'cutting' in line

[dixieamy]

Boylovesbuzz, I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you. I have a DD3, who, like most small children, waits until the very last minute to inform us that she needs to "go potty". We just returned from a trip to the beach, which is 2 1/2 hours from where we live, and today we stopped for lunch, I repeatedly asked her if she needed to use the bathroom, she replied several times that she did not, and 15 minutes down the road she suddenly had to go "very bad". I can easily picture a scenario where we are in line and she has to go potty. And, no, I'm not going to have my DH and DS get out of line while I take her to the restroom. While adults typically can go long periods of time without bathroom breaks, small children really can't, and sometimes do have bathroom "emergencies".

DixieAmy

 

[dixieamy]

My DD3 does usually have to go about twice an hour, of course she also drinks a lot. I have asked her pediatrician about this, and he said it was perfectly normal for a child her age with a small bladder. Which medical school did you attend?

 

[jann1033]

Originally posted by dixieamy
My DD3 does usually have to go about twice an hour, of course she also drinks a lot. I have asked her pediatrician about this, and he said it was perfectly normal for a child her age with a small bladder. Which medical school did you attend?

ot but since you asked web md says about toilet training :"Your child is physically capable of being toilet trained when he or she develops muscular control over the bowel and bladder. This rarely occurs before 18 months of age.

Some basic signs that your child has bowel and bladder control include the following:

Diapers frequently are dry after waking from a nap or for at least 2 hours at a time. "

 

[SkylarKD]

Originally posted by mgilmer
Just back from nine days at WDW (July 3-11) and I experienced a lot of line jumping and other similar obnoxious behavior. Most seemed by spanish speaking people. It must be something cultural. I just wish they would learn some basic American manners before coming here.

Oh wow..... That's just rude.

I've met plenty of Americans and Canadians with obnoxious behaviour too - it is NOT specific to Spanish-speaking people.

Please keep your prejudiced comments to yourself.

 

[Feelin' Goofy]

I do agree that the comment that mgilmer said did seam prejudice I don't think that that it was meant that way. I am not here to stand up for this poster but I understand where they came from. I have had an experence at Ky Kingdom before that a Spanish speaking person ran past my faimly to get in line in front of us then starts shouting in English for his freinds to come on up to where he is (several of his friends appeared American) I told them that they could not and then told a CM which questioned him and he pretended that he did not speak English so the Cm did nothing. So I feel that when it is convenent for some not to use English that they don't.

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I've met plenty of Americans and Canadians with obnoxious behaviour too
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I also have to agree with this comment very much.

 

[mmccoy]

Okay, I have a question.

We've been moaning, groaning, gnashing teeth, raising hackles, and just generally sinking lower and lower in our discussion of this topic the last few days.

My question is, has the discussion changed how you will approach line etiquette?

Now, I'm not looking for answers like:

1) I've decided to use my Pal Mickey as a physical deterrent to line cutters. I will beat people with him.

2) I will carry a porta-potty with me on every line.

3) I will install on my child a bladder-level detector, so I can estimate how long he/she can make it.

I'd really like to know if the discussion has changed your opinion or approach. As for me, I don't like line-cutting, but would be hard-put to say anything. That hasn't changed. I think I would be a little more aware and patient with people with small kids, though.

My wife and I talked about it, though, and we did decide one thing. We decided if someone suddenly had the urge, and had to leave the line, that person would just wait for everyone else, or rejoin the line at the back. I don't think I would look down on people who didn't do that but, for us, that's the best approach.

 

[Feelin' Goofy]

I will tie two of them tied together to make Nunchakus. LOL

You are right it is time to lighten up (talking about myself). This subject always ends up getting locked because not everyone agrees.

 

[DizBelle]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
This is a joke. Someone needs to go to the bathroom? Go, your spot will be waiting for you when you get back (as long as someone in your party is still in line). Thirsty? same thing. Family of 5, 4 get in line while 1 goes to get a fastpass? no problem. What's wrong with people? Why do you gert so upset over nothing? You're in line. The wait is the same. Take a deep breath, realize you are in WDW. Relax.

The problem is that for every honest person out there just trying to get back to their family in line after having to leave for an emergency potty break, there is another person just trying to get ahead in the line and make their wait shorter. It's hard to tell the difference and no one like being taken advantage of.

 

[DizBelle]

Ok, how small does a child have to be to be inclued in the "group that is permitted to leave the line and rejoin at the place they left because they had to go to the bathroom"?

 

[mgilmer]

Originally posted by SkylarKD
Oh wow..... That's just rude.

I've met plenty of Americans and Canadians with obnoxious behaviour too - it is NOT specific to Spanish-speaking people.

Please keep your prejudiced comments to yourself.

I was simply stating an observation. In both cases where a large (greater than 10) group tried to (and ultimately did) break in line, the line breakers were all Spanish speaking flag followers. In both instances cast members tried to intervene and the line breakers all but called them out. Actually they did call the cast member out on one occasion and physically laid hands on her. She called security and they were removed from the park (or so I was told by the CM). I was told by this same CM that this was epidemic among the South American visitors to WDW. I also saw three Spanish speaking young men (approximately 18-21 years of age) break into an area reserved for handicapped viewers of Spectromagic one evening. They blatantly blocked the view of several handicapped persons in wheel chairs and refused to move even when asked by a CM. I have also read numerous posts on Dis from others who said that this lack of respect for lines (or quequeing up) is a cultural thing in South America. If this is true, then they need to learn to respect lines in this Country. This is not South America. If you don't like the truth, then so be it, but it is not prejudice to state it.

Mike

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

Originally posted by Disney1fan2002
Sometimes, in the long lines, I wish one of the parents would take the crying, whining children out of line, and come back after about a half hour or so..LOL.

LOL here, too. I don't think people would want my kids to stand in line with them for an hour. NO ONE would be happy by the time we got on the ride. I think, and hope that most people understand this. They should be grateful that I didn't subject them to an hour of..."How much LONGER?", "Can I have a toy?", "I'm tired of standing here", Mommy, "HOW MUCH LONGER?????"

An "extended" family of 38? Boy, that takes a lotta nerve!

 

[NotUrsula]

Just FYI, those hordes of young flag-followers that one encounters in July are not normally Spanish-speakers. They are almost all Brazilian, and the language that they are speaking is Portuguese.

The problem of queue-jumping by these groups is not as bad now as it was in the 90's, partly because Disney has started requiring them to have more chaperones and is better policing their behaviour, but also because the economy in Brazil has been horrendous for the past several years, so the numbers are just down.

We have had Brazilian posters here in the past who have explained that the behaviour is due to their youth and lack of adequate adult supervision, but that jumping queues is NOT normal acceptable behaviour in Brazil.

 

[Linxzy]

Originally posted by mgilmer


I have also read numerous posts on Dis from others who said that this lack of respect for lines (or quequeing up) is a cultural thing in South America. If this is true, then they need to learn to respect lines in this Country. This is not South America. If you don't like the truth, then so be it, but it is not prejudice to state it.

The lack of respect for lines are not just the south american cultures, there are many other cultures that do the same at WDW.

Most of the large groups that go are teenagers, and like any other teens they are going to break rules. In most groups they are told what not to do and how to behave. But heck they are in a different country without their parents.
Also some don't know english, so thats a big barrier. Others do know the language and just play along being ignorants.

And like NotUrsula said, most of them are from Brazil. They speak portuguese not spanish.

I do understand that they may be annoying, but like us, they are trying to have a great time at WDW.

 

[mgilmer]

Originally posted by NotUrsula
Just FYI, those hordes of young flag-followers that one encounters in July are not normally Spanish-speakers. They are almost all Brazilian, and the language that they are speaking is Portuguese.

The problem of queue-jumping by these groups is not as bad now as it was in the 90's, partly because Disney has started requiring them to have more chaperones and is better policing their behaviour, but also because the economy in Brazil has been horrendous for the past several years, so the numbers are just down.

We have had Brazilian posters here in the past who have explained that the behaviour is due to their youth and lack of adequate adult supervision, but that jumping queues is NOT normal acceptable behaviour in Brazil.

The ones I observed were indeed Spanish. I know because I am fluent in Spanish. One group was following a banner of a Columbian flag and the other banner was not country distinguishable but the group was speaking Spanish. I have encountered the infamous Brazillian teens before and they were not as obnoxious as the line jumpers I encountered this time. This was the first time I actually saw an adult male actually physically accost a young female CM because she had the actual timerity to call him on his misbehavior.

Mike

 

[mgilmer]

Originally posted by Linxzy
The lack of respect for lines are not just the south american cultures, there are many other cultures that do the same at WDW.

Most of the large groups that go are teenagers, and like any other teens they are going to break rules. In most groups they are told what not to do and how to behave. But heck they are in a different country without their parents.
Also some don't know english, so thats a big barrier. Others do know the language and just play along being ignorants.

And like NotUrsula said, most of them are from Brazil. They speak portuguese not spanish.

I do understand that they may be annoying, but like us, they are trying to have a great time at WDW.

Unfortunately, the ones in the groups that I saw that were the most obnoxious, agressive, and profane were all adult males in their 30s-40s. The only teens that were really bad were the ones that refused to move away from the handicapped area. They feigned ignorance of English to the CM and so she gave up, but after she left I heard one say to the others (in Spanish, not Portuguese) that the "stupid b**ch thought we didn't understand her" and then they all laughed ( I am fluent in Spanish and could easily tell what they were saying and, for that matter, so could my 11 year old son at my side).

Mike

 

[Linxzy]

Originally posted by mgilmer
Unfortunately, the ones in the groups that I saw that were the most obnoxious, agressive, and profane were all adult males in their 30s-40s. The only teens that were really bad were the ones that refused to move away from the handicapped area. They feigned ignorance of English to the CM and so she gave up, but after she left I heard one say to the others (in Spanish, not Portuguese) that the "stupid b**ch thought we didn't understand her" and then they all laughed ( I am fluent in Spanish and could easily tell what they were saying and, for that matter, so could my 11 year old son at my side).

Mike

Well in that case it just was ignorance from those people to act that way. You have to know that in many other places, especially South America (not all but some) don't like United States for some reason and they may act like that just to simply annoy others.

Some people are just ignorant. But because they acted like that doesn't mean that most of the South American culture acts that way. Some are very cultured and have a sense of what is going on around them. Others, like the ones you encountered, are some of those few that think they deserve everything and are ignorant of their surrounding (sp?).


Mayleen

 

[graygables]

Did you know that some people are allowed to "cut" in line? There are those of us out there with children who have "hidden" disabilities and simply cannot wait in line (chronic fatigue, bipolar disorder, autism come to mind). So, an adult party member goes and calls us when it's getting time (all queues are *NOT* accomodating). There are 4 of us waiting (one adult, 3 children) and we go to the front. Get mad at me? Fine, but I'd happily trade my children's disabilities for your children's health and wait in that line myself. Don't automatically assume that the person is somehow taking advantage of things. You can't always know what the situation is. Should jerks be allowed to line jump, certainly not, but they are the ones who are coming off as idiots, so don't lower yourselves to their level. Whatever happened to kindness and patience in this country...we are entitled to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness, not being the judge and jury of line jumpers at WDW!

 

[gjerseygirl]

Originally posted by mmccoy
I'd really like to know if the discussion has changed your opinion or approach.

After all this discussion, my mind hasn't changed. I'm basically a rule follower. My family will all get on the lines together. However, if we're waiting in line an hour and my 7 year old has to go to the bathroom, I will take him and rejoin the rest of my family in line. If I make my DH get off the line and wait again, he won't be happy and I want to be able to go back to WDW. If I started pulling that on him....forget it. (He's a rule breaker. Give him a list of rules and he looks for which one's he's gonna break. It's very embarrassing....try living with that when you're a rule follower - LOL).

 

[Schmeck]

graygables, the situation you describes requires a GAC (guest assistance pass) and the family member with the disability is supposed to wait in a specific area. If you are just having one person wait in line, and then the rest of the party is pushing through later, that's not good. If you haven't tried a GAC before, I suggest you do.

If a child regularly needs to use the bathroom very hour or so, then just plunk them down on the toilet before you get in line. Of course the child is going to say he/she doesn't have to go - but if you make sure that they know you're going to the bathroom anyways, it shouldn't be a problem that they go too!

 

[graygables]

Schmeck,
We *HAD* a GAC and not all attraction queues or cast members handle them well. The Buzz ride, for instance has a "mainstream" queue that you either FP or wait in. If the FP machines aren't open, then there were no options but to join the regular queue. We also had a GAC specifying that we use our stroller as a wheelchair for 5yo DD and you can't even imagine the dirty looks we got while standing in line. My point is, people don't always know what the situation is, so don't automatically assume the worst.