Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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You can't rent a boat?!?!?! That seems like a good distant activity when so much is closed! The boats cant get that close to each other and they could do reservations required. They could decontaminate the boat pretty easily with a solution spray every part is designed to handle water so its not like a spray solution wouldn't be easy to spray on surfaces. Disney is just being super cheap!!!!!! some of those cancellations are purely to save money.
Most of the boat rentals are staffed by CP. Without the CP staff things like this will go by the wayside for a while as they can’t pull FT or PT staff to man these things.
And it’s not really about being cheap. Boat rentals are a total money maker for Disney. Those boats are decades old, paid off in full, and they’re getting $100+ for a hour rental. They’re raking when they‘re busy.
 
Not true at all. Here in Ontario Canada where I live we have started reopening and our numbers have gone down to below 200 a day. People just need to practice social distancing. Its not hard to do. Its not like asking you to build a pyramid.
Unfortunately it’s hard to social distance when thousands are protesting. Unless you stay in a bubble cases will rise as people go out more. As long as everyone in Ontario never ventures out of Ontario you may stay low. Once travel is lifted things can change quickly. I do my part but obviously some don’t.
 
I think we should all make a deal to leave dire Covid predictions out of this thread. I'll refrain from it too.
No need to go back to the dark, depressing posts of March. :rotfl:

We are all capable of watching the news for this info (heck, just read the community board). And everyone wear your masks or don't go.

Disney will do what they do and as of now they are opening!

Let's go back to complaining about Disney, complaining about people complaining about Disney, who's better - Universal or Disney, how soon is now....

:D
 

Unfortunately it’s hard to social distance when thousands are protesting. Unless you stay in a bubble cases will rise as people go out more. As long as everyone in Ontario never ventures out of Ontario you may stay low. Once travel is lifted things can change quickly. I do my part but obviously some don’t.
From what all levels of government has said the Border won't be opening anytime soon. I do expect to see cases rise upon opening things but to see such big spikes is concerning.
 
I think we should all make a deal to leave dire Covid predictions out of this thread. I'll refrain from it too.
No need to go back to the dark, depressing posts of March. :rotfl:

We are all capable of watching the news for this info (heck, just read the community board). And everyone wear your masks or don't go.

Disney will do what they do and as of now they are opening!

Let's go back to complaining about Disney, complaining about people complaining about Disney, who's better - Universal or Disney, how soon is now....

:D
Its hard to ignore after seeing numbers rise. It is concerning to Disney and Universal. With numbers rising the longer the restrictions they have in place will stay.
 
Not true at all. Here in Ontario Canada where I live we have started reopening and our numbers have gone down to below 200 a day. People just need to practice social distancing. Its not hard to do. Its not like asking you to build a pyramid.

its hard for peope here unfortunately.
 
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Long post alert.

I think we on this thread can get tunnel-vision sometimes and forget about the larger picture in regard to WDW's reopening. Based on everything I've been told and heard, it's clear to me that Disney is playing the long game here, not the July 11 game here, and they're designing the park reservation system with that in mind. If you think that when the first batch of park reservations are released there isn't going to be massive delays, system errors, and headaches, then you're fooling yourself. Just look at any shopDisney limited release, VIPASSHOLDER Night release, Moonlight Magic release, etc. They're not building the reservation system to accommodate the massive wave of requests that will surely hit it on Day 1; they're building it to sustain the more moderate demand it will see as the year progresses. It will also be tweaked and changed along the way.

The Shanghai Disneyland reservation system initially used an algorithm similar to the ones used to sell special event/Disney After Hours tickets online. Essentially, Disney took their desired capacity limit, subtracted a number of tickets to account for APs, then sold that number of tickets through the online portal. They used a separate system or algorithm to allow APs to reserve their spot online. The idea here being that new ticket holders and APs didn't pull from the same pool of reservations. It would theoretically be possible that all AP spots were taken, while new tickets were still available. This is why it took more than three weeks for them to introduce a new algorithm for General Admission ticket holders to be able to use an existing ticket to make a reservation.

