Could Disney manufacture their own tests kits to aid park opening.

I understand what you are saying but everything Disney have ever done has been difficult, but it has never stopped them before.
In my mind if they can open a theme park in CHINA then they can manufacture there own tests. I take your point that it would take time and may not be up and running in time for this current virus but it could be in place for any future virus's.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that every time there is an outbreak you wouldn't want to be joining a queue with other buyers while your company loses 30 million dollars per day.

Just giving you the reality. Disney is not a manufacturer. Disney pays manufacturers to make their products for them. They do it for toys, and you can be sure they would do it for something as regulated and serious as medical devices.

This all could be said about hand sanitizer, too (which is an OTC drug in the US and is regulated by the FDA), and they are not making their own hand sanitizer. And hand sanitizer is far less difficult from start to finish than virus testing.

So again: no. Disney will not manufacture their own tests. If they really desire to have tests, they will pay someone else to handle it.
 
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I struggle with this idea. I can’t see them testing everyone going into the park in a timely fashion or making their own tests. It’s really not their wheel house. Realistically I can see them taking people’s temperature. But as I think about that at my own work, it presents a lot of challenges.

I still think it boils down to is whether the parks before a vaccine becomes available are worth going to given all of the attentional hoops folks are going to have to jump through. It’s going to be a very limited experience.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-passengers-blood-test-covid-19/index.htmlIf companies can perform a test for antibodies on a plane, Disney can replicate that process in the parks.

I think this is plausible IF they combined it with an app/linked it to your Disney account somehow, that your ticket could only be used by someone who tested positive for the antibodies that indicated they had immunity? So lines for those who have been tested by Disney and those who haven't, you would take the serological test on the first day of your trip, then on subsequent days you would have a "go straight to scanning your Magic Band/ticket at DL" line.

Or, come to think of it, they could even send you a test with your magic bands, you mail it back, then your status would be in your Disney account before you ever step foot off of the plane?

The manufacturing of tests, I agree with others that they'd probably contract it out. But performing tests on every park visitor, that's in the realm of possibility. Not necessarily a likely scenario, but not implausible.

Btw, good discussion starter question OP.
 
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Disney is not going to make their own tests. They are not going to test everyone at the park. I'd be highly surprised if they ever test anyone other than maybe employees. Even that is a stretch. There is a lot of liability doing that. They are better off testing no one.
Why is there a lot of liability if everyone who enters Disney's private property sign a disclaimer. There is more chance of actually saving lives at the gates of the parks if someone tests positive and receives treatment sooner rather than later.
 
Just giving you the reality. Disney is not a manufacturer. Disney pays manufacturers to make their products for them. They do it for toys, and you can be sure they would do it for something as regulated and serious as medical devices.

This all could be said about hand sanitizer, too (which is an OTC drug in the US and is regulated by the FDA), and they are not making their own hand sanitizer. They have paid a manufacturer to manufacture it for them. And hand sanitizer is far less difficult from start to finish than virus testing.

So again: no. Disney will not manufacture their own tests. If they really desire to have tests, they will pay someone else to handle it.
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I see where you are coming from but if companies stop making toys for Disney for some global reason, Disney isn't going to lose 30 million dollars a day. Disney is not a nationwide energy supplier but it owns Reedy Creek Energy Services that provides energy to the Disney world area. If they can own an energy company they could own a company that manufactures tests solely for them.
 

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-passengers-blood-test-covid-19/index.htmlIf companies can perform a test for antibodies on a plane, Disney can replicate that process in the parks.

I think this is plausible IF they combined it with an app/linked it to your Disney account somehow, that your ticket could only be used by someone who tested positive for the antibodies that indicated they had immunity? So lines for those who have been tested by Disney and those who haven't, you would take the serological test on the first day of your trip, then on subsequent days you would have a "go straight to scanning your Magic Band/ticket at DL" line.

Or, come to think of it, they could even send you a test with your magic bands, you mail it back, then your status would be in your Disney account before you ever step foot off of the plane?

The manufacturing of tests, I agree with others that they'd probably contract it out. But performing tests on every park visitor, that's in the realm of possibility. Not necessarily a likely scenario, but not implausible.

Btw, good discussion starter question OP.
Some good ideas there. My wife and I were in Shanghai Disneyland last year. who would ever have thought that............well apart from Bob Iger :)
 
Only if you have a high number of actual positives.

In this situation, what you actually care about is negative predictive value - if someone has a negative test, what is the probability that they are actually negative. This builds in the issue of prevalence.

But it still means that you’re going to want to test more than once. I don’t see this at all doable for admission into a theme park.
 
But it still means that you’re going to want to test more than once. I don’t see this at all doable for admission into a theme park.
It's at least 14 theme parks with 150 million people a year getting tested at least once when required. If Disney added the cost of testing on to our ticket we would go, it's as simple as that. We love the place and we would feel safe because Disney was in control of looking after us.
 
