Crowd Levels Down?

Honestly, if those two resorts were not in the same city, they would rarely be compared with each other.
Why not? They're both major theme parks and a lot of people enjoy both. A lot of universal characters are now owned by Disney and they're still in the universal parks ie Simpsons, Spiderman etc.

Universal has copied Disney with a lot of things popcorn buckets, pin trading, food offerings, etc. I feel like all of the theme parks look to Disney and Universal have their very popular IP Shrek, Jurassic Park, Fast and the Furious, How To Train Your Dragon (that did way better than Elio) etc.

And of course Harry Potter, one that Disney really wanted to get their hands on but JK rowling rejected, that they base their rides on.

We just became UO passholders and we are very excited to use their AP lounge and visit Epic, even more excited than going to the Disney parks this time around
 
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We just returned. Yes crowds are way down. I think they are losing to universal studios EPIC. besides that the cost has gone up significantly and there are more costs involved ( pay for fast pass). I remember when you had to book dinner reservations 6 months out. Its odd- even with the free dining they offered thos summer, it was not difficult getting reservations.
 
Why not? They're both major theme parks and a lot of people enjoy both. A lot of universal characters are now owned by Disney and they're still in the universal parks ie Simpsons, Spiderman etc.

Universal has copied Disney with a lot of things popcorn buckets, pin trading, food offerings, etc. I feel like all of the theme parks look to Disney and Universal have their very popular IP Shrek, Jurassic Park, Fast and the Furious, How To Train Your Dragon (that did way better than Elio) etc.

And of course Harry Potter, one that Disney really wanted to get their hands on but JK rowling rejected, that they base their rides on.

We just became UO passholders and we are very excited to use their AP lounge and visit Epic, even more excited than going to the Disney parks this time around

In my opinion, they have of course the Harry Potter lands which are as immersive as anything you’ll find anywhere and a few rides at islands of adventure, but everything else is far below even the worst of Disney World.
 
In my opinion, they have of course the Harry Potter lands which are as immersive as anything you’ll find anywhere and a few rides at islands of adventure, but everything else is far below even the worst of Disney World.
A lot of people would disagree with that. The 9 and 14 year old were going with do not think Disney is thrilling enough and my wife who didnt grow up with Disney thinks that many of the rides are boring and outdated and I can see why.

I was so excited when main st electrical parade came back to Disneyland, but she thought it was lame. I think Disney banks more on people's nostalgia and I think some of the classic rides could use an update, but people would go nuts if that happened
 

I love Universal and go there frequently (like I mentioned earlier, I found the crowd lights there too), but I find the costs (besides the AP) comparable to WDW for similar experiences. Universal IS expensive.
 
I love Universal and go there frequently (like I mentioned earlier, I found the crowd lights there too), but I find the costs (besides the AP) comparable to WDW for similar experiences. Universal IS expensive.
At least universal throws us a bone here and there, the free express passes with their higher end loews hotels is a huge plus, can you imagine disney world throwing in free lightning lane for staying at deluxe 😆
 
At least universal throws us a bone here and there, the free express passes with their higher end loews hotels is a huge plus, can you imagine disney world throwing in free lightning lane for staying at deluxe 😆
Those are pretty nice! Those passes are super expensive for some dates.

They aren't and won't be doing that anymore with new hotels/parks lol
 
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Those are pretty nice! Those passes are super expensive for some dates.

They aren't and won't be doing that anymore with new hotels/parks lol
Im just waiting for them to include epic in a UO annual pass, I wonder if that will ever happen, going there twice is almost as much as my AP
 
This is my third WDW trip in 12 months - last August (2024), the week before Easter (2025), and now this week (checked in Saturday). We did AK and MK on Sunday, TL Monday, MK Tuesday, BB and Epcot today. MK on Sunday evening did feel like lighter crowds, and BB today seemed a bit light. But, every other visit did not seem discernibly different from either Easter week or August last year. TL was very busy on Monday, MK was busy as ever on Tuesday, and Epcot was hopping tonight. Went to Disney Springs before Epcot for dinner, and also very, very busy - I had not been in years, and I was honestly a bit surprised just how busy it was. Of course, those are my very subjective sentiments, so take it for what it's worth.
 
