Copper Creek

[Pyotr]

Hello everyone,

Me and my wife did the Copper Creek tour over the weekend and we were blown away by the resort. I had never been in the Wilderness Lodge before. My wife was ready to buy right then but I wanted to think about it for a few days. After reading over some of the threads in this forum I have a few concerns.

Some people said there were studio availability issues at the 11th month mark due to the cabins. Is this true of the 1 and 2 bedrooms as well? We would mostly be using the 1 bedrooms.

I just want to make sure I would be able to get a room when I need it for before I commit.

 

[Matty B13]

If you want a studio, you should look into a GW (guaranteed week) at CCV because there are already availability issues because of the cabins, this could become a problem for the 1 and 2 bedrooms especially around Christmas.

I would spend at least a week, doing research here on Disboards before you buy.

 

[The Jackal]

Let’s face the simple fact. Most DVC’ers want to stay in studios. When they make a resort with very few studios they book up fast. The problem increases with CCV due to all the points associated with the Cabins. Most people did not buy 800-1000 point contracts to stay at the cabins. They buy 100-200 point contracts. They cabins are beautiful and are a much better bargain then the Poly Bungalows. You should be fine booking at 11 months, unless it is the fall frenzy, or first 2 weeks in December. But if you wait 4-5 days after 11 months for a studio, don’t be surprised if not available. 1 bedrooms traditionally had better availability. A quick check on the booking website shows most of February gone for studios, just a day here 2 days there. But the full week is still there for 11 months. DVC will never tell you this info. If you did a tour they probably showed you could book a AKV Value room for 9 points a day. There are so few Value rooms unless you own at AKV you will probably never get a Value room. Even if you own there you will probably never get a Value studio, they are one of the most sought after room in the DVC line up. Hope this helps on your decision. CCV is a nice resort. Studios are a little small and can only sleep 4 FYI.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

Hello everyone,

Me and my wife did the Copper Creek tour over the weekend and we were blown away by the resort. I had never been in the Wilderness Lodge before. My wife was ready to buy right then but I wanted to think about it for a few days. After reading over some of the threads in this forum I have a few concerns.

Some people said there were studio availability issues at the 11th month mark due to the cabins. Is this true of the 1 and 2 bedrooms as well? We would mostly be using the 1 bedrooms.

I just want to make sure I would be able to get a room when I need it for before I commit.

The one bedrooms at Copper creek only allow for 4 people period. This was an issue for us. Most 1 beds either have sleeping accommodations for 5 or allow for you to bring the extra bedding for your 5th person-- not Copper Creek. For families with 3 kids Copper Creek is a bad buy for home resort.

 

[The Jackal]

The one bedrooms at Copper creek only allow for 4 people period. This was an issue for us. Most 1 beds either have sleeping accommodations for 5 or allow for you to bring the extra bedding for your 5th person-- not Copper Creek. For families with 3 kids Copper Creek is a bad buy for home resort.

Good point, forgot 1 bedrooms also only sleep 4. The new Disney Riviera Resort DRR sleeps 5 in a deluxe studio and 5 in a 1 bedroom. It includes all beds and linens.

 

[Matty B13]

The one bedrooms at Copper creek only allow for 4 people period. This was an issue for us. Most 1 beds either have sleeping accommodations for 5 or allow for you to bring the extra bedding for your 5th person-- not Copper Creek. For families with 3 kids Copper Creek is a bad buy for home resort.

Not that we were going to buy at CCV, but this was a huge deal for our family of 5, means using a lot more points for a 2 bedroom unit.

Point Charts and Unit Type/Size are a huge part of the decision process, OP.

 

[kniquy]

Some people said there were studio availability issues at the 11th month mark due to the cabins. Is this true of the 1 and 2 bedrooms as well? We would mostly be using the 1 bedrooms.

Very wise to come here first to educate yourself on all your options and aspects of DVC.

I don't think on the tours they boast about the booking issues for owners at 11 months. Something else to keep in mind is that if you eventually end up with a party of 5+ then you will have to get a 2BR at CCV = more points. I feel that is a huge negative for that resort - studios and 1BR only accommodate 4, so if your family grows then you will be short points if you need a larger villa. Just something to consider.

