Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[lilypgirl]

Actually, it's movement between the states that is covered. Attending Theme parks oddly didn't make the list.

Again I don't necessarily think that she meant theme parks specifically. I think she/he was just speaking in general terms.

 

[woody337]

Actually, it's movement between the states that is covered. Attending Theme parks oddly didn't make the list.

Freedom of assembly

 

[MassJester]

Freedom of assembly

There is, in fact, a right to freedom of assembly. It is, as a matter of law, retractable in times of public emergency--and was thoroughly litigated during the Spanish flu.

 

[woody337]

There is, in fact, a right to freedom of assembly. It is, as a matter of law, retractable in times of public emergency--and was thoroughly litigated during the Spanish flu.

how convenient

 

[AvidDisReader]

Correct, Civil Liberties is a broad term which is why I purposely used it. But we do not want to get in trouble by not sticking to the purpose of this forum and discuss how things relate to Disney.

 

[Brocktoon]

Again I have hard time understanding the fear so many have over a disease with as of today they say has a 98.54 % survival rate. I was always under the impression the original stay at home to slow the spread was to gain control so hospitals would be prepared. All info points that we are at the point so it's time to resume normal life.

The questions have currently shifted from hospitals being prepared and ventilator supplies to moving on with having proper testing protocols. It won't be time to return to any sort of normalcy until there is rapid and accurate testing available in sufficient amounts. The fear of this virus is unique based on its' potential high infection rate even while people may be asymptomatic. Even with a high survival rate, without proper testing in place across the country (not state by state), someone could visit WDW, contract the virus and spread it back home being asymptomatic. Meanwhile the small percentage of vulnerable people who were unknowing infected could end up on ventilators a or potentially die. I'm sure people done't want to intentionally put others at risk with this virus, but without proper testing in place at airports and back home (not just at WDW) that's just what could happen. It's not the high percentage of people who can weather this virus, it's the vulnerable who can catch this due to no fault of their actions.

I'm not saying things need to stay closed forever, but large places like WDW should probably stay closed until we have proper testing protocols set up in all areas people will be travelling from ... and that may be a long while off.

 

[charmed59]

Might have something to due with Florida once again moving it's peak date, this time back from April 21st to May 6th?https://www.wfla.com/news/by-the-nu...s-peak-resource-date-moved-back-to-early-may/

I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling Florida will be studied for years on how not to handle a Pandemic.

When the peak date moves out it means Florida is better at flattening the curve. The good news is we won’t have more ICU patients at peak than we have ICU beds. The bad news is our peak moves out.

 

[mhautz]

Well, the Declaration of Independence gives us the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, which means the Happiest Place of Earth is a civil right. (I am aware of the two technical issues with my statement )

 

[HuskieJohn]

What is the start of the pay week for CMs?

Just thinking that WDW will first open (whatever it is they decide to open) on that day rather than have to have a partial pay week for payroll.

 

[HuskieJohn]

Well, the Declaration of Independence gives us the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, which means the Happiest Place of Earth is a civil right. (I am aware of the two technical issues with my statement )

It doesn't guarantee happiness. Just the pursuit of it.

 

[lilypgirl]

The questions have currently shifted from hospitals being prepared and ventilator supplies to moving on with having proper testing protocols. It won't be time to return to any sort of normalcy until there is rapid and accurate testing available in sufficient amounts. The fear of this virus is unique based on its' potential high infection rate even while people may be asymptomatic. Even with a high survival rate, without proper testing in place across the country (not state by state), someone could visit WDW, contract the virus and spread it back home being asymptomatic. Meanwhile the small percentage of vulnerable people who were unknowing infected could end up on ventilators a or potentially die. I'm sure people done't want to intentionally put others at risk with this virus, but without proper testing in place at airports and back home (not just at WDW) that's just what could happen. It's not the high percentage of people who can weather this virus, it's the vulnerable who can catch this due to no fault of their actions.

I'm not saying things need to stay closed forever, but large places like WDW should probably stay closed until we have proper testing protocols set up in all areas people will be travelling from ... and that may be a long while off.

The 3 phase plan specifically discusses the small percentage of vulnerable people and ask for them to remain safe and at home. Sometimes what is good for the group is good for the individual.

