DAS vs Genie+

[Osferth]

I know that DAS differs from Genie+ in that with DAS, you get an open-ended return starting at a specified time, whereas Genie+ gives you a one-hour window.

I'm wondering if DAS differs from Genie+ in other ways. For instance, does DAS utilize the "2-hour rule" the same way Genie+ does? With Genie+, you can make your next reservation when you scan in for the last one you made, OR two hours after the last reservation was made. For example, if I reserve Indiana Jones at 11:00AM and get a return time of 4:00PM, I can make another reservation two hours later at 1:00PM, and then another at 3:00PM, so I would at that point be holding 3 reservations. Does DAS work the same way?

Also, if the ride you reserved breaks down during your Genie+ return window before you use it, you get a multiple-experience pass (MEP) that can get you in the lightning lane for that or another ride at any time that same day. Is this also the case for DAS?

 

[SueM in MN]

I know that DAS differs from Genie+ in that with DAS, you get an open-ended return starting at a specified time, whereas Genie+ gives you a one-hour window.

I'm wondering if DAS differs from Genie+ in other ways. For instance, does DAS utilize the "2-hour rule" the same way Genie+ does? With Genie+, you can make your next reservation when you scan in for the last one you made, OR two hours after the last reservation was made. For example, if I reserve Indiana Jones at 11:00AM and get a return time of 4:00PM, I can make another reservation two hours later at 1:00PM, and then another at 3:00PM, so I would at that point be holding 3 reservations. Does DAS work the same way?

Also, if the ride you reserved breaks down during your Genie+ return window before you use it, you get a multiple-experience pass (MEP) that can get you in the lightning lane for that or another ride at any time that same day. Is this also the case for DAS?

For instance, does DAS utilize the "2-hour rule" the same way Genie+ does?
No. Guests using DAS can only have one active DAS Return Time at a time, so the 2 hour rule doesn’t apply.
DAS Return Times remain active until used, cancelled or until the park or the attraction the DAS Return Time was for closes for the day.

Also, if the ride you reserved breaks down during your Genie+ return window before you use it, you get a multiple-experience pass (MEP) that can get you in the lightning lane for that or another ride at any time that same day.
No. Because the DAS Return Time remains active, guests don’t get usually a MEP unless the attraction is not expected to re-open that day.
IF the guest already scanned in to the attraction and then it closed down, they would get a MEP the same as other guests.
The guest using DAS can also choose to cancel the DAS Return Time for that attraction and make one for another

 

[DisneyOma]

For instance, does DAS utilize the "2-hour rule" the same way Genie+ does?
No. Guests using DAS can only have one active DAS Return Time at a time, so the 2 hour rule doesn’t apply.
DAS Return Times remain active until used, cancelled or until the park or the attraction the DAS Return Time was for closes for the day.

Also, if the ride you reserved breaks down during your Genie+ return window before you use it, you get a multiple-experience pass (MEP) that can get you in the lightning lane for that or another ride at any time that same day.
No. Because the DAS Return Time remains active, guests don’t get usually a MEP unless the attraction is not expected to re-open that day.
IF the guest already scanned in to the attraction and then it closed down, they would get a MEP the same as other guests.
The guest using DAS can also choose to cancel the DAS Return Time for that attraction and make one for another

We got an MEP every other day it seemed during our 8 day trip with DAS in July. One time we used it for the attraction that was down at the time - RotR, I think? Or MFSR - one of the Galaxy's Edge attractions. If you've been waiting for the return time and then the ride goes down, it seems unfair to make the DAS user get another return time. We never had to do that when a ride went down - just got offered the MEP in the app.

 

[SueM in MN]

We got an MEP every other day it seemed during our 8 day trip with DAS in July. One time we used it for the attraction that was down at the time - RotR, I think? Or MFSR - one of the Galaxy's Edge attractions. If you've been waiting for the return time and then the ride goes down, it seems unfair to make the DAS user get another return time. We never had to do that when a ride went down - just got offered the MEP in the app.

This is possibly a ‘your mileage may vary’ situation.
We did get MEPs for our DAS Advanced Selections when they broke down. It came automatically with a message that said our selection was unavailable for our scheduled time. At least once, it gave us a later time for that attraction and at another time, it gave us a n MEP.
We had one temporary shutdown for a DAS Return Time and were told to check back later.

 

[TheOneWithTheTriplets]

This is possibly a ‘your mileage may vary’ situation.
We did get MEPs for our DAS Advanced Selections when they broke down. It came automatically with a message that said our selection was unavailable for our scheduled time. At least once, it gave us a later time for that attraction and at another time, it gave us a n MEP.
We had one temporary shutdown for a DAS Return Time and were told to check back later.