This is my third WDW trip in 12 months - last August (2024), the week before Easter (2025), and now this week (checked in Saturday). We did AK and MK on Sunday, TL Monday, MK Tuesday, BB and Epcot today. MK on Sunday evening did feel like lighter crowds, and BB today seemed a bit light. But, every other visit did not seem discernibly different from either Easter week or August last year. TL was very busy on Monday, MK was busy as ever on Tuesday, and Epcot was hopping tonight. Went to Disney Springs before Epcot for dinner, and also very, very busy - I had not been in years, and I was honestly a bit surprised just how busy it was. Of course, those are my very subjective sentiments, so take it for what it's worth.
Just leaving DLR and I thought it would be a slow day since two new attractions open tomorrow plus the actual 70th and it was packed, also having a bad day operationally). Worse than it’s been here in a year— but we usually go on weekends. Maybe pass holder blackouts really do help with crowds?
 
This is not a fair comparison. One is a seasonal pass to 2 parks with a block-out of over 2 months. The other is for 4 parks and has no block-out dates.
Was going to comment the same thing. The 3 park Premier pass for non Florida residents is $1094.99. If you're going to do the comparison, at least give accurate info instead of cherry picking.
 
With active constructions at all parks I doubt it'll be up anytime soon.
This is the biggest thing for us right now. Big Thunder is closed, we just lost Tom Sawyer Island and there's going to be just a giant mess of construction in that part of the park for ages especially with the Villains land kicking off.... Animal Kingdom is losing the Boneyard playground.... It just feels like it's better to go back in a few years when everything is done or mostly done.

We're waiting on projects to be finished at Disney Adventure World in Paris also. Looks like the Lion King area won't be done until 2028.

So then if we do a Disney park, it might be Disneyland in Anaheim or Tokyo.

We have to fly in wherever we go anyway, coming from Nebraska, so it's not a huge difference for us if the flights are a few hours longer to get to Tokyo. Regardless, it's hard to justify spending so much on park tickets when you don't feel like you're getting the full park experience.
 
This is not a fair comparison. One is a seasonal pass to 2 parks with a block-out of over 2 months. The other is for 4 parks and has no block-out dates.

Was going to comment the same thing. The 3 park Premier pass for non Florida residents is $1094.99. If you're going to do the comparison, at least give accurate info instead of cherry picking.
Im not cherry picking anything and my information is accurate. Disney world does not offer a pass to non Florida residents that is under $1,500, which is why i said price for outsiders, so yes it is a fair comparison.

The Pixie Dust pass is not offered to non Florida residents which would be a more appropriate comparison (still more expensive), except it cannot even be compared because it is not available to most and you are forced to buy a $1500 pass if you want to have an AP at Disney World. Sure it has no blockout dates, but thats the only choice you have so therefore it is the only pass that can be compared to the lowest access pass available to everyone for Universal. You cant compare a cheaper price you have zero access to. Not everyone that is DVC is eligible for Sorcerer pass either, myself included.

Everyone can get a much cheaper pass at Universal by comparison. With Universal, you have many options that are more affordable. A person that doesnt live in Florida that wants an annual pass can either buy a $1500 Disney World Annual pass OR a much cheaper pass at Universal Studios. Or both if they're inclined.
 
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I'm at Disney World generally every 3 months or so, since I live a 3 hr drive away and have DVC. The crowds at all the parks have changed since Covid - one of the stranger things I noticed is that often the parks can feel quite packed - negotiating down Main Street or Hollywood Blvd, or stopping at food & drink spots in Epcot, it often feels really packed, shoulder to shoulder at times, and long lines for drinks and food...really very few 'down times' like there used to be where some months would be nearly empty. BUT - ride standby times have been surprisingly low much of the time. I never buy any of the LL passes or extra cost passes for any rides when I go, so if I want to get on a ride, it's walk-up standby only. With few exceptions, I can get onto just about any ride within 30 minutes or less. There have been times where I'll see Haunted Mansion at 50 min, or Space Mountain at 60 min - but skipping it and circling back later in the day, I'll see a 20-40 minute wait time for the same rides. I've seen Kilimanjaro at AK run 60 min on some busy feeling days, then 2 hours later it's 10 minutes.

Also, one of the most packed, crowded feeling parts of Disney World since Covid is usually Disney Springs, especially evenings. It seems like there are a lot of people still coming to the resorts, and the parks, but not trying to cram onto rides all day...or skipping the parks (maybe hitting other theme parks, taking more 'resort days', etc. There have been times I walk into a park and think 'ugh' - this is going to be a packed day and I'm not going to get on any of the rides or get any food...then I actually start pushing through the crowd and find I can hit most of the rides I want and generally get food or drinks just by being flexible on times or locations - I'll pass one quick serve spot that looks way too packed, and find another where only 2-3 people are waiting ahead of me. Skip prime lunch hour, and I can usually score a snack or quick lunch food.

