This is an interesting thread and I'm sure DCL is taking notice. We booked our 3rd DCL next spring break - and we specifically booked it then because my DD will be 18 and (her words) "finally able to hang out in the adult areas with you guys." Yes, it's a small thing but, for her, it's another milestone that she's had to wait for. So, I completely understand how the OP and her son feel.
I think this is getting little blown out of proportion. I have a 5 year old and on our cruise last year we did not take her into the adults only places. However, if the mama was just getting drinks and leaving big deal, right? She may have been a single mom with kids that have separation anxiety. My daughter only went to the club's twice,but my husband was with us so we took turns going into adults only spaces. A couple of sweet little girls coming in and getting a drink with their mom wouldn't have ruined my trip. I realize and respect the value of adults only areas (I have a child that talks non stop...I understand the need for silence), but those kids didn't hurt anyone. They didn't stay. If they had sat down,yeah I would have been upset. But they didn't. Take a deep breath and be more thoughtful and gracious. You never know what was going on with that lady and her kids. Come on y'all...extend some kindness.
YES, YES, YES. Unfortunately for the most part Disney will not enforce their own policies because more than 90% of their guests follow those policies already. They have determined it's easier to look the other way and not confront a guest who feels they are entitled to do what ever they want. DCL is expensive but money still cannot but class or manners.
At the end of the day, we're all responsible for our own behavior. We can do what we will to set a good example and abide by the rules DCL has made (as well as "Wheaton's Law", which boils down to, "don't be a ****.") It's a simple fact: on most cruises, there's "that person" who believes the rules don't apply because they spent sooooo much money and it's a family cruise and how dare you impune them and mind your own business! It's also a simple fact that all of us have it within ourselves not to be "that person". In fact, I actively try not to be "that person", and if I catch myself going there, I try to apologize and make it right. A violation of the adults-only area is not enough to ruin my vacation. It may be enough for me to mention something to a CM, and if that is ignored and/or if it's an ongoing problem, it's worth reporting to Guest Services and/or mentioning on a comment card. The last simple fact is that no vacation, no cruise, no Major Life Event is ever absolutely, 100% fairy-tale perfect. There's always something that goes a little south. How we react to those unexpected imperfections has a huge impact on how we perceive the overall event. If we treat imperfections as unimportant, little things, they'll barely be remembered. If we treat them as catastrophic problems, our perception and memory of the event will be significantly less awesome.
I have been following this thread with interest.
As indicated by my username, I love children. I have dedicated my life to children. I love newborns and infants and toddlers and preschoolers and school aged kids and adolescents and children (of all ages) at heart.
I love my own child more than I can possibly describe.
But I do not want to see any children in Cove Cafe or Palo or Remy. Ever. Not even my own darling, whom I have taught to respect boundaries, as good boundaries actually promote freedom, contrary to the belief of the entitled folks whom fail to see that their decision to do as they please, whenever they please, encroaches upon the "freedom" of people around them. That freedom and responsibility cannot be separated, but are inextricably intertwined.
So, when I see children in the Cove Cafe, I stare, long and hard, at the parent/grandparent/whomever has brought the child into the space where they are not invited, and do not belong. Sometimes I even tilt my head to the side, with the "really?" Expression on my face. But I don't say a word, not even if they glare at me or make a disgruntled comment toward me. I keep my lips pursed. Just stare. Seems to clear them out in a hurry.
I love the power of silence.
Bummer is that the baristas seem completly stuck. I really really wish that DCL would come down hard on folks that encroach the adults only spaces.
If it gets too ridiculous, I'll go elsewhere. No worries. Other places to spend my hard earned cash.
Anyway, thanks for the great read!
I agree, the cafe is for adults. I don't agree with people freaking out about a parent walking their kid through the adult area to get to another area. If there are just passing through quickly there shouldn't be an issue.
I agree, the cafe is for adults. I don't agree with people freaking out about a parent walking their kid through the adult area to get to another area. If there are just passing through quickly there shouldn't be an issue.
I agree, the cafe is for adults. I don't agree with people freaking out about a parent walking their kid through the adult area to get to another area. If there are just passing through quickly there shouldn't be an issue.
This is an interesting thread and I'm sure DCL is taking notice. We booked our 3rd DCL next spring break - and we specifically booked it then because my DD will be 18 and (her words) "finally able to hang out in the adult areas with you guys." Yes, it's a small thing but, for her, it's another milestone that she's had to wait for. So, I completely understand how the OP and her son feel.
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I feel sorry for the underpaid cm who has to police and pick up after the adults and children who are just when it comes right down to it inconsiderate of others. But it is the job they chose and if part of their job is to police after us selfish, inconsiderate cruisers then that is their job.
Too bad the cm's aren't armed with the resource like a demerit point system - i.e. If a cm catches a rule infractor they have the power to reduce someone's castaway club status. Or give a fine right to someone's onboard account. Maybe then people will start being considerate of rules and other people. otherwise people will just continue to break rules, because these days following rules only seem to matter to people when it affects their own wallets.
that's the society we live in today, in my opinion