Disney, play noggin etc. I am afraid what its going to be like when she's older and I have to watch over her every minute.
 
I think I first saw a suggestion on this board regarding having a lost child look for another "mommy." It was a revelation at the time, and I always now remind my children to find another mommy with kids to help them. This story on Dateline reinforces how important that can be. I have seen similar "stings" done by local news channel when I lived in Kansas City, and I'm telling you it was VERY SCARY to see the men who came to these homes looking for sex with children. Most of them looked totally normal, just like our friends and neighbors. I can't stress that enough ... they looked normal, just the kind of men our children might need to rely on some day. Of course, not all men are bad, but women just don't do this as much. The internet has, I believe, made this an even bigger problem by solving the logistics issues perverts faced in the past. I guess we need vigilance, faith and luck to avoid this.
 
grlpwrd said:
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See www.pervertedjustice.com , too.

It is so important for kids to learn internet safety.
this is how i feeland thats why i think 1 offense and htey go to jail forere
many of these men said they did nothing wrong but they did
they were looking to have sex with a child
they should go to jail
FOREVER
 
There's an article (here ) in today's Metro section of the Washington Post regarding the fall-out from that Dateline special. You might need to sign up for an account (which is free) to read it. At least two of the people involved, including the rabbi, have justifiably lost their jobs due to the report. And, yes, it does name names.
 
JCJRSmith said:
I have been in IT since 1995. I have attended many conferences presented by Microsoft, Novell, Citrix, etc, but by far the best session I ever attended was at Microsoft's TechEd conference in Orlando this past June. The session was by a woman named Laura Chappel, who has been well-known in IT for years for her classes on packet-sniffing and network security. This time she presented on "Internet Safety for Children." What she showed us was, at the very least, frightening.

IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY WILL BE USING THE INTERNET IN THEIR LIFETIME, YOU NEED TO SEE HER MATERIAL!!!!.

Sorry for the shouting, but I feel that strongly about it. You can view her website at http://www.packet-level.com/kids. You can download the course materials there to present this to your church, workplace, school, etc.

I had a student in on of my classes (I also teach IT classes) who works for the Attorney Generals office here in PA. His division investigates child pornography. I told him I couldn't do his job, because I would HAVE to hunt down the perp and end his or her existence. These perps have, IMO, forfeited their rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and they NEED to have their existence ended.


Thanks for yelling! I'm a grant coordinator and am currently implementing several technology grants. I went to the site you suggested and found information on conducting training for the community. Thanks to your direction, I'm going to have my Technology Facilitators do a workshop for parents after Christmas. This is really, really important...
 
just out of curiousity what do actual children do when somebody they are talking to online becomes sexually explicit and sends them pics of themselves, clearly older? Has this happened and the child still agrees to meet the person? I'm curious because I would think even the most troubled child would see that this is wrong and they can't go anywhere near that person.
 
Tiggeroo said:
just out of curiousity what do actual children do when somebody they are talking to online becomes sexually explicit and sends them pics of themselves, clearly older? Has this happened and the child still agrees to meet the person? I'm curious because I would think even the most troubled child would see that this is wrong and they can't go anywhere near that person.

I don't know but sexual predators seek out those that are vulnerable. There out there and the kids are being preyed on.

It probably doesn't start out wildly explicit I am sure in most cases. They feel them out, see what they can get away with.

I watched a show on Oprah and it was alarming but very informational. She had on actual men who were sexual preditors and they explained how they choose the kids they did, then how they gained trust over time, trying out little things just to see what the reaction would be. It was so calculated and that is what the whole pt of the show was.

Things like touching their leg, or giving them a hug, kiss on the cheek and it would escalate from there. She also had one child that was molested and it happened to her just as the guy sitting next to her was telling the audience it would. That poor girl actually thought she was in love with her molestor at one point. I felt so bad for the girl.

I am guessing online the men are more brazen, kids are less shy and it probably can escalate a lot faster but the same techniques would be used.
 
Aneille said:
I've taken this even a step further and told my 4 year old to go find a women with kids with her and if not any women. I tell she needs to find a "mommy".

A good idea, but don't be fooled into a false sense of security.


Sadly, even "mommies" or women posing as mommies can be sexual predators as well.
 
Deb in IA said:
A good idea, but don't be fooled into a false sense of security.


Sadly, even "mommies" or women posing as mommies can be sexual predators as well.


Yes I am well aware, just statistically its much lower.

You got to give your kid some advice to help them out if they ever get lost otherwise with no direction who knows what they would do.
 
Watching it right now. OMG! Why are they letting these creeps get away??? The cops should be around the corner catching them!
 


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