This type of system can work in parks like Shanghai and Hong Kong where their audience is more localized and doesn't plan/purchase tickets nearly as far in advance as WDW guests do. They also don't have dated tickets, Park Hopper, wide use of multi-day tickets, or 30,000 hotel rooms to consider. That same set of algorithms would introduce a ridiculous amount of headaches (and potentially shut people out), so they have to build a whole system from the ground up, one that ideally pulls from the same pool rather than Disney creating several pools of reservations. There are still details that need to be worked out, and I'd imagine will hear an update regarding resorts before we see the reservation system roll out, even if that update is "DVC and FW only for the time being."

That's already a complicated situation, but then add the recent uptick in cases around most of the country and the situation becomes even more difficult. In South Florida, which has seen a far greater number of cases than Central Florida, county officials have not attributed the current trends to reopening (some of which start more than a month ago) but rather noncompliance with face masks and social distancing. As someone who has been out and about in the South Florida for the last week or so, I believe they are very much correct. A number of bloggers and vloggers have also reported this in Central Florida, particularly outside of the parks. Why does what happens outside of the parks matter? Because that's where the CMs are when they're not working. Because there are many locals who spend time outside of the parks who then go into the parks. So what does this actually mean for the parks? I think it's likely that they are even more careful and measured with capacity and other restrictions. Any sort of "relaxing" of the stated restrictions gets pushed off further and further as these trends continue (I'm looking at you, September and October people). It also means firmer enforcement than we've seen from Disney before. That's my assessment; you can disagree but I'm not arguing about it, so please don't quote this post if you're going to argue about it. This isn't the place for it.

Disney has always been very cautious, and this situation will be no different. Just a few days ago WESH-TV (the local NBC affiliate for Central Florida) ran a story about if the Central Florida parks reopened too early. You can argue about the merits of that story (but please don't with me, I've had enough with the off topic media-bashing in this thread), but the reality is that stories like that drive a narrative, a narrative Disney absolutely wants no part of. Even if cases persist with this trend a month from now (who knows?), Disney will point to the extensive measures they're taking as evidence of the safety of WDW, and if those local officials are to be believed, theoretically Disney would curtail big waves of new cases by firmly enforcing face masks and social distancing.

As Remy and others have said, it is apparent to me that Disney is preparing a solution as closure-proof as possible. That may seem excessive to some. It may "ruin" the magic. That's okay, but Disney has been very honest with everyone (more so than they usually are). Disney has provided a comprehensive list of what restaurants will and will not be open on June 22. They've even given a glimpse at what the menus will look like. They've provided a detailed list of amenities and services that will and will not be available. I don't want to get into the WDW vs. UOR debate (love them both), but I still couldn't tell you which restaurants at the UOR Loews Hotels are operating. There is certainly a lot more to be released but Disney has also advised that right now may not be the right time for everyone to visit WDW. If you're not okay with that uncertainty, (and I don't say this in a mean-spirited way at all) I'd advise you to cancel. I'm amazed by how many posters here have drawn lines in the sand only for Disney to then cross those lines and then the posters move those lines to something else. Again, now may not be the right time for you to visit WDW.

I want answers just as much as everyone else here, and I've done whatever I can to try to get them, but even folks inside Disney don't seem to have the answers yet. That should tell you a lot about where things stand. I'm far from a Disney apologist (I criticized them for raising the prices at Topolino's yesterday lol), but I also recognize the operational nightmare that is reopening a resort as large as WDW (with so many moving parts) in the middle of a pandemic. More to the point, one thing I've learned from ticket price increases is that my wallet speaks more than my mouth does. I can get worked up on here about how ridiculously expensive my AP is each year, but I'm still renewing anyways. The only message that sends to Disney is that I'm okay with the increases. If you're really upset about this, then again, I'd advise you to cancel. At the very least, you'd be giving yourself a rest and it might make your next trip that much better or more special, but arguing on here is going to get you nowhere.
 
Disney Quest was really cool. Disney should have just kept it up. I miss the pirate game and the jungle cruise. My kids loved playing there and the food was pretty good too.

It wasn’t that good.

But Disney needs more stuff to do at night with the parks closing early and no fireworks.
 
For Disney to not open (other parks close) there would have to be a very very very big spike in hospitalizations.

It has been said over and over here in Florida from local health officials they are NOT looking at actual NEW cases. It is all about the hospitals now. If Orange County hospitals start getting overrun then I can see steps being take to start shutting things down again.

As of now,, with these new spikes OC hospitals are doing just fine. So really no point right now talking about another shutdown or Disney not opening.
 
