COSTUMES NO MORE FOR ADULTS!

[Angel Ariel]

I'm sure most people do understand very well.
I was referring to some specific comments by people who sound as though they think there's no way anything bad can or will ever happen at WDW.

I think most people understand at this point that bad things can happen anywhere.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Just asking here, but why would you groan and roll your eyes because someone is wearing a costume?

I agree..I don't get why anyone else would care at all if another adult is in a costume or not. No one here is arguing for wearing a costume all day every day - as that has been a rule for adults for a long time. People are commenting about the change to the policy that costumes are no longer allowed over 14 y/o at a *halloween* party. Why in the world would anyone dressing up at a Halloween party be eye roll worthy?

 

[Jerusalem Gal]

Bad things can happen anywhere. Feeding the Fear will just make things worse.

I agree it's not a good idea to feed the fear. I just think certain safety precautions are not a bad thing.
And like I said in my original post, none of us can see the full picture. There are reasons for these kinds of decisions.

I agree with you to an extent. However, most terror cells will do their research. Metal detectors are great.....for catching your every day goof that's trying to sneak in his handgun or some brass knuckles. Any terrorist worth his weight in any precious metal will not be bringing in any metallic based materials to do his bidding. And the costume thing is a joke. I'm still at a loss on how they came to the conclusion that 14 years of age is where the cutoff will be. Did they poll 1000 jihadists and determine that 14 is when they stop using their youngins to wage war with the infidels?

Reading your post made my stomach turn. I come from a country where it's fairly normal for 14 year olds to commit terror attacks. Actually, sometimes they're even younger. Say, 13 maybe? Or even 11.
This is not meant as a political post at all. My point is that of course there's no cutoff age and of course banning costumes and putting up metal detectors won't stop a "professional" from a well organized group.
BUT this may deter smaller threats and once again- we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

I think most people understand at this point that bad things can happen anywhere.

Yes, I completely agree. And as I replied to kittyab, I believe precautions of any and all kinds should be welcome.

 

[kittyab]

Yes, I completely agree. And as I replied to kittyab, I believe precautions of any and all kinds should be welcome.

Even when the precautions are silly? I hope everyone realizes the next thing to be banned will be large bags, liquids and outside food. I don't want to hear they can't do that, it is private property they can do what they want. If you don't like it, don't come.

 

[gdrj]

The military would be armed themselves and trained to fire upon any active shooter. If any shooter were to open fire, he'd be taken out in a matter of seconds by soldiers.

There so many issues with this thought process, that show slack of understanding, military rules of engagement to name one. PLEASE leave security decisions to the professionals.

 

[Jerusalem Gal]

Even when the precautions are silly? I hope everyone realizes the next thing to be banned will be large bags, liquids and outside food. I don't want to hear they can't do that, it is private property they can do what they want. If you don't like it, don't come.

I don't know what precautions are silly and what aren't. It's not my place to decide. When my tiny pocketbook gets checked by a security guard at the mall, I say thank you and let him do his job. When I'm asked at the airport if I packed my own luggage and if it's been out of my sight since and if anyone gave me anything to take back with me, I smile and say, yes, I packed on my own, no, my suitcase was with me the whole time, no, no one asked that I bring anything back for them. And that's even if I feel stupid and silly, because both me and the security person (probably) know that I'm no terrorist. It doesn't matter. They have their reasons.
Unless someone really has inside information on the reasons Disney is doing this, I don't think it's right of us to judge.
I'm ok with ranting, BTW. I think it's fine to be miserable when something you like is taken away. For me it's like the Osborne lights. I hate that they're going away.And like you said, if I don't like it, I won't come.
(Nah, try and stop me from coming!)

 

[draybook]

I agree it's not a good idea to feed the fear. I just think certain safety precautions are not a bad thing.
And like I said in my original post, none of us can see the full picture. There are reasons for these kinds of decisions.


Reading your post made my stomach turn. I come from a country where it's fairly normal for 14 year olds to commit terror attacks. Actually, sometimes they're even younger. Say, 13 maybe? Or even 11.
This is not meant as a political post at all. My point is that of course there's no cutoff age and of course banning costumes and putting up metal detectors won't stop a "professional" from a well organized group.
BUT this may deter smaller threats and once again- we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.


Yes, I completely agree. And as I replied to kittyab, I believe precautions of any and all kinds should be welcome.

Yes, I'm familiar with Israel. I also know that terrorists don't have a cutoff age, so 14 y/o seems like a weird age for Disney to set as the bar.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes, I'm familiar with Israel. I also know that terrorists don't have a cutoff age, so 14 y/o seems like a weird age for Disney to set as the bar.

I'm surprised they didn't go with 12 since that's the cutoff for BBB.

But I'm sure people will push the limits since most kids don't even start carrying ID until they get a license at 16.

 

[Jerusalem Gal]

Yes, I'm familiar with Israel. I also know that terrorists don't have a cutoff age, so 14 y/o seems like a weird age for Disney to set as the bar.

It's not that weird, but like I said, I don't know what information they have that we don't. I would like to think that they do take serious security measures with so many people around every day.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree it's not a good idea to feed the fear. I just think certain safety precautions are not a bad thing.
And like I said in my original post, none of us can see the full picture. There are reasons for these kinds of decisions.