This was my experience as well. MEP for the prebooked DAS, as well as one that occurred in the last hour of park operation. But, when FoP went down in the morning, we either had to cancel it to pull something else or hold it until it came back up.

To be fair, that does mirror the standby system. If you're in line and a ride goes down, you just have to go do something else or you can hang around and hope it comes back up.

 

[Osferth]

Thank you SueM for the detailed answer. It seems that it is critical to get the 2 pre-selections via the online chat. If not for those, the lack of a 2-hour rule would make DAS of limited usefulness. I did a simulated park itinerary using return time data for a recent weekday where the park was open 8AM-midnight. Assuming you immediately started using DAS at park opening and got a new reservation as soon as possible focusing on the top attractions (longest waits), you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection), since they have the longest waits.

 

[DisneyOma]

Thank you SueM for the detailed answer. It seems that it is critical to get the 2 pre-selections via the online chat. If not for those, the lack of a 2-hour rule would make DAS of limited usefulness. I did a simulated park itinerary using return time data for a recent weekday where the park was open 8AM-midnight. Assuming you immediately started using DAS at park opening and got a new reservation as soon as possible focusing on the top attractions (longest waits), you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection), since they have the longest waits.

DAS is only intended to allow a person who cannot access the standby queue for a non-mobility issue access to an attraction. It is not intended to act as Genie+ (2 hour stacking) in any way. If you want that type of access to attractions then you buy Genie+. Also, the top tier attractions are Ill, right?

 

[TheOneWithTheTriplets]

Thank you SueM for the detailed answer. It seems that it is critical to get the 2 pre-selections via the online chat. If not for those, the lack of a 2-hour rule would make DAS of limited usefulness. I did a simulated park itinerary using return time data for a recent weekday where the park was open 8AM-midnight. Assuming you immediately started using DAS at park opening and got a new reservation as soon as possible focusing on the top attractions (longest waits), you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection), since they have the longest waits.

This doesn't sound right at all. What "return time" data were you using? Your DAS has you return at whatever time the standby wait is when you pull it, not the next available Genie + time. They are totally separate, so if you were thinking you would use DAS to pull G+ return times, you're estimating wrong.

If you pull Rise at 8am, let's say it starts posting a 60 min wait. Your DAS return time is 9am, you use it then and pick up HM. By 9, HM Holiday is posting a 60min wait, so your return time there is 10am. At 10, when you use HM, Indy is posting a 60 min wait. You use that at 11am and grab something else. DAS returns are rarely over 2 hours so, unless something is posting a mammoth wait, you can go use it and book another before two hours are up.

As PP said, this is not intended to be a system like G+ where you can stack a bunch of short waits. You are waiting the same as standby guests, but you are free to do so elsewhere in the park. At least, that's the theory. In reality, you're waiting less than standby guests because 1) you are not prevented from doing other, low wait attractions while in "line" for your DAS selection and 2) once you tap into a ride, you are starting your wait for your next attraction right away instead of having to actually complete the experience and walk to the next location.

 

[lanejudy]

you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection)

Are you planning a WDW trip or DLR? At WDW these attractions are in different parks, maybe they are in the same park at DLR. DAS generally works the same on both coasts, but in practicality there may be some differences due to accessibility of various queues. I’m not up on the little details of Genie+ at the California parks; I do believe there are some differences vs WDW.

But the basics of DAS vs Genie+ are that the two systems are separate and may be used alone or together if you so choose. One is not intended to replace or be “better” than the other.

 

[eticketplease]

DAS is only intended to allow a person who cannot access the standby queue for a non-mobility issue access to an attraction. It is not intended to act as Genie+ (2 hour stacking) in any way. If you want that type of access to attractions then you buy Genie+. Also, the top tier attractions are Ill, right?

I can not emphasize this enough!! It is not a substitute for Genie Plus.

On our last trip we had a DAS for ROTR and the ride went down. By the time the ride came back up the lightning lane was super long that there was no way our DAS rider would be able to stay in line. We were able to change it to Star Tours and get on that.

Obviously Star Tours is no substitute for ROTR but we take wins when we can with our DAS member of our family.

 

[DisSurfer878]

Thank you SueM for the detailed answer. It seems that it is critical to get the 2 pre-selections via the online chat. If not for those, the lack of a 2-hour rule would make DAS of limited usefulness. I did a simulated park itinerary using return time data for a recent weekday where the park was open 8AM-midnight. Assuming you immediately started using DAS at park opening and got a new reservation as soon as possible focusing on the top attractions (longest waits), you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection), since they have the longest waits.