Now, some recent days have been surprisingly nice with park crowds - this Mid-June I was there, and my first day at MK had that packed, crowded street feel but no problems getting on rides...then second day at Epcot, and it was much more wide-open, no heavy crowds milling about, and most rides were almost walk-on (10 minutes or less for everything except Frozen, Galaxy, and Soarin...and even Soarin was only 15 min and Frozen was 40). The only thing that felt a little more crowded were the food booths, that all seemed to have lines of 20+ people. If you just wanted a beverage, most of those spots like Oasis and Refreshment Port were 5 people or less.

Next trip is mid-September during Food & Wine - generally I find the same for all parks in September - they feel packed, but it's more just people milling about the common spaces - and any rides with long waits will fall and rise throughout the day - so if it's long, circle back in an hour or two. Epcot will feel a lot more crowded of course, and all the food and bar lines will be long as they always are, but I expect rides won't be bad, and reservations for restaurants are usually easy to score since so many are doing the food booths all day.
 
Im not cherry picking anything. Disney world does not offer a pass to non Florida residents that is under $1,500, which is why i said price for outsiders, so yes it is a fair comparison.

The Pixie Dust pass is not offered to non Florida residents which would be a more appropriate comparison, except it is not available to most and you are forced to buy a $1500 pass if you want to have an AP at Disney World. Sure it has no blockout dates, but thats the only choice you have so therefore it is the only pass that can be compared to the lowest access pass available to everyone for Universal. Not everyone that is DVC is eligible for Sorcerer pass either, myself included.

Everyone can get a much cheaper pass at Universal by comparison. With Universal, you have many options that are more affordable.

Disney's annual pass is atrociously expensive. Coming from Nebraska with 5 of us, there's no scenario where we could visit the parks enough to justify the expense, especially because more days in the park = more spending on flights, more spending on hotels, and more spending on mediocre food. And we're DVC owners with a pretty healthy number of points. And there's still no way that math works out. Also, if we had annual passes, it would mean our entire vacation schedule would just be built around Disney World, we wouldn't ever get out and about in the Orlando area, much less travel to other areas. Why feel pressure to go into the parks to "get your money's worth" if you'd rather go kayaking at a cool state park in the area? And we wouldn't have gone to Hilton Head or Aulani or Vero Beach most likely if we had an annual passes.
 
Disney's annual pass is atrociously expensive. Coming from Nebraska with 5 of us, there's no scenario where we could visit the parks enough to justify the expense, especially because more days in the park = more spending on flights, more spending on hotels, and more spending on mediocre food. And we're DVC owners with a pretty healthy number of points. And there's still no way that math works out. Also, if we had annual passes, it would mean our entire vacation schedule would just be built around Disney World, we wouldn't ever get out and about in the Orlando area, much less travel to other areas. Why feel pressure to go into the parks to "get your money's worth" if you'd rather go kayaking at a cool state park in the area? And we wouldn't have gone to Hilton Head or Aulani or Vero Beach most likely if we had an annual passes.
Yep agreed and exactly my point of why people turn to Universal (even though its pretty awesome regardless!). An outsider wanting an annual pass at WDW has to pay 4-5x more than having access to an annual pass at UO
 
Also, one of the most packed, crowded feeling parts of Disney World since Covid is usually Disney Springs, especially evenings.

My suggestion would not help with crowds at Disney Springs, but over by the Drawn to Life show, I would add 2 dark rides that are à la carte. On an à la carte basis, you could probably pretty easily negotiate with Universal to do some revenue sharing on Marvel rides that would otherwise not be cost effective to sub-license back from Universal if they were at the parks.

There are so many thousands of people at Disney Springs, I would give them an opportunity for upsells on experiences, not just retail.
 
I think low crowds are part of a broader economic trend. Las Vegas has the same chatter about low crowds this summer, airlines are reporting less leisure travel, LVMH (the corporation which owns most of the luxury brands you've ever heard of) is experiencing a "historic slump". We have gone from "revenge travel" to "revenge saving". People aren't in the mood for a $5k vacation as much as they used to.

And yes, the issues specific to Disney/Orlando add to it.
 
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