Cost isn’t the only issue; it’s also a resources and supply issue. Any company (Disney or another) can only manufacture so many tests a day.

If we assume MK operates at its average capacity, which is about 55,000 guests per day, they would need nearly 5 million tests kits in just three months of operation. To put that in perspective, the U.S. as whole has only performed just shy of 4.7 million tests in the last three months. That’s including all the tests that take several days to give a result. Obviously that number will grow exponentially in the coming weeks, but in many areas, people still have to wait before getting a test. Before those test kits are available on a more widespread basis for private enterprises, we’re going to have to have tested A LOT more people. The situation in every country is different (some have more tests available or smaller populations for example), which is why you might see some companies in other countries start testing customers. In the U.S., I don’t think companies would be allowed to buy up massive stockpiles of tests. Not only would it be a bad PR look, but they’ve been stopped from doing it for gloves, masks, and other protective equipment (hospitals and essential services have been given first dibs), so I’d imagine testing kits would be the same.

Also, I’m not sure you could just test people once during a weeklong vacation. If the parks were only open to resort guests and Disney didn’t let you leave property until your vacation over (in other words, once you leave Disney property, you’re not coming back), then yeah, you’d only need to test once. But if that weren’t the case, somebody could go to a nearby restaurant for example and touch a surface that had been touched by someone with COVID-19, contract the virus, and be spreading it without symptoms just a day or two later in the parks. Or somebody could get in an uber with a driver that is asymptomatic but contagious. You’d only pick that up if you were testing on a rolling basis, and if Disney is going to be operating that parks with near-normal protocol because of the security of testing, then just a handful of people contracting the virus could turn into a major outbreak. Regardless, either way you’re still talking about literally millions of tests, all of which are not necessarily cheap to purchase or produce.

Even if Disney wanted to and was somehow able to manufacture the tests, they’d need the same supplies and materials everyone else needs, and the amount of those supplies are also fixed. They’d be competing for those resources alongside pharmaceutical companies who intend to use the tests for hospitals and medical facilities. Even if Disney had more financial means than those pharmaceutical companies (which is doubtful right now), it would be disastrous PR for Disney to be seen as starting a bidding war with traditional test manufacturers just so they can open their theme parks.

Again, this is all assuming their timeline for reopening would be sometime in the summer. The resources and supply situation might be a bit different in the fall or early next year.

Ultimately, I just think WDW will make the calculation that it’s far more efficient and feasible to just take guests’ temperatures and have them sign a form releasing WDW of any liability if they contract COVID-19 than it is to pour billions of dollars into creating or even just obtaining literally hundreds of thousands of test kits each week. I think the calculation could be very different for DCL but that’s a whole other animal.
 
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We've all seen some of the proposed plans/ideas for re-opening the parks and resorts. So many moving parts and conditions to consider. Personally, I just don't see how Disney can re-open their facilities to the public without an astonishing amount of risk and extra expenditures.

Testing, temp checks, social distancing, extra security, restricted movement on property, limited capacity in restaurants, college program kids unavailable for duty, transportation cut-backs. On and on it goes.

I don't believe we have any hard data on exposure/transmission of the virus from folks that were in the parks and resorts before the lockdowns and shut downs began. That was over a month ago. Something tells me that those numbers would be a bit unsettling, to say the least.

What are the protocols if guests test positive? How often will employees be screened? What happens if they test positive? How will Disney be able to clean and sanitize all of the surfaces that people are going to touch? Will Disney be able to procure all the supplies needed to operate efficiently? Lots of shortages worldwide.

Some models are showing that Florida might not even peak until early to mid-June. That peak might happen earlier. Maybe it doesn't peak until later. No one really knows. What if Disney opens the parks for a month and we start seeing an increase of cases coming out of the resorts? Disney would lose astronomical amounts of money if they had to shut everything down for a second time.

Like it or not, we're still living in the midst of a pandemic. I understand that people are getting stir crazy and desperately want a return to normalcy. Disney is a huge entity with enormous resources. Mother Nature is bigger, badder and undefeated.

A trip to WDW is starting to sound like a trip to a huge M*A*S*H unit with dark rides and rollercoasters. We'll get to the point in time when all of this speculation goes away and everyone can freely enjoy everything in the parks and resorts. However, it doesn't seem like we'll reach that point for a while.

Not everyone will agree with me. That's fine. Just hoping that we all stay safe and healthy. Let medical and scientific data determine when everything re-opens.
 
No, it doesn't mean that.

First, there is both sensitivity (probably that someone with the disease will test positive) and specificity (probability that someone without the disease will test negative).