Watch Disney hit two peaks with one stone. Peak Heat. Peak Cases.... alas that will make it look like the dumbest reopening ever...

They will reopen after UO has figured it out. People are going to go to UO and expect the same experience at WDW and not get it. This is going to frustrate families with teenagers.

I struggle going to Disney without fireworks or the show on the castle. It’s really a great way to end an evening in the park. UO doesn’t have anything close. The Hogwarts castle show is good, but it’s just not the same.
 
Here's one in the win column for Universal - watching all the you-tube channels I follow normally for Disney stuff posting their vlogs of visiting IOA /Universal makes me reallllllly want to go.

Like if Disney still has some crazy restrictions going on in May, or never brings back hopping, we may take two days from our trip and go to IOA/Universal Studios! :) I would love to stay at the Royal Pacific, looks gorgeous!
 
Long post alert.

I think we on this thread can get tunnel-vision sometimes and forget about the larger picture in regard to WDW's reopening. Based on everything I've been told and heard, it's clear to me that Disney is playing the long game here, not the July 11 game here, and they're designing the park reservation system with that in mind. If you think that when the first batch of park reservations are released there isn't going to be massive delays, system errors, and headaches, then you're fooling yourself. Just look at any shopDisney limited release, VIPASSHOLDER Night release, Moonlight Magic release, etc. They're not building the reservation system to accommodate the massive wave of requests that will surely hit it on Day 1; they're building it to sustain the more moderate demand it will see as the year progresses. It will also be tweaked and changed along the way.

The Shanghai Disneyland reservation system initially used an algorithm similar to the ones used to sell special event/Disney After Hours tickets online. Essentially, Disney took their desired capacity limit, subtracted a number of tickets to account for APs, then sold that number of tickets through the online portal. They used a separate system or algorithm to allow APs to reserve their spot online. The idea here being that new ticket holders and APs didn't pull from the same pool of reservations. It would theoretically be possible that all AP spots were taken, while new tickets were still available. This is why it took more than three weeks for them to introduce a new algorithm for General Admission ticket holders to be able to use an existing ticket to make a reservation.

This type of system can work in parks like Shanghai and Hong Kong where their audience is more localized and doesn't plan/purchase tickets nearly as far in advance as WDW guests do. They also don't have dated tickets, Park Hopper, wide use of multi-day tickets, or 30,000 hotel rooms to consider. That same set of algorithms would introduce a ridiculous amount of headaches (and potentially shut people out), so they have to build a whole system from the ground up, one that ideally pulls from the same pool rather than Disney creating several pools of reservations. There are still details that need to be worked out, and I'd imagine will hear an update regarding resorts before we see the reservation system roll out, even if that update is "DVC and FW only for the time being."

That's already a complicated situation, but then add the recent uptick in cases around most of the country and the situation becomes even more difficult. In South Florida, which has seen a far greater number of cases than Central Florida, county officials have not attributed the current trends to reopening (some of which start more than a month ago) but rather noncompliance with face masks and social distancing. As someone who has been out and about in the South Florida for the last week or so, I believe they are very much correct. A number of bloggers and vloggers have also reported this in Central Florida, particularly outside of the parks. Why does what happens outside of the parks matter? Because that's where the CMs are when they're not working. Because there are many locals who spend time outside of the parks who then go into the parks. So what does this actually mean for the parks? I think it's likely that they are even more careful and measured with capacity and other restrictions. Any sort of "relaxing" of the stated restrictions gets pushed off further and further as these trends continue (I'm looking at you, September and October people). It also means firmer enforcement than we've seen from Disney before. That's my assessment; you can disagree but I'm not arguing about it, so please don't quote this post if you're going to argue about it. This isn't the place for it.

Disney has always been very cautious, and this situation will be no different. Just a few days ago WESH-TV (the local NBC affiliate for Central Florida) ran a story about if the Central Florida parks reopened too early. You can argue about the merits of that story (but please don't with me, I've had enough with the off topic media-bashing in this thread), but the reality is that stories like that drive a narrative, a narrative Disney absolutely wants no part of. Even if cases persist with this trend a month from now (who knows?), Disney will point to the extensive measures they're taking as evidence of the safety of WDW, and if those local officials are to be believed, theoretically Disney would curtail big waves of new cases by firmly enforcing face masks and social distancing.