 

[AtlantaDisneyDreamer]

The guidelines don’t recommend a strict two-week, two-week, two-week timeline. Rather, Phase I is the opening of places where social distancing can be enforced by the venue; i.e., restaurants can space tables far apart, movie theaters can sell every other seat in every other row. After beginning Phase I, the State is then recommended to stabilize the inevitable rise in COVID cases, re-flatten the curve, and after cases start to fall again and decline for two more weeks, then they can start Phase II. Phase II is the opening of essential services where social distancing cannot practically be strictly enforced, such as schools and daycares. Then again, the State manages the rise in cases, flattens the curve, and waits for two weeks of decline. Only then should Phase III start, which includes nonessential mass gathering venues where enforced social distancing is impractical; so, Disney.

I think it is extraordinarily unlikely that following this plan, there is a straight-line, week-over-week reduction in cases that gives Disney the confidence to reopen in June. I’m not an epidemiologist and don’t have a crystal ball, but I think the best case scenario is 6-10 weeks between phases because managing a surge and destabilizing between each phase is part of the plan. So sometime August-October if Phase I starts May 1 everything goes really well.


ETA: Places like Disney Springs could conceivably be Phase I, especially the restaurants. I would think the resorts could be Phase II with reduced capacity. So the parks themselves would be Phase III.

There is not a strict two-week timeline, but there is a possible two-week timeline. That is encouraging.

I know it requires a drop in cases for the two weeks between the phases, so that is what could create more than two weeks between phases.

The Mayor of Orange County also seems to be more positive now than he was a week ago. He was just saying on April 10th that the parks could be closed through summer, but two days ago, he just announced that he taking the first steps to get businesses reopened. He seems like he is trying to encourage the parks to open sooner rather than later.

There seems to be more positivity in general this week than there has been in the last couple of weeks.

No guarantees of anything of course, but it is good to see the optimism.

 

[mhautz]

It doesn't guarantee happiness. Just the pursuit of it.

Well then, let me pursue it!

 

[lilypgirl]

Well then, let me pursue it!

And what better place to do it!!

 

[DynamicDisneyDuo]

There’s so much talk about the phases, but not a word about the gating criteria required in order to move into each phase. It’s not an automatic start at phase one and run through the phases.. states must meet the criteria and hold the criteria in order to progress.
Where some states will fall short of even attaining phase one will be the ability to test both symptomatic (already being done) and asymptomatic persons - then doing contact tracing/tracking for all who test positive. In many places contact tracing has been hit or miss and will need to be tightened up on. I’m not saying it’s impossible - far from it.. but there is still work to be done if phase one is to be rolled out May 1st

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I'm thinking maybe they should have stopped at "...serve older individuals, lower-income Americans" cause everything after that comes across as kinda racist. While those other listed groups may be disproportionately affected (I don't know one way or the other), it's not what the kids today call a good look to call it out like that.

 

[Brocktoon]

The 3 phase plan specifically discusses the small percentage of vulnerable people and ask for them to remain safe and at home. Sometimes what is good for the group is good for the individual.

Phase 3 guidelines will be certainly be interesting to watch as they develop over the coming weeks and months. We'll eventually get more guidelines on the testing and classifying who may be vulnerable. It's a bit of a minefield to make sure those who could be locked down are still treated fairly. For large venues like WDW, I do envision some sort of travel ban from areas that may be a hot spot or still in Phase 1.

 

[woody337]

And what better place to do it!!

There is no better place

 

[magickingdomprincess]

I've seen posters referencing that the mayor would be announcing a guide/path to reopening today, is that correct? Is there a press conference scheduled? I googled but didn't find anything other than forming a task force.

 

[AvidDisReader]

The Federal Guidelines are purposely broad. They are designed to give local states and communities (and businesses like Disney) a large degree of room to make decisions as they see fit. There is no certainty that Florida and Orange county give their OK , and Disney goes along. It very may well be that Disney decides more needs to be put in place before they open their doors. We just do not know. So we can sit back and chat on these forums as it gives us something to do until we get the OK to once again visit the Happiest Place on Earth.

 

[EmJ]

One other factor that I think is missing from the discussion whether it’s each individual’s choice to “take the risk” and the civil liberty (or not) of going to theme parks is that Disney doesn’t just have to keep the health and safety of its guests in mind, but also those 233,000 employees. There are stories every day about grocery workers, Amazon delivery people, truckers, and meat packers that do not feel safe at their jobs. Many have become sick. A historic number of OSHA complaints have been filed due to unsafe working conditions related to COVID. So in order to open, Disney has to be able to demonstrate that it is safe enough for its tens of thousands of employees to be there, mixing with the public and each other, or risk *being* those headlines.