Yes, I completely agree. And as I replied to kittyab, I believe precautions of any and all kinds should be welcome.

Yes there are reasons for these decisions. I just don't think the reason behind the MNSSHP costume rule has anything to do with security. I agree with a PP. I think they wanted to institute this for other reasons, and are using this opportunity of adding metal detectors to also add the costume policy change.

As for precautions of all kinds should be welcome..this is one where we will have to agree to disagree. There are limits. I have no desire to end up living in a country where there are metal detectors to enter every building because "precautions of all kinds should be welcome".

 

[Jerusalem Gal]

Yes there are reasons for these decisions. I just don't think the reason behind the MNSSHP costume rule has anything to do with security. I agree with a PP. I think they wanted to institute this for other reasons, and are using this opportunity of adding metal detectors to also add the costume policy change.

As for precautions of all kinds should be welcome..this is one where we will have to agree to disagree. There are limits. I have no desire to end up living in a country where there are metal detectors to enter every building because "precautions of all kinds should be welcome".

I really don't know about the MNSSHP, and if there are really other reasons and it's not because of security issues, I'll shut up and just be sad
As for living in a country full of metal detectors..... I just hope and pray that you never ever reach that point. That's the reality in other parts of the world and it's awful.
But I'd like to feel as safe as possible, thank you. If that means getting my bag checked everywhere, so be it. The US has not and hopefully will not be in that situation.

 

[Angel Ariel]

As for living in a country full of metal detectors..... I just hope and pray that you never ever reach that point. That's the reality in other parts of the world and it's awful.
But I'd like to feel as safe as possible, thank you. If that means getting my bag checked everywhere, so be it. The US has not and hopefully will not be in that situation.

I understand that's reality in other places. And it is awful. I won't comment on this route anymore as I fear it will go into political discussion and get the thread closed.

I do feel as safe as possible. Adding 4 metal detectors at the entrance to MK for random screenings does nothing to make me feel safer. It is security theatre. It makes some people feel more safe, but imo it isn't more safe. Everyone's bags were already being checked. Disney also has had LOTS of security in place prior to this. The unseen security measures they already had make me feel a lot more safe than the addition of a very small # of metal detectors outside the parks does.

 

[Jerusalem Gal]

I understand that's reality in other places. And it is awful. I won't comment on this route anymore as I fear it will go into political discussion and get the thread closed.

I do feel as safe as possible. Adding 4 metal detectors at the entrance to MK for random screenings does nothing to make me feel safer. It is security theatre. It makes some people feel more safe, but imo it isn't more safe. Everyone's bags were already being checked. Disney also has had LOTS of security in place prior to this. The unseen security measures they already had make me feel a lot more safe than the addition of a very small # of metal detectors outside the parks does.

I understand. For now let's just hope for peace together

 

[kittyab]

I agree with Angel Ariel, the Halloween party costume issue, is not a security issue.

I was talking to DH if WDW gets too wacky with the security we might go somewhere else.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Given that multiple Orlando parks put security restrictions in place at once, consider that these rules may not have been entirely of Disney's crafting.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Given that multiple Orlando parks put security restrictions in place at once, consider that these rules may not have been entirely of Disney's crafting.

I believe that to be the case for the metal detectors. I'm less sold on that being the reason for the MNSSHP change, since there's no possible immediate threat for that as that even won't occur again for another 10 months.

 

[FeralCatRogue]

Take it with a grain of salt since of course we know that CM's may be wrong but this was my response form disney.
Me : "I am seeing a bunch of sites stating that adults will not be allowed to wear halloween costumes at mnsshp starting this year. I was hoping someone could confirm or deny if this is a new policy. If it is the policy now this would be disheartening to hear since I quite enjoy spending my halloween in Disney World being able to be a kid again by trick or treating and dressing up."
CM : "Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World® Resort.

As of right now we are adjusting our policy on costumes and Guests ages 14 years and older are no longer permitted to wear costumes into the theme parks. This is strictly for security purposes, we hope you understand.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

eCommerce Sales and Service Team"

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I believe that to be the case for the metal detectors. I'm less sold on that being the reason for the MNSSHP change, since there's no possible immediate threat for that as that even won't occur again for another 10 months.

The metal detectors definitely involve outside agency. It is otherwise darn weird that everyone gets the metal detectors at the same time.

 

[draybook]

I agree with Angel Ariel, the Halloween party costume issue, is not a security issue.

I was talking to DH if WDW gets too wacky with the security we might go somewhere else.

We have already sat down and discussed it. If they cut out our teens from dressing up for the Halloween nights then we won't be returning. That's part of the reason we brave the heat and humidity during September. And why in the world would we want to spend $250+ per party(we always do 3) just to trick or treat in our regular clothes?

 

[kittyab]

We have already sat down and discussed it. If they cut out our teens from dressing up for the Halloween nights then we won't be returning. That's part of the reason we brave the heat and humidity during September. And why in the world would we want to spend $250+ per party(we always do 3) just to trick or treat in our regular clothes?

For us that is a big part of the fun seeing all the costumes. It is so cool to see how creative some people can be with them. For us it really helps with the party atmosphere.