The new riviera resort the studio and 1BR accommodate 5 - so a huge plus for buying into a new resort. But the caution with Riviera is that they are imposing restrictions for resale buyers which are pretty significant and will likely impact the value of resale on Riviera -- why does this matter to you? Well, as a buyer you want to know that if you needed to sell your contract at some point down the road (which many, many people do) it will retain some value. Just a thought to consider in your purchase decision.

Keep reading and asking questions here. there is a wealth of knowledge here on the DVC boards.


Also, the Dis is also doing some DVC youtube videos, so you could listen to. This might help provide you with more information going forward with your purchase.

 

[Matty B13]

The other thing about Riviera is that the Point Charts are much higher a 1 bedroom in Magic Season is 321/391 points, at CCV a 2 bed is 350 points with an extra bedroom.....

So lots to compute when buying in.

I really do believe in "Buy where you want to stay" above all considerations.

 

[Pyotr]

Thank you for all the info.

I’m really not interested in a week long stay. We live in the Sarasota area and like to stay at Disney for a couple days 3 or 4 times a year.

We are a family of 5, so room size may be an issue.

I’m not sure about the Rivera won’t buy without physically seeing the resort.

 

[Pyotr]

The other thing about Riviera is that the Point Charts are much higher a 1 bedroom in Magic Season is 321/391 points, at CCV a 2 bed is 350 points with an extra bedroom.....

So lots to compute when buying in.

I really do believe in "Buy where you want to stay" above all considerations.

Excellent point. On the days we would stay, there is a 6 point difference between the 1 bedroom at the Rivera vs the 2 bedroom at Copper Creek.

I didn’t notice that the when I first looked at the charts. I would rather have that extra room.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

We live in the Sarasota area and like to stay at Disney for a couple days 3 or 4 times a year.

Most of the year, you will want to be booking 11 months out. I will note that as a Florida resident, the direct benefits have lower economic value, although being able to access member events (if you have an on-site booking) may be of interest.

We are a family of 5, so room size may be an issue.

As a family of 5 at Copper Creek, you have to book a 2BR. This is a big limiter, in my opinion. You wouldn't be using a 1BR if you are traveling with 5.

 

[Philsfan77]

We bought at Copper Creek about a month ago so I've been tracking the availability and it's not great, however 2 bedrooms do seem to be available (and that is what we bought for).

I can tell you right now that from August through the 11-month booking window, there are only 2 Studio dates available (both in September) until you get to the 11month window and then you can book any day during that week (Feb 29th thru March 7th).

Deluxe Studio's with the walk-in bathroom are similar except there is a 4 day consecutive opening in September (17th-20th) and a few scattered dates in August

1-Bedrooms are pretty much wide open in August and the first half of September, there are 3 consecutive dates to start October, and then nothing open until December 28th/29th. All of February and most of January are wide open.

2-Bedrooms (Lockoffs) - are sold out with only 1 open available date from August until the 11-month booking window. All dates for the week of the booking Window are open

2-Bedrooms (Dedicated) - About half of august is available and the entire first half of September...October, November and December are sold out with the exception being November 30th...the last 2 weekends of January are available and all of February.

Hopefully this helps with your thought process and planning. I am optimistic things will even out down the road...one of the perks we got with buying when we did, is they still gave us the 2018 points that are good until 2020 after banking. When we bought in we assumed we would get 2019 points starting from when we bought (March - UY), but we actually got 2018 points with a December UY. I know its not a gift of 150 points, but in my mind it sort of was as we weren't anticipating having those points to be able to bank.

 

[MurphyL]

I own at Wilderness Lodge and have stayed there many times. I love it so much that I did end up buying copper creek but a guaranteed week because of the studio availability issues. I would only buy if you can plan 11months out or if you buy a guaranteed week. Otherwise you will be using expensive points to less desirable resorts.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thank you for all the info.