I'm so confused by this.

We visit Land a lot, and last went in July. We did not get Genie+, just used DAS.

We got on like 20 rides. We certainly did not just use our DAS 3 times all day lol

 

[eticketplease]

I'm so confused by this.

We visit Land a lot, and last went in July. We did not get Genie+, just used DAS.

We got on like 20 rides. We certainly did not just use our DAS 3 times all day lol

You can use multiple times you are not limited to a set number of DAS passes. You are limited based on the estimated ride time. If all of the rides that the DAS person wants to ride are long waits ie matterhorn or space mountain then obviously you would not be able to ride that many compared to the tea cups and Mr Toads Wild Ride

 

[SueM in MN]

Thank you SueM for the detailed answer. It seems that it is critical to get the 2 pre-selections via the online chat. If not for those, the lack of a 2-hour rule would make DAS of limited usefulness. I did a simulated park itinerary using return time data for a recent weekday where the park was open 8AM-midnight. Assuming you immediately started using DAS at park opening and got a new reservation as soon as possible focusing on the top attractions (longest waits), you would only be able to use DAS for Rise of the Resistance, Haunted Mansion, and Indiana Jones. I would definitely choose my 2 pre-selections from Indy, Haunted Mansion, and Space Mountain (Rise is not eligible for pre-selection), since they have the longest waits.

The point of DAS is not to shorten the wait or to increase/maximize the number of attractions a guest using DAS can experience.
It‘s to allow guests whose disabilities prevent them from waiting in line to wait outside of the line for most of their wait. Without that accommodation, many guests would not be able to go on any attractions.

Since the wait for DAS Return Times is roughly equal to the current wait in the Standby line , the DAS users‘ virtual wait is going to be similar to the actual wait of guests who entered the actual line at the same time as the DAS user entered the virtual line. The DAS Return Time is based on the current wait . This is equitable.

Using DAS for Rise of the Resistance, while the other guests would be in the line waiting, the DAS user and their group would be outside of the line. They could do other things during that time - eat, use the restroom, rest, go on an attraction with a short wait or use a Genie+ time to go on another attraction.

Once you have used a DAS Return Time, you can make another, over and over until the attraction or park closes. There is not a limit to the number of times a DAS csn be used to make Return Times. And, unlike Genie+, DAS Return Times can be made multiple times on the same attraction.
Allowing DAS users to ’stack’ DAS Return Times for attractions would be a big advantage and not equitable - the non-DAS guests waiting in line for Rise of the Resistance can’t also be in line for Haunted Mansion without paying for Genie+

 

[Osferth]

This doesn't sound right at all. What "return time" data were you using? Your DAS has you return at whatever time the standby wait is when you pull it, not the next available Genie + time. They are totally separate, so if you were thinking you would use DAS to pull G+ return times, you're estimating wrong.

If you pull Rise at 8am, let's say it starts posting a 60 min wait. Your DAS return time is 9am, you use it then and pick up HM. By 9, HM Holiday is posting a 60min wait, so your return time there is 10am. At 10, when you use HM, Indy is posting a 60 min wait. You use that at 11am and grab something else. DAS returns are rarely over 2 hours so, unless something is posting a mammoth wait, you can go use it and book another before two hours are up.

As PP said, this is not intended to be a system like G+ where you can stack a bunch of short waits. You are waiting the same as standby guests, but you are free to do so elsewhere in the park. At least, that's the theory. In reality, you're waiting less than standby guests because 1) you are not prevented from doing other, low wait attractions while in "line" for your DAS selection and 2) once you tap into a ride, you are starting your wait for your next attraction right away instead of having to actually complete the experience and walk to the next location.

Ok, apparently I misunderstood the way return times work for DAS. I thought they were the same return times you get if you used Genie+. That actually makes a lot more sense, using the current standby time.

 

[lanejudy]

The first post of this thread explains how DAS works.

 

[DisSurfer878]

You can use multiple times you are not limited to a set number of DAS passes. You are limited based on the estimated ride time. If all of the rides that the DAS person wants to ride are long waits ie matterhorn or space mountain then obviously you would not be able to ride that many compared to the tea cups and Mr Toads Wild Ride

Yes, I know how DAS works, but what I am saying is we rode most of the "top tier" rides, all with DAS. I think this person is over estimating the time windows.

 

[eticketplease]

Yes, I know how DAS works, but what I am saying is we rode most of the "top tier" rides, all with DAS. I think this person is over estimating the time windows.

Sorry I just saw you were confused and I now realize that was from that post and not DAS. Now that I have read that post I’m equally confused lol