At an extreme, you could have a test with 100% sensitivity and 0% specificity (basically, everyone tests positive). If everyone tested had the disease, it would be accurate 100% of the time. If everyone tested didn't have the disease, it would never be accurate. You need to know the seroprevalence (% of people who actually have the disease/should test positive) to know what percentage of the time the test is accurate.

And then we get into positive (and negative) predictive values.

Sorry, my PhD is in epidemiology, so I just can't help but correct.

If you're interested, there is a relevant Twitter thread that I read earlier today.
Science Matters!
 
Why is there a lot of liability if everyone who enters Disney's private property sign a disclaimer. There is more chance of actually saving lives at the gates of the parks if someone tests positive and receives treatment sooner rather than later.

First of all, waivers are barely worth the paper they are written on. There's a lot of circumstances they aren't enforceable.

But the liability question was in regards to testing. Too many false negatives and false positives. Give someone a false negative and they might go hug gramma cause Disney said they didn't have it. Or think they just picked up a cold at WDW and not go to the Doctor. False positive, you send someone home from their $10,000 trip and they get cleared by their doctor and they are suing for damages.

I'd be shocked if they did either waivers or testing.
 
HIPPA aside for a moment. We are talking about 2 different types of tests here. One is looking for active infection aka contagious. And the other is looking for immunity, had it, are no longer contagious.

Problems:
  • HIPPA is a big deal in the USA and does Disney really want to be in the business of protecting private health information for the general public?
  • Testing on that scale is a very large undertaking? You would need a large efficient lab to process the tests.
  • Discrimination law suits - I can't go to Disney because I don't show immunity.... I sue Disney... Others join... A class action lawsuit is born.
I'm going with this will never happen.
 
HIPPA aside for a moment. We are talking about 2 different types of tests here. One is looking for active infection aka contagious. And the other is looking for immunity, had it, are no longer contagious.

Problems:
  • HIPPA is a big deal in the USA and does Disney really want to be in the business of protecting private health information for the general public?
  • Testing on that scale is a very large undertaking? You would need a large efficient lab to process the tests.
  • Discrimination law suits - I can't go to Disney because I don't show immunity.... I sue Disney... Others join... A class action lawsuit is born.
I'm going with this will never happen.

This is all very true and I agree 100%. For those that would say Disney is a private business and they can do what they want. No. They can't. Just as they cannot discriminate against handicap, race, religion etc. etc., they cannot do this either. Different circumstances for sure, but their is no way anyone would need to be submitted to pre-entry testing. Not going to happen. Even if it did, what's Disney going to do when a family of people arrive and one of them can't enter a park? Give them their money back? Give all their money back? Pay for their trip back home? Way, way too complicated and too many legal implications.

I'm going out on a limb here, but same thing goes for forcing anyone to where a mask. All someone has to say is nope, sorry, can't due to a medical condition and they have no way to force them too and cannot ask them why. Besides, what's the point of enforcing masks in a theme park where 25% of the people are eating without a mask on anyway. Sorry, didn't mean to start going off, lol.
 
Why is there a lot of liability if everyone who enters Disney's private property sign a disclaimer. There is more chance of actually saving lives at the gates of the parks if someone tests positive and receives treatment sooner rather than later.
False negatives and violation of HIPPA. Having you sign a waiver, is coercion to receive the test. Screening for temp, and asking about symptoms, and contact with CoV2+ patients is probably the most they can legally do. And there will still be some yahoo that attempts to start a lawsuit regarding the screening.
 
This is all very true and I agree 100%. For those that would say Disney is a private business and they can do what they want. No. They can't. Just as they cannot discriminate against handicap, race, religion etc. etc., they cannot do this either. Different circumstances for sure, but their is no way anyone would need to be submitted to pre-entry testing. Not going to happen. Even if it did, what's Disney going to do when a family of people arrive and one of them can't enter a park? Give them their money back? Give all their money back? Pay for their trip back home? Way, way too complicated and too many legal implications.

I'm going out on a limb here, but same thing goes for forcing anyone to where a mask. All someone has to say is nope, sorry, can't due to a medical condition and they have no way to force them too and cannot ask them why. Besides, what's the point of enforcing masks in a theme park where 25% of the people are eating without a mask on anyway. Sorry, didn't mean to start going off, lol.
Surely if a family turned up and one of them can't enter the park it would be because they had the Virus. In this instance they should be taken to the hospital. Money or entering the park for the rest of the family should be the least of their worries.
 
Surely if a family turned up and one of them can't enter the park it would be because they had the Virus. In this instance they should be taken to the hospital. Money or entering the park for the rest of the family should be the least of their worries.
Unless they are suffering from severe symptoms (& if that were the case, they wouldn't be trying to go to Magic Kingdom), people with COVID are directed to go home, not to the hospital. Doctors tell asymptomatic and mild symptom patients to quarantine at home and self-medicate if needed for any mild symptoms.
 





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