I’m really not interested in a week long stay. We live in the Sarasota area and like to stay at Disney for a couple days 3 or 4 times a year.

We are a family of 5, so room size may be an issue.

I’m not sure about the Rivera won’t buy without physically seeing the resort.

It doesn't sounds like CCV is the best match for you. I'd recommend looking at all the other resorts that allow 5 in either a studio or a 1BR to best maximize since that sounds like it is the plan. Would you be booking during the home priority period at 11 months? If you're thinking of last minute bookings it doesn't matter where you own but you might also end up frustrated if you don't have flexibility to take what's left. If you're booking at 11 months then still be aware that a lot of DVC owners bought to fully maximize their value and the cheapest of the rooms at each resort do book up more quickly. Studios, standard views, value rooms. Also any smaller category of rooms/

 

[Pyotr]

We decided to go ahead and purchase CCR.

Unfortunately my dvc sales person is off for two days.

I need to get everything signed before the wife changes her mind!

 

[rob5589]

I booked a 2 bedroom for the beginning of December at the 11 month mark and it was fully booked in under a minute. However, I was still able to secure the reservation. During the fall months it will definitely be an issue during Oct-Dec. getting what you want, but its not impossible. With that being said, CC is amazing and having the entire DVC wing in the main building is great. Also having the boat access to MK is such a bonus. So in my opinion, the pros definitely outweigh the booking issue.

 

[Jerry@dvcstore]

Yes, Copper Creek is having an issues with members not being able to get a Studio. The One Bedroom and larger don't seem to have this same issue (still tuff but not impossible). If you are looking to stay in a Studio...buyer beware. The Cabins have allowed Disney to allocate more points to sell at Copper Creek, yet most members are not booking in the Cabins due to the high cost. This means it clogs up the availability for the other size accommodations. If you are not booking at 11 months in advance for a studio...chances are low to find one with availability. That was not a very well thought out plan by Disney. I hope they learn from this issue.

 

[Bearrister]

This is a very informative thread... I’m still in the process of buying our first resale contract at Poly, but I’m already dreaming/planning of buying 75-100 direct points to get the full DVC benefits and to have points at a resort with 1-bedroom villas. I was thinking of CC, and a lot of what everyone discussed here answered a lot of my questions.

My idea was to get enough points where we can do appx week-long stays in a 1-bedroom if we either 1) bank/borrow our direct points (imagining we’d go to Poly 2 out of 3 years and the 1-bedroom/direct the other), or 2) combine it with our Poly points and book at the 7-month window (my understanding is that 1-bedrooms have pretty good availability at the 7-month window compared to studios).

I checked the thread with the expected room availability for each resort, and I know CC isn’t there yet because it’s too new. It’s good to hear that 1-bedrooms don’t have the same unavailablilty issues for resort owners at the 11-month window, but how is it at the 7-month timeframe?

 

[Brett Wyman]

Copper Creek is a studio booking nightmare even at 11 months(and hard to book at the Holidays too). Its one of my favorite resorts but I wouldn't buy CCV until that issues resolves itself. Not for 188 bucks a point.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

This is a very informative thread... I’m still in the process of buying our first resale contract at Poly, but I’m already dreaming/planning of buying 75-100 direct points to get the full DVC benefits and to have points at a resort with 1-bedroom villas. I was thinking of CC, and a lot of what everyone discussed here answered a lot of my questions.

My idea was to get enough points where we can do appx week-long stays in a 1-bedroom if we either 1) bank/borrow our direct points (imagining we’d go to Poly 2 out of 3 years and the 1-bedroom/direct the other), or 2) combine it with our Poly points and book at the 7-month window (my understanding is that 1-bedrooms have pretty good availability at the 7-month window compared to studios).

I checked the thread with the expected room availability for each resort, and I know CC isn’t there yet because it’s too new. It’s good to hear that 1-bedrooms don’t have the same unavailablilty issues for resort owners at the 11-month window, but how is it at the 7-month timeframe?

I'd not count on CCV at 7 months in general. One of the ways the studio situation may "resolve" involves people sizing up to a 1BR and shorter stays.