As Remy and others have said, it is apparent to me that Disney is preparing a solution as closure-proof as possible. That may seem excessive to some. It may "ruin" the magic. That's okay, but Disney has been very honest with everyone (more so than they usually are). Disney has provided a comprehensive list of what restaurants will and will not be open on June 22. They've even given a glimpse at what the menus will look like. They've provided a detailed list of amenities and services that will and will not be available. I don't want to get into the WDW vs. UOR debate (love them both), but I still couldn't tell you which restaurants at the UOR Loews Hotels are operating. There is certainly a lot more to be released but Disney has also advised that right now may not be the right time for everyone to visit WDW. If you're not okay with that uncertainty, (and I don't say this in a mean-spirited way at all) I'd advise you to cancel. I'm amazed by how many posters here have drawn lines in the sand only for Disney to then cross those lines and then the posters move those lines to something else. Again, now may not be the right time for you to visit WDW.

I want answers just as much as everyone else here, and I've done whatever I can to try to get them, but even folks inside Disney don't seem to have the answers yet. That should tell you a lot about where things stand. I'm far from a Disney apologist (I criticized them for raising the prices at Topolino's yesterday lol), but I also recognize the operational nightmare that is reopening a resort as large as WDW (with so many moving parts) in the middle of a pandemic. More to the point, one thing I've learned from ticket price increases is that my wallet speaks more than my mouth does. I can get worked up on here about how ridiculously expensive my AP is each year, but I'm still renewing anyways. The only message that sends to Disney is that I'm okay with the increases. If you're really upset about this, then again, I'd advise you to cancel. At the very least, you'd be giving yourself a rest and it might make your next trip that much better or more special, but arguing on here is going to get you nowhere.
You explained way more eloquently than I could that the reservation system is not a short term modification and that they are virus-proofing (as much as they can virus-proof with safety modification) the parks and resorts for longer-term.

But, Disney fans are engrained in their ways. I just saw a post about someone that will be rebooking for 2021 because they don’t want to deal with park reservations. Uhm, no, they are not building this entire new system to only have it in place a few months.
 
Minivan or suburban? We've fit four car seats, 3 adults, and everyone's luggage (incl 3 strollers and 2 coolers) into a minivan or suburban many times (note that this only works if at least 2/3 of the adults have flexible legs).
And one time, 4 adults, 2 car seats, and luggage (incl 2 strollers and 3 coolers) on a trip from Buffalo to DC to Gettysburg and back to Buffalo.
It's not comfortable. But it is possible. It's like an adventure with an element of real life Tetris thrown in.
Wow, that is Tetris! Our three guys are over 6 feet tall and we will have at least 8 suitcases since we are bringing things to entertain us in the room since we don't know what will be open.
 
Not necessarily. NJ went from lockdown to phase 2 and numbers continued to decline steadily. NY went from lockdown and is now ready to start phase 3 tomorrow in some parts of the state, also showing a decline all the while. This proves that opening can happen without seeing spikes. Perhaps that will change, but so far so good up in this neck of the woods. And our new positive case numbers (with far more robust testing) are only a small fraction of what FL is now seeing. Funny how we are the only states (and CT) made to quarantine upon entry to FL...

Agreed. It was pretty bad here in Michigan at first too, but now even with testing up and things starting to reopen, we’re only at about 180-200 new cases per day. So I don’t really get the attempts to make it seem like a smart decision to keep pushing forward with numbers increasing.
 
Thought these tidbits on HK were interesting regarding park reservation timeframe:
https://www.hongkongdisneyland.com/park-visit-reservation/?f=prve01
And also, re: AP extensions (there is a section called Membership Extension):
https://www.hongkongdisneyland.com/faq/tickets/closure-special-arrangements/

Of course Hong Kong Disneyland seems to have actual details about the reservations haha

Quote:
Magic Access members can begin reserving their visit from June 15th, after which the system will open for public reservation from June 16th 12:00nn.

To maintain appropriate social distance among Guests, Hong Kong Disneyland has introduced capacity control in our Park. All Guests are required to reserve their visit date with their valid tickets, membership cards or ticket vouchers/confirmation through this website within 7 days prior to their visit to the Park. Magic Access Members may book 1 day in advance of